He was NOT on life support, he had a nasal cannula which gives very low amount of oxygen and was being monitored. There was NO life support.
walking dead.. was shane really the victim?
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He was NOT on life support, he had a nasal cannula which gives very low amount of oxygen and was being monitored. There was NO life support.
Kord Industries
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This is really the beauty of The Walking Dead. The circumstances are so dire that people do things that, under any other circumstances would be enough to condemn them as monsters.
Was Shane a victim? Yes. But in the world they all inhabit, who isn't?
Was Shane a victim? Yes. But in the world they all inhabit, who isn't?
rodneyfaile
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Anyone can be a great person when times are good, but how we treat each other when times are tough is who we really are.
Kerr Avon
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So they felt that they needed to give him oxygen, that makes it a form of life support.
Lighten up Francis.
JD
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That's like saying "I gave him a candy bar, which is food, which supports life - therefore, he was on life support." It might be true, but it's stretching the truth.
JD
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Shane is not a victim. He got involved with his best friends wife and his best friend came back - deal with it.
I never thought the television program dealt with Shane properly. The comic got it so very right and dealt with it the way I thought season one of the program should have... it would've been so much more a perfect way to end season one.
I never thought the television program dealt with Shane properly. The comic got it so very right and dealt with it the way I thought season one of the program should have... it would've been so much more a perfect way to end season one.
I just read the first 12 issues of the comic, and Shane was not a victim. In the book he's angry, jealous, and just snaps. Carl ends up putting him down when he tries to kill Rick. His turn to the dark side was much faster in the book.
First time checking this thread again... so far, I'm liking Tyreese, so maybe this show can rebuild itself without Shane. I absolutely do not deny Shane made mistakes. Really, it's like Pearl Harbor in a sense. I can't remember their names, yet the one friend thought the other friend died overseas, so he's the one to deliver the bad news to his friend's girlfriend. Could They have waited a little longer? perhaps, yet I understand (despite the fact I'm still a virgin,) sometimes people get intimate to cope with stress. I don't fault Lori or Shane for that. And come on, the wiki, the actors and the producers have all practically said it..... SHANE THOUGHT RICK WAS DEAD. We saw the episode very clearly. There was no denying Shane didn't know he was alive. Yeah, he pointed the gun at Rick while Dale watched, yet the guy came to his senses again. Lori kept giving Shane mixed signals.
Lori: "YOU STAY AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY!"
Shane: "I made my mistakes, so I think I should just leave the group."
Lori: "YOU'RE LEAVING? THE NERVE OF YOU!"
(after Shane shoots another man so Carl can live)
Lori: "please stay Shane."
Shane: "do you really mean it?"
Lori: "yes."
(a few episodes later, Rick and Shane have their disagreements, yet Lori again spits on Shane for no apparent reason)
Lori: "even if you're the father, you will have no part of it's life!"
At this point, Lori starts being pushy, having Glenn and Maggie do her errands, risking their lives for abortion pills she decides to puke up, and makes an enemy of Andrea, not to mention she can't keep up with her own damn son enough as it is. "WHERE'S CARL?!" Off stealing Daryl's gun no less than twice, and going off into the woods to mess with a zombie with NO PARENTAL SUPERVISION! It's a wonder he didn't end up like Sophia, the way she watches him, With Rick not being that much better. For some reason, Carl was comfortable coming clean to Shane about it and not with Rick first. Well anyway, Lori goes to get Rick from town, and instead of asking Dale or Tdog to accompany her, she drives herself and crashes while trying to avoid someone in the road who was already dead. Shane goes out to get her because she doesn't need to be out there anyway and goes to get her for her own safety, and..... she gets angry at him and asks Rick to kill him. Well, the episode 18 miles out, Rick and Shane have their fight, and They get all that energy out of their systems and relieve the stress They have with each other. After all is said and done, Rick tells Shane to forget Lori. She's HIS wife, and he needs to accept that, which he finally does. Rick tells Lori he made sure it won't be a problem anymore. By this point, Shane and Rick are still a little tense with each other, yet They most likely would have gotten over it with time. Yet Lori has to talk to Shane. COME ON LORI, Shane is very unstable at this point. Stay silent and leave it alone. Nope. She just has to go talk to him. "Yes Shane, I really did have feelings for you." You know the rest.
As for the final confrontation with Rick, did he intend to kill Rick? I'm going to have to say, probably. Yet when it came time to pull the trigger, could he do it?
'Walking Dead': Jon Bernthal talks 'Better Angels' shocker | Inside TV | EW.com
Q: The sense I got during that final scene was that Shane is processing like 10 million different things at once and trying to make sense of it all. He’s thinking about his relationship with Rick, his relationship with Lori and Carl, the safety of the group. In terms of Shane’s mental state at that point, what were you trying to get across?
A: There’s a whole part of the character that I think some people may or may not pick up on, but I think there’s a part of Shane himself that knows he is no longer fit to be among the people. He knows how much of a danger he is. He knows now he’s killed yet another human being, and I think a part of this is him really spurring and challenging and getting Rick to step up and encompass what Shane has and take Shane out. I think there’s a suicidal flavor. There’s a flavor there that’s really saying, “Come on, man, I’m challenging you to be the man that’s fit to raise the woman I love and the child I love and my child on the way. Come on and step up, raise your gun.” And there’s a part of him that so desperately wants Rick to be that man, and when Rick finally does it, there’s an element of some sort of relief.
