A L I E N FIVE Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie
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Mr Webber
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The film is the bedrock foundation. Games and comics are the cinematic equivalent of DLC.
I dont consider Alien Vs Predator canon in the slightest sense. They amount to nothing more than making a new Superman movie, giving him blonde hair, blue eyes, calling him Superguy and making his planet of origin Krapton.
Everyone of the Alien series has a direct connection to each other regardless of what you think of their quality so if you want to completely remove TWO of those films for just the sake of *change*, at the very least the instigator of that change has a responsibility to express to the millions of people who have followed that series with some semblance of information why that change is occurring, minimum.
Saying that you have seen great things about NB`s venture carries as much weight as me saying that I have seen things about Alien Awakenings and gee, its mind blowing. Thats what I was saying there.
According to you, for you. Others feel differently. Disney / Lucas has an entire division dedicating to telling us things in their new comics, games, and books actually "did happen" - whether or not you or I or anyone tells them, "that's not really canon." Hellboy fans may consider the comics canon. LOTR fans the books. Tomb Raider fans the games.
And I don't consider Alien 3 canon. I don't need it to be. It's a personal choice.
Fact or opinion?
Whether or not it carries any weight with you is completely immaterial to me. While I have zero ego, what I do have is over two decades of working in film / tv and at least 15 years of working on projects for Fox. What did you think of the Awakenings script? I wasn't a huge fan.
As others have noted, you seem... "huffy." Just because you want something to be true or fact, about canon, or what filmmakers owe you, is intellectually dishonest, and doesn't actually, in fact, make it so.
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Literally no idea what you're talking about.
Mr Webber
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Obviously not, I dont know where you came to the conclusion that I was having a go at you about you seeing some preliminary work from NB. I was simply pointing out that it doesnt help me to understand why he wants to make the film. If you shared some of that knowledge, maybe it would. There was zero reference to anyones ego.
I'm still completely lost by your Knights of Ren comment, can you clarify? I don't recall working on, or commenting on any such project. Did I miss something?
Neill discusses why he wants to make the film around the 0:58 mark here:
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I don't quite understand the Knights of Ren comment. Was Knights of Ren a DLC thing?
Of course. But you said, "Saying that you have seen great things about NB`s venture carries as much weight as me saying that I have seen things about Alien Awakenings and gee, its mind blowing" - what I was saying was it doesn't bother me if it carries weight with you (or anyone) - that I don't have an ego about it. I'm just some guy on the internet. If the Last Jedi taught me anything, it's the risk/reward for engaging with other "fans" online really has nothing much to offer beyond diminishing returns (and that's not directed at you, just my own observation on online fandom).
joberg
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The only "beef" I have with the first Alien is that Scott revealed the beast...that, for me, was a big mistake! You loose a lot of mystery for it. If he had kept it in the dark, with a few short/fast close ups of teeth or hands/tail, shadows, sounds, that would've been way more scarier than the original movie.
Do you know how the Boogie Man looks like? Nope! Now, as I said before, it's all about "types" of creatures, hardware and ways to birth the Alien and ways to kill them, or kill the humans.
No more mystery there.:rolleyes
Do you know how the Boogie Man looks like? Nope! Now, as I said before, it's all about "types" of creatures, hardware and ways to birth the Alien and ways to kill them, or kill the humans.
No more mystery there.:rolleyes
CWDevine
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You want an Alien 5 story? Here you go: https://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/05/27/genesis/
Mr Webber
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I`m not buyin it for one minute. I think he`s playing the old " I`ve moved on" card now in the hope that DisFox will have to beg him to make the movie when they finally decide to go with it. The master at work. Too cynical? Dont blame me, blame Hollywood.
From the video posted at #668
Hmmm, that just somehow makes me feel uncomfortable. I ve heard that before from others and they totally screwed with it and turned it upside down. Cough Rian Johnson cough.
He should do a tad more research, for better or worse Alien 3 and 4 are part of that franchise last time I checked.
>INSERT DROPS MIC GIF HERE<...No, seriously, I dont know how to do it.
From the video posted at #668
Hmmm, that just somehow makes me feel uncomfortable. I ve heard that before from others and they totally screwed with it and turned it upside down. Cough Rian Johnson cough.
He should do a tad more research, for better or worse Alien 3 and 4 are part of that franchise last time I checked.
>INSERT DROPS MIC GIF HERE<...No, seriously, I dont know how to do it.
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Axlotl
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In my head-canon 3 and 4 are Ripley's hypersleep dreams. They never happened.
Whereas Prometheus and Covenant are just 2 more examples of directors not understanding their own films...
NB's vision is pretty much what I've wanted to see since I was 15.
Kinda sad that I'll probably never see it.
Whereas Prometheus and Covenant are just 2 more examples of directors not understanding their own films...
NB's vision is pretty much what I've wanted to see since I was 15.
Kinda sad that I'll probably never see it.
Yup.
So David created the alien eggs on the engineer planet only 10 years before the events of Alien - where they were discovered by the Nostromo crew and described as "fossilized."
So many contradictions.
I agree. His films have an appeal because its a world that is strange but just familiar enough. In other words Johannesburg, or Joberg.
Keycube
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Re: Neil Blomkamp's A L I E N movie
Sorry, I know this is an old post, but this is so true, and just doesn't seem to resonate as much anymore with filmmaking; how a small, claustrophobic setting with a small cast and limited set pieces really make a suspense/horror movie hit home. It feels like a natural extension of that whole "The walls are closing in" vibe, that's hard to relate to with a lot of expanse and motion and "stuff" going on everywhere. I know I'm probably in the minority with this, but it's what I thought made The Blair Witch Project effective; it feels very small, and draws you in accordingly.
The only thing IMO that keeps Alien from being an absolutely perfectly shot film, is when Dallas is caught in the ductwork and the alien does the whole "Gotcha!" thing. It's laughably silly on multiple viewings, and we never should have seen it at all, just heard Dallas' screams.
Sorry, I know this is an old post, but this is so true, and just doesn't seem to resonate as much anymore with filmmaking; how a small, claustrophobic setting with a small cast and limited set pieces really make a suspense/horror movie hit home. It feels like a natural extension of that whole "The walls are closing in" vibe, that's hard to relate to with a lot of expanse and motion and "stuff" going on everywhere. I know I'm probably in the minority with this, but it's what I thought made The Blair Witch Project effective; it feels very small, and draws you in accordingly.
The only thing IMO that keeps Alien from being an absolutely perfectly shot film, is when Dallas is caught in the ductwork and the alien does the whole "Gotcha!" thing. It's laughably silly on multiple viewings, and we never should have seen it at all, just heard Dallas' screams.
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