Mad Max: Fury Road
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Mola Rob
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If this one takes place between the first two maybe they will explain what happened to his wife since she survived the first movie.
I completely forgot about his wife surviving. I know it's a stretch but it would be nice to see Goose in some form, even if it's just a reference. I could see him as a disfigured villian.
cayman shen
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Wait...what? She did?
EDIT: On another note, a commenter on io9 made a really interesting point about Mad Max's tangled continuity and where this might fit: "Or maybe this is just part of the whole legend of Max Rockatansky - not really in or out of any kind of continuity. Just another great story about the Lone Warrior of the Wasteland. For all we know, it's a story that the Feral Kid or the Gyro Captain or Savannah Nix told other survivors." I like that. The idea that these "Max" legends are being told by future tribes/communities, and there's no real need to force them into continuity. They're loosely connected, full of contradictions and apocrypha. I LOVE this take on it. Because MM continuity is a mess!
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Laspector
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Yes, she did, I was just about to ask about that myself. The nurse says something like "she's busted up but she's going to be all right." It's only the child that died. Now, maybe she died later from complications or something, but she did indeed survive the first movie.
cayman shen
Master Member
I have seen MM maybe 30 or 40 times in the last three decades...how the hell have I missed that?! I guess because she's dead in MM2 I never put together that she lived. Now I'm curious when she succumbed to her injuries...
Solo4114
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If this is an "interquel" and is MM1.5, then I'd bet he finds the dog at the end of the film.
Everything I've seen says between MM1 and MM2. That or it's a reboot.
Admittedly, I haven't see The Fast and the Furious, but I'm guessing that's what we call "damning with faint praise."
I think the original plan for Lord Humungous was that he was supposed to be Goose, but they dropped that. Personally, if you have the kind of burns Goose had...I don't think you're surviving the apocalypse.
That's actually a REALLY cool idea. Like, he becomes some sort of hero of epics who simply has adventures. Like, a post-apocalyptic Paul Bunyan.
My recollection is that she'd survive, but she had massive internal organ damage and was basically on life support. The implication was that she was gonna be a vegetable or on a respirator for the rest of her life or something like that. It's also STRONGLY implied in MM2 that she died from her injuries.
cayman shen
Master Member
That's actually a REALLY cool idea. Like, he becomes some sort of hero of epics who simply has adventures. Like, a post-apocalyptic Paul Bunyan.
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EXACTLY. Paul Bunyan. I love it!
Laspector
Master Member
I agree also. that is a great idea! Hell, for all we know, the guy may not have ever even existed--he's just legend. or maybe the real Max never did even 1/10th of the stuff that is told about him.
I like that idea a lot.
comicguy
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About the wife surviving in Mad Max, I'm pretty sure you're suppose to assume that she died after those events taken place. At least that's how the intro of Mad Max 2 makes it seem. Like MFP 2020 mentioned already, you see Max walking passed 2 graves in the Mad Max 2 intro while the narrator is stating Max is haunted by his past.
The trailer opens with Max in a voiceover narration.... that's the first red flag.
The Shane/"Man with No Name"/Max archetype is a "man of action" - not burdened by introspective internal monologue. The Road Warrior understood this - that's why the narration is by a third party. Max is described in lore. Voiceover is a complete violation of this principle ... and is why I get the sense that this will not be the Max that some of us grew up with.
Mel as Max didn't have to explain to us that his "world was fire." He didn't even need dialogue for the first 10(?) minutes of The Road Warrior to communicate this more profoundly and poignantly through his actions and his eyes.
The Shane/"Man with No Name"/Max archetype is a "man of action" - not burdened by introspective internal monologue. The Road Warrior understood this - that's why the narration is by a third party. Max is described in lore. Voiceover is a complete violation of this principle ... and is why I get the sense that this will not be the Max that some of us grew up with.
Mel as Max didn't have to explain to us that his "world was fire." He didn't even need dialogue for the first 10(?) minutes of The Road Warrior to communicate this more profoundly and poignantly through his actions and his eyes.
Solo4114
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See, that's not exactly encouraging either.
Think of it this way. You're listening to Count Basie and his Orchestra. You notice the notes that are played. You notice the notes that AREN'T played. The piece holds together because it balances those elements by using an economy of both concepts. It's not a seven minute drum solo, it's not constant prestidigitation on the ivories. It's a balance piece that holds together because of the balance.
To me, that's what MM2 is like. It's a fantastic balance of elements, as action movies go. It's 90 minutes long (give or take a minute or two), and it's NOT wall-to-wall action. It's got slower moments in it, both with and without dialogue. Everyone remembers the end of the film, and the enormous chase sequence, but what they don't remember is the stuff that happens in between, the way that the threat of Lord Humongous is established, the way that the brutality of Max's world is demonstrated, etc. You can watch other "chase" movies like the original Stagecoach, and while it has spectacular chase sequences, it's also got plenty of setup and talking and whatnot.
You know what film was basically a 90 minute action sequence? The Transporter. And it was boring as ****. Same deal with the chase-and-kung-fu bits in The Matrix 2. These were simply bloated because they lacked effective pacing and context for the action. Not so with MM2.
I hope Miller's up to the task and the film goes well. But the notion of a movie-long chase sequence? Not really interested.
