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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 12:49 AM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #51

    ...this damn guide is never going to come out...
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 2:18 AM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #52

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    Resin V3 or Resin Yuma?

    I need a majority rules decision before I lose my ding dang mind.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 3:00 AM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #53

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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 11:08 AM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #54

    My vote goes to resin v3.


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 12:49 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #55

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    Resin V3 or Resin Yuma?

    I need a majority rules decision before I lose my ding dang mind.
    My vote is resin, the lever on the clamp looks weird from them have to fill areas with clay in order to cast it

    No proof just my personal belief
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 1:04 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #56

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    My vote is resin, the lever on the clamp looks weird from them have to fill areas with clay in order to cast it

    No proof just my personal belief
    But V3 or Yuma?
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 1:25 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #57

    Is the prevailing wisdom still that there was only one V2?
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 1:42 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #58

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    But V3 or Yuma?
    V3 baby!
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 1:53 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #59

    @thd9791 is the Yuma nerd... curious as to his opinion! But if weíre saying itís a V3 copy, the neck is obviously smoother out to match the Yuma right?
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 2:06 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #60

    I personally believe the barge climbing saber is a resin copy of the ANH stunt sabers probably v3 since the resin clamp has the holes in it) and I think it was decorated like the V2 with gaffer tape on the neck and black on the emitter plate. It was cast when the v3 had its nipple too. I have yet to see a closer shot though

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    I'll also add it seems to have a brass neck in some shots and brown in others, so I think this is that weird obi wan color scheme.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 2:07 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #61

    thd9791 said: View Post
    I personally believe the barge climbing saber is a resin copy of the ANH stunt sabers probably v3 since the resin clamp has the holes in it) and I think it was decorated like the V2 with gaffer tape on the neck and black on the emitter plate. It was cast when the v3 had its nipple too. I have yet to see a closer shot though
    Tom am I correct that some of the V3ís are decorated like the V2 since the throne room stuff was shot prior to the sail barge? So it would make sense some of the stunts were already decorated for that?


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 2:47 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #62

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    Tom am I correct that some of the V3’s are decorated like the V2 since the throne room stuff was shot prior to the sail barge? So it would make sense some of the stunts were already decorated for that?


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    Not quite. As far as I know there was just the dueling v3 and the belt hanger V2 in that scene.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 3:39 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #63

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    Not quite. As far as I know there was just the dueling v3 and the belt hanger V2 in that scene.
    The V2 was never used to duel in ROTJ correct? It was just a belt hanger and for closeups? (Typical hero prop duties despite not being given the distinction as the hero prop?)
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 5:19 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #64

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    The V2 was never used to duel in ROTJ correct? It was just a belt hanger and for closeups? (Typical hero prop duties despite not being given the distinction as the hero prop?)
    Yes! As far as I know at least.

    The Barge climbing saber is a weird one. It's definitely a cast of the shared stunt... graflex clamp, holes in the clamp, dirty black, brown and gold paint job, etc. The neck is weirdly smooth and all I can think is they put tape on it because the emitter face resembles the V2's damaged paint job a bit: black on opposite sides of the nipple.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 8:00 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #65

    Okay you mother-scratchers...

    How's this for a time line / summary...

    1. First day of shooting in the UK, sandstorm scene. The Graflex is on hand and they realize that won't work, so somebody grabs one of the ANH shared stunts. At some point the holes were plugged, the emitter was taped in place, and a clamp card was added. Maybe right then and there, maybe back when they were used as rehearsal duelers for ESB, maybe some combination of that. This is turned over to be Luke's belt-hanger hero, and since we don't realize this until much later, we call it the V2.

    2. Once that happens, they know they need stunt versions, so they go to the other shared stunt. They don't bother touching up the Obi-Wan style paint job. It has an ESB style clamp card at this stage, and resin copies are made. It gets a dueling rod and becomes the stunt for the Throne Room scenes. At some point it's clamp card is swapped for the wide-band version we see in images. Eventually, this gets the nickname of V3.

    3. As things are prepped in California they know there will be extensive stunt work, and make use of the resin V3s. One of which is used for the second unit R2 fire-the-saber gag. They will need a short bladed stunt, so a metal version is made based on the resin dimensions. The upper neck is missing the groove, and the color scheme is similar to how the resin models are painted, which has evolved from the faux Obi-Wan paint scheme. This metal short-bladed stunt becomes known as the YUMA. At least one of the resin V3s is re-worked to better resemble the Yuma/V3 by having the nipple detail added.

