Worst Costumes and Props

[Ham Salad]

Worst costume...pretty much anything from the new BSG. Horrible looking stuff.
The awful red nazi outfits from WRATH OF KHAN...totally inappropriate for STAR TREK.

Ditto the corny pseudo western junk used in firefly. Costumer appears to have emptied out
one of those 'old timey' photo boutiques, and replaced missing items with thrift store items.

Worst prop...probably the gutted out soldering irons used as sonic pistols in THE STARLOST.
Tied with any gun from firefly: oh, yeah, let's use obsolete looking slug throwers in the future. Right.
Why not just have them use flintlocks while you're at it.

 

[Mr Fett]

oh, yeah, let's use obsolete looking slug throwers in the future. Right.
Why not just have them use flintlocks while you're at it.

Tusken Raider rifles in Star Wars were slug throwers in a blaster universe.

 

[Bryancd]

And the winner is.....

Man, you got me with that one! :lol

 

[pennausamike]

Worst costume...
SNIP
Ditto the corny pseudo western junk used in firefly.
Costumer appears to have emptied out
one of those 'old timey' photo boutiques,
and replaced missing items with thrift store items.

Worst prop...
SNIP
Tied with any gun from firefly: oh, yeah, let's use obsolete looking slug throwers in the future. Right.
Why not just have them use flintlocks while you're at it.

I have to say you are wrong because the Firefly costumes and weapons
totally support the creative vision behind the series.
You are certainly entitled to dislike that vision,
but it's not right to fault the costumes and props that very successfully presented that vision.
The discussion of the appropriatness of slug-throwers in the Firefly 'verse is a topic
outside of badly executed costumes and props.

Mike

 

[Raffles]

But reusing the starship troopers costumes was just lazy.

 

[Darth Mule]

I have to say you are wrong because the Firefly costumes and weapons
totally support the creative vision behind the series.
You are certainly entitled to dislike that vision,
but it's not right to fault the costumes and props that very successfully presented that vision.
The discussion of the appropriatness of slug-throwers in the Firefly 'verse is a topic
outside of badly executed costumes and props.

Mike

I agree. As a designer myself, I feel that the costumes, props, sets, pretty much the whole production design was an excellent reflection of the idea of the new frontier. It was, as a whole a very well visualized concept.

 

[Mr Fett]

But reusing the starship troopers costumes was just lazy.

You referring to Firefly or the Planet of the Apes?

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

Ditto the corny pseudo western junk used in firefly. Costumer appears to have emptied out
one of those 'old timey' photo boutiques, and replaced missing items with thrift store items.

Tied with any gun from firefly: oh, yeah, let's use obsolete looking slug throwers in the future. Right.
Why not just have them use flintlocks while you're at it.

God it's like you're a mind reader. Bingo brother.

 

[Ham Salad]

Tusken Raider rifles in Star Wars were slug throwers in a blaster universe.

Maybe they LOOKED like slug throwers...but I seem to remember them throwing blaster bolts whenever they were fired.
I don't mind the idea that aliens would produces weapons that might call to mind wierd designs from the past, but to work like them as well...

that's just plain silly.

 

[Ham Salad]

I have to say you are wrong because the Firefly costumes and weapons
totally support the creative vision behind the series.

Sure.

After all, if the creative vision behind the series was 'cornball western in space', certianly that was supported.

At any rate, the costumes and props looked amateurish and unconvincing.

I'm pretty sure if you accept the idea that somehow anachronisms from the distant past will somehow reappear for no particular reason in the future,
you'd have to say I'm wrong...but since that's really an unlikely idea, I'd have to say you're willfully suspending logic and rationality here because you like this show.

 

[Ham Salad]

I agree. As a designer myself, I feel that the costumes, props, sets, pretty much the whole production design was an excellent reflection of the idea of the new frontier..

Sure, and that 'new frontier' should look exactly like the OLD frontier in the 1800's.

On earth.


By that logic, surely the apollo astronauts should have been wearing pantaloons and slashed doublets.

 

[electric jay]

Sure, and that 'new frontier' should look exactly like the OLD frontier in the 1800's.

On earth.


By that logic, surely the apollo astronauts should have been wearing pantaloons and slashed doublets.

I think it did a pretty decent job of representing the next-to-worst possible future. Like, Star Trek is the best possible future where we all have phaser guns and everybody looks awesome in Spandex, and I dunno...The Road Warrior is the worst possible future where everything just doesn't work anymore, including people and bullets. Firefly is closer to TRW on the scale of possibel futures...desolate (technologically speaking) but not depressingly so.
if that makes sense.

 

[Darth Mule]

Sure.

After all, if the creative vision behind the series was 'cornball western in space', certianly that was supported.

At any rate, the costumes and props looked amateurish and unconvincing.

I'm pretty sure if you accept the idea that somehow anachronisms from the distant past will somehow reappear for no particular reason in the future,
you'd have to say I'm wrong...but since that's really an unlikely idea, I'd have to say you're willfully suspending logic and rationality here because you like this show.

