***** ****** just close this thread.
It’s literally impossible to talk about Star Wars in this forum without the TLJ hate squad just interrupting and ruining everything. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, or having a difference of opinion, but you’re not responding to the topic in an earnest way. You’re just using it as a thinly connected platform to make the same complaints you make in every single Star Wars thread there is.
It’s exhausting to read, so I can only imagine it being exhuasting to live in such a butthurt and bitter existence. I was stupid to leave the SW prop forum and try to have conversations about anything else.
Thanks for ruining it.
That's not to defend Mr Webber, because I don't think you're wrong in aiming at not turning it to a TLJ-bash. But there was plenty of valid comments and on-topic suggestions in this thread that are left without any follow-up comment or discussion and the majority of your replies are aimed at him. You're basically playing tug-of-war instead of actually engaging in discussion or reacting to "on-topic" comments. So I'm not sure who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him...
That's not to defend Mr Webber, because I don't think you're wrong in aiming at not turning it to a TLJ-bash. But there was plenty of valid comments and on-topic suggestions in this thread that are left without any follow-up comment or discussion and the majority of your replies are aimed at him. You're basically playing tug-of-war instead of actually engaging in discussion or reacting to "on-topic" comments. So I'm not sure who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him...
I don't disagree with you either, not in what you said originally and not in what your intentions were. I probably should have used quotation marks where it was appropriate. I've been to the aforementioned threads too and know what you mean.If someone can point out to me where I have slammed TLJ anywhere in this thread apart from my very honest opening statement about Rian Johnson, i would love to see it. Total over reaction. Try checking out some of the comments in my threads that I have let slide without totally throwing all the toys out of the cot. Added to that some other people always seem to get their two bits in as well when its not needed.
I don't know, initially I was disappointed that TFA was an ANH rehash. I guess it was somewhat understandable that they made a safe movie. Was it too safe? Yep, no question. What it did do well is getting characters who could stand on their own feet and giving them motivations to be in the story. The prequels' biggest shortfall is that there is hardly any real character moment. They talk about all these things they've gone through but we're never shown, we're hardly compelled to feel anything for them because it's either nauseating CGI-orgy action sequence or boring flat uninteresting dialogue sequences they're in. Finn freaking out and defecting in the first act is written and directed perfectly fine to make him and his decision, feelings relatable. Seeing Rey doing her day-to-day stuff and longingly looking at the distance at the end of her day tells a story. Not the most original story, but at least something. I do think TFA missed a lot of opportunities but it also gave plenty of space to grow and branch out. I initially thought it was a really good idea to give 8 and 9 to individual filmmakers. It was then taken to another direction.Too late. The path the ST is on started with Jar Jar Abrams. Another member said a few years ago he'll do to Star Wars what he did to Star Trek, and he was right. And it ties in with what SethS said, instead of telling an original story with it's roots in the same legendary myths Jar Jar just remade ANH. It really is a reboot, he just started the same story over again, except he misses all the points of the original. He has the trappings right, the "visual cues", but without the substance.
One midichlorians were around since he wrote Star Wars because he made a thing answering questions about the universe that's in the Rinzler Making of book. Two the midichlorians are basically just antennae. The more you have, the more powerful you can be because you can access more Force power. It didn't alter the Force as being an energy field at all. I don't know why people have that big of a problem with it. They had to have a way for the Jedi to measure Force power to tell how they recruited people.
I don't know how one would define "feeling like SW". I thought the Prequels felt like SW, just a different era. I would certainly say the Sequels feel like SW, I just didn't like the direction they went in. I read waaaaay too many EU books and some you just read so you could follow along and they aren't that good. Then there are some that have "it" and work, IMO, like the Republic Commando series, pretty much any Timothy Zahn book, the Darth Bane series, and both X-Wing series. I would say that the KOTOR game, which is 4,000 years before ANH, feels like SW. I don't know if it comes down to whether you like the story or what.
This is what Rogue One flirted with too, add some greyness to the Rebel characters but I don't feel that it worked particularly well. Neither as an actual concept nor in execution. Someone was speculating at another forum about making a Game of Thrones-esque politically loaded Star Wars movie from the point of view of an imperial soldier, but I did think that this would be against the very essence of the "fairy-tale rubbish" of Star Wars.Star Wars is a simplistic yet rich coming of age morality tale.
There must be fearsome evil baddies and there must be heroes that grow to become the goodies.
You cannot have the main protagonist of a Star Wars film murdering their way through their opponents if there is any moral ambiguity - that is not appropriate for a kids film.
TLJ tried to add this moral nuance to Star Wars and it doesn't work in a kids space war film - there needs to be theatrical ethical boundaries. Myths have never reflected real life - they are metaphors and learning parables, not social commentary.
This is what Rogue One flirted with too, add some greyness to the Rebel characters but I don't feel that it worked particularly well. Neither as an actual concept nor in execution. Someone was speculating at another forum about making a Game of Thrones-esque politically loaded Star Wars movie from the point of view of an imperial soldier, but I did think that this would be against the very essence of the "fairy-tale rubbish" of Star Wars.