    4. The California leg of shooting starts. The V2 has come along as the belt-hanger because it is probably paired with Luke's costume with wardrobe. The V3 never makes it to California and is replaced by the Yuma for the sail barge scenes.

    5. After photography wraps, they decide to do some insert shots to better sell that Luke has made his own lightsaber. The metal Yuma is cleaned up and repainted and the control box is given more detail. This saber is shot as an insert for the ISYHCANL scene. For the cave build, the box is modified to have the sliding card and blinking lights. This is how the prop remains after production is complete, and is now known as the HERO.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 8:21 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #66

    I like it a lot. I will add that I don't think the resin stunts were modified and given a nipple. The shared stunt had to have a nipple in order to have a blade. No idea when it fell out but it had to be after the molds were taken.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 8:33 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #67

    I think 1 and 5 are dead on. There are a few minor details in the middle that Iím still struggling with a little but probably for another time. Overall, I think itís way more right than wrong and a damn good summary.


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 8:35 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #68

    Also - is the wide band card on the V3 ever actually seen on-screen or is that just accepted because itís what is in the present day prop photos?


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 8:54 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #69

    thd9791 said: View Post
    I like it a lot. I will add that I don't think the resin stunts were modified and given a nipple. The shared stunt had to have a nipple in order to have a blade. No idea when it fell out but it had to be after the molds were taken.
    I'm basing this on that super detailed V3 resin we saw recently-- flat top, no nipple, ESB style card. I am assuming that is the basic resin V3 copy for ROTJ. Could be that specific one was given the flat top to be shot out of R2 (stupidly) and as you say, the nippled on the V3 itself went gone after it was done being used as a duel stunt.


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    I think 1 and 5 are dead on. There are a few minor details in the middle that I’m still struggling with a little but probably for another time. Overall, I think it’s way more right than wrong and a damn good summary.
    Ohhhh no. Spill it. I ain't publishing this damn guide if there's hold outs!

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    Also - is the wide band card on the V3 ever actually seen on-screen or is that just accepted because it’s what is in the present day prop photos?
    Very good question. Again, looking at the detailed resin, I almost wonder if the card we accept as the norm on the V3 was added when it went on to be a museum piece.

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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:09 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #70

    SethS said: View Post
    I'm basing this on that super detailed V3 resin we saw recently-- flat top, no nipple, ESB style card. I am assuming that is the basic resin V3 copy for ROTJ. Could be that specific one was given the flat top to be shot out of R2 (stupidly) and as you say, the nippled on the V3 itself went gone after it was done being used as a duel stunt.




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    Very good question. Again, looking at the detailed resin, I almost wonder if the card we accept as the norm on the V3 was added when it went on to be a museum piece.

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    Well, I tend to think it was added later - only because Iíve spent a long time looking over the ROTJ sabers today. In the shot of Luke standing over Vader, I *think* this is the V3, it looks more like a regular clamp card and maybe even inching closer to what the Hero card looks like. And although it could be elsewhere, that thing is so damn ugly I feel like it would be hard not to notice.

    As far as the other stuff - Iím hesitant to even bring it up cause itís very likely Iím just wrong and mixed up., but Iím slightly suspicious there wasnít a second V2 (I feel like I should run and hide after saying that) and Iím also wondering if there may have been another stunt saber in the throne room scene that is different from the V3 and maybe ended up at Yuma. But a lot of this may be explained by resin stunts? Thatís where Iím getting a little fouled up.


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:16 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #71

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    Also - is the wide band card on the V3 ever actually seen on-screen or is that just accepted because itís what is in the present day prop photos?


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    I believe that is just tape over the circuit board
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:19 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #72

    I also dont think we can rule out the wired resin stunt as not having a nipple. The nipple could have easily been used as a pour spout and cut off flat with the emitter.

    This would explain the resin stunt on the side of the sail barge having a nipple and the wired resin stunt not

    Just again my thinking of it, no proof this actually happened but makes me always say

    ďJust because we canít see it, doesnít mean itís not there..Ē referring to the nipple


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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:24 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #73

    Can I just say, as an outsider looking in, this research is very fascinating and I'm learning a lot about my favorite lightsaber.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:31 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #74

    Oh great! The birth of a new and improved card.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Dec 26, 2017, 9:43 PM - Re: Thick traces on PCBs #75

    I think that wired cast let loose the secret of what may have been in the Shared Stunt (or v3) clamp during production: a card like the ESB graflex.

    That saber was incredibly re-decorated before it's public travels. You can see the brush strokes on the windvane covering up the vintage paint job. The black on the undersides of the emitter are part of the original paint too I think.

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