Anachronisms from the past DO reappear for no reason in the distant future. I seem to remember scrunchies and the leggings of the 80s reappearing big time in women's fashion a couple of years ago. Not distant enough? In the early 1800s, the Elizabethan ruff (circa 1560) reappeared in women's fashion, not to mention the fact that the dresses from the Empire period itself were entirely based on ancient Greek garb. So not only have I said you're wrong, I've proven it. I'd have to say that you're the one willfully suspending logic and rationality here because you DON'T like the show. Which is your right, and you are entitled to your opinion, but it is just that. An opinion. And when you go making sweeping generalizations without the argument to back them up, it doesn't add any validity to your claim.

Sure, and that 'new frontier' should look exactly like the OLD frontier in the 1800's.

On earth.


By that logic, surely the apollo astronauts should have been wearing pantaloons and slashed doublets.

Another misinformed statement. Do you even know what 1800s fashion looked like? The production design in Firefly was heavily influenced by the old western aesthetic, but by no means did it look "exactly" like it. There was a fair mixture of modern, old western, and semi-futuristic at play.

Also... Earth IS where the humans in this story are from (or descended from).

And what the heck do pantaloons and doublets have to do with astronauts? Is this some failed attempt at tying the Renaissance to the space age?

As far as the technology not being up to your standards... Electric Jay makes a good point. As I understand it in the exposition to the series, things haven't exactly been great since humankind left Earth. Civil wars, infighting, pestilence, and poverty tend to have a stifling effect on technological advances. Besides. There is no rule that all Sci-Fi and futurism must have lasers.

I think you're just angry because someone disagreed with you, and you want to start a fight.

 

[Bronson BB]

Ham Salad, you are a hater.
I've seen you spreadin' it on this board before.
This was a fun little thread until you felt the need to post in spite where all before you did so with levity or incredulity.

Everyone else;
Stop feeding the Troll, please.
This will be my only post regarding it.

 

[Bronson BB]

Nothing wrong with string vests

:eek

Hellz, yeah!
I'll put up with a few guys in them silly things if it means the women are in `em too!

 

[Ham Salad]

Anachronisms from the past DO reappear for no reason in the distant future. I seem to remember scrunchies and the leggings of the 80s reappearing big time in women's fashion a couple of years ago.

That's not from the distant past. Sorry, you have to go back 100 years for this issue, at least.

In the early 1800s, the Elizabethan ruff (circa 1560) reappeared in women's fashion,

It did in high costume. It did not reappear in ordinary clothes.
If you assume that the firefly crew were high fashion models then you have a point.

So not only have I said you're wrong, I've proven it.

No, you've just proved me right again by totally taking the idea out of context . What you've proven is that you will go pretty far in making excuses for a show you like even though it's clearly really bad.

Another misinformed statement. Do you even know what 1800s fashion looked like?

Pretty much, yes. I collect costumes, and I have several from that period.

And what the heck do pantaloons and doublets have to do with astronauts? .

Exactly as much as western outfits and le Mat pistols do with the future and science fiction.

Which was my point: the western outfits are so anachronistic and generally absurd that they destroy the suspension of disbelief.

STAR WARS portrayed the frontier type of garb too...but they at least filed off the serial numbers so it wasn't rubbing your nose in the unreality of it all the time.

It's been done , and done better. Firefly had lousy production
design (among other things).

>Besides. There is no rule that all Sci-Fi and futurism must have lasers.

No, they don't, I agree. However, are you trying to say that slug throwers and lasers are the only possible options?

Try to have some imagination here.

That's what makes GOOD production design: IMAGINATION. CREATIVITY.

If you want, we might discuss better alternatives.

 

[Ham Salad]

Ham Salad, you are a hater.

No, I just have an opinion. So do you.

There are lots of things I like. I LOVE UFO, for example...and you might notice that I didn't make all sorts of personal attacks on the people criticising it here, because they make some valid points (besides, THAT would be trolling).

I also might point out that Mrs. Anderson, while she came up with some rather impractical looking stuff at times, did in fact manage to predict some fashion trends with eerie precision: the whacky hair colors (purple, for example), that became popular in the late '80s and 90's. She had people running around in leisure suits 15 years before they became fashionable.

This was a fun little thread until you felt the need to post in spite .

No, it is a fun thread and will continue to be as long as YOU don't make it personal. It's not about me. Stop trolling.

I admit it, I don't like firefly and the absurd production design is part of why I don't like it.

I do not agree that the production design in it was good, is defendable in any way, or worked at all for the show.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Sean Bradley]

Moving right along...


I present you:

Barbarella, queen of goofy, useless gun stocks.

 

[Megamicrofish]

pic working now

 

[Birdie]

I don't mind the idea that aliens would produces weapons that might call to mind wierd designs from the past, but to work like them as well...

that's just plain silly.

So if the LeMat with a few bolt on greeblies was firing laser bolts instead of bullets, it would be as cool as a Mauser with a few bolt on greeblies firing laser bolts?

'Cos the latter kinda looks sillier to me.

It seems you don't like the props because you don't buy into the concept. That makes the concept bad (in your opinion), not the prop design, since the props reflect the conceit of the show perfectly, and are designed and engineered superbly. That isn't what this thread is about - props that are shoddily conceived and realised.