Think of it this way. You're listening to Count Basie and his Orchestra. You notice the notes that are played. You notice the notes that AREN'T played. The piece holds together because it balances those elements by using an economy of both concepts. It's not a seven minute drum solo, it's not constant prestidigitation on the ivories. It's a balance piece that holds together because of the balance.
To me, that's what MM2 is like. It's a fantastic balance of elements, as action movies go. It's 90 minutes long (give or take a minute or two), and it's NOT wall-to-wall action. It's got slower moments in it, both with and without dialogue. Everyone remembers the end of the film, and the enormous chase sequence, but what they don't remember is the stuff that happens in between, the way that the threat of Lord Humongous is established, the way that the brutality of Max's world is demonstrated, etc. You can watch other "chase" movies like the original Stagecoach, and while it has spectacular chase sequences, it's also got plenty of setup and talking and whatnot.
You know what film was basically a 90 minute action sequence? The Transporter. And it was boring as ****. Same deal with the chase-and-kung-fu bits in The Matrix 2. These were simply bloated because they lacked effective pacing and context for the action. Not so with MM2.
I hope Miller's up to the task and the film goes well. But the notion of a movie-long chase sequence? Not really interested.
comicguy
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I honestly think Miller will pull it off. From reading the reports of those who seen the screening, they said everything he did works and the movie doesn't disappoint. Of course we're all skeptical at the moment, but the trailer does look pretty awesome in my opinion. The last film was in 1985, so we're long over due for some new Max adventures. At least we got the original writer and director doing it, I'd be worry about it if someone else took over. Tom Hardy is an incredible actor also. I think he'll do the character justice, even with a few lines.
Solo4114
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I do hope so. The trailer seemed...ok. But I don't put a ton of stock in trailers, generally.
Basically, I'm hoping for:
- An entertaining film.
- Not a rehash of previous films in the franchise.
- Solid performances by the cast, and a solid story.
- The right balance of elements.
CAN that be done? Sure, but WILL it....well, that remains to be seen. I'll say this, though. For whatever reason, even if this film sucks, I doubt it'll diminish my enjoyment of the other films in the series. I can't say the same about other franchises that I love. Maybe it's the cult status of the films, maybe it's the length of time between this and the last film, maybe it's that the last film itself was kinda disappointing. But for whatever reason, I don't think I'll be fazed by this film. I suppose it also helps that a different guy is playing the role, and it's not exactly a franchise I expect will have much longevity after this film.
It has become abundantly clear between comments, leaks, trailer, etc, that this movie is NOT within the continuity of the old series. Which is fine with me.
As for the 90-minute chase . . . IMO It's a risk. Depends on how it gets handled. Either way it will probably be THE defining thing that shapes the whole movie, for better or worse.
I am more optimistic after the trailer. George Miller isn't George Lucas. He has kept making movies that still entertain audiences since the early 1980s. And he makes stuff completely outside the Mad Max genre for that matter, which is even more of a positive sign for his ability to handle MM again.
When it gets right down to it, this looks like GM has very loosely remade MM#2 and gone bigger & bolder & more expensive than ever before. It looks like he sat down to make an "ultimate" MM movie that will make MM#2 and #3 seem like more primitive creative experiments on the way to developing what we will see in 2015. I don't expect this to break new creative ground so much as be the most well-perfected movie yet in the vein of #2 and #3.
As for the 90-minute chase . . . IMO It's a risk. Depends on how it gets handled. Either way it will probably be THE defining thing that shapes the whole movie, for better or worse.
I am more optimistic after the trailer. George Miller isn't George Lucas. He has kept making movies that still entertain audiences since the early 1980s. And he makes stuff completely outside the Mad Max genre for that matter, which is even more of a positive sign for his ability to handle MM again.
When it gets right down to it, this looks like GM has very loosely remade MM#2 and gone bigger & bolder & more expensive than ever before. It looks like he sat down to make an "ultimate" MM movie that will make MM#2 and #3 seem like more primitive creative experiments on the way to developing what we will see in 2015. I don't expect this to break new creative ground so much as be the most well-perfected movie yet in the vein of #2 and #3.
Well said.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
The ultimate MM movie was already made in 1982 without a lot of money or the so called technological brilliance of today's movies. It told a totally different story than what came before and created a compelling future myth. I see no reason to screw with the continuity of the series just for the sake of making a bigger badder version of a movie that was made perfectly the first time.
Being a big MM fan I am holding out hope that this stays within the confines of the storyline we know and is not just a stand alone movie that has little or nothing to do with what came before or after. I enjoy Miller's work but he already did the chase thing in The Road Warrior with a truck and in Thunderdome with a train - did we need to see a longer version?
Also the Max we know would not stomp on a harmless lizard for no reason, what the hell is up with that bit of nonsense?
Being a big MM fan I am holding out hope that this stays within the confines of the storyline we know and is not just a stand alone movie that has little or nothing to do with what came before or after. I enjoy Miller's work but he already did the chase thing in The Road Warrior with a truck and in Thunderdome with a train - did we need to see a longer version?
Also the Max we know would not stomp on a harmless lizard for no reason, what the hell is up with that bit of nonsense?
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