The Walking Dead - Did Shane want Rick to kill him? - YouTube
I think at this point, whatever was going through his head at the end is just up to our own imagination.
Lori: "YOU STAY AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY!"
Shane: "I made my mistakes, so I think I should just leave the group."
Lori: "YOU'RE LEAVING? THE NERVE OF YOU!"
(after Shane shoots another man so Carl can live)
Lori: "please stay Shane."
Shane: "do you really mean it?"
Lori: "yes."
(a few episodes later, Rick and Shane have their disagreements, yet Lori again spits on Shane for no apparent reason)
Lori: "even if you're the father, you will have no part of it's life!"
At this point, Lori starts being pushy, having Glenn and Maggie do her errands, risking their lives for abortion pills she decides to puke up, and makes an enemy of Andrea, not to mention she can't keep up with her own damn son enough as it is. "WHERE'S CARL?!" Off stealing Daryl's gun no less than twice, and going off into the woods to mess with a zombie with NO PARENTAL SUPERVISION! It's a wonder he didn't end up like Sophia, the way she watches him, With Rick not being that much better. For some reason, Carl was comfortable coming clean to Shane about it and not with Rick first. Well anyway, Lori goes to get Rick from town, and instead of asking Dale or Tdog to accompany her, she drives herself and crashes while trying to avoid someone in the road who was already dead. Shane goes out to get her because she doesn't need to be out there anyway and goes to get her for her own safety, and..... she gets angry at him and asks Rick to kill him. Well, the episode 18 miles out, Rick and Shane have their fight, and They get all that energy out of their systems and relieve the stress They have with each other. After all is said and done, Rick tells Shane to forget Lori. She's HIS wife, and he needs to accept that, which he finally does. Rick tells Lori he made sure it won't be a problem anymore. By this point, Shane and Rick are still a little tense with each other, yet They most likely would have gotten over it with time. Yet Lori has to talk to Shane. COME ON LORI, Shane is very unstable at this point. Stay silent and leave it alone. Nope. She just has to go talk to him. "Yes Shane, I really did have feelings for you." You know the rest.
As for the final confrontation with Rick, did he intend to kill Rick? I'm going to have to say, probably. Yet when it came time to pull the trigger, could he do it?
'Walking Dead': Jon Bernthal talks 'Better Angels' shocker | Inside TV | EW.com
Q: The sense I got during that final scene was that Shane is processing like 10 million different things at once and trying to make sense of it all. He’s thinking about his relationship with Rick, his relationship with Lori and Carl, the safety of the group. In terms of Shane’s mental state at that point, what were you trying to get across?
A: There’s a whole part of the character that I think some people may or may not pick up on, but I think there’s a part of Shane himself that knows he is no longer fit to be among the people. He knows how much of a danger he is. He knows now he’s killed yet another human being, and I think a part of this is him really spurring and challenging and getting Rick to step up and encompass what Shane has and take Shane out. I think there’s a suicidal flavor. There’s a flavor there that’s really saying, “Come on, man, I’m challenging you to be the man that’s fit to raise the woman I love and the child I love and my child on the way. Come on and step up, raise your gun.” And there’s a part of him that so desperately wants Rick to be that man, and when Rick finally does it, there’s an element of some sort of relief.
The Walking Dead - Did Shane want Rick to kill him? - YouTube
I think at this point, whatever was going through his head at the end is just up to our own imagination.
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HeartBlade
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Shane is definitely has alot of mixed interpretations in the tv show version of the Walking Dead. Shane suffered from both really bad luck and falling in love with a really bad woman in a really bad time although it is arguable that in such a terrible new world, people's morals easily disintegrate. I think the first two seasons of the Walking Dead tried to focus on the breakdown of human morality when our modern comforts collapse and what we took for granted is now gone.
I dont know if Shane and Lori were sleeping before the world went to hell, literally, although this puts one huge spin on Shane's character. Is he really such a backstabber that he would sleep with his partner's wife? Shane's character is really defined by his relationship with Rick as he is always his number two guy. In the force, Rich was the Sheriff and the leader and Shane probably respected and looked up to him. Upon the apocalypse, Shane, believing Rick was dead, took it upon himself to replace Rick by looking after Lori and Carl, becoming the new leader for the band of survivors in season 1. It would be cool to see a prequel of how Shane took leadership as it was probably a slow process with him leveraging his past authority as an officer to become the leader as the survivors struggle to fixate on some sort of authority figure. Shane essentially becomes number one in this society so ofcourse he is more than a little upset when Rick literally comes back from the dead (in his mind) to usurp his position and everything he worked for, pushing him back down to number 2.
If you see the interaction, Shane is clearly treated as the number 2 guy. Rick makes the decisions and the people look to Rick. Shane busted his ass protecting everyone and he loses it just because Rick comes back in. Lori also doesnt help at all, giving mixed signals and being an overall ***** to him. Shane is a villain because he does snap and break the moral codes that ties humanity together and breaks the trust and ties that are needed to survive. He did do wrong sleeping with his friend's wife, killing others Otis to survive (and save Carl), and generally make bad decisions that alienated him from the group. But his downfall is accentuated by his circumstances in addition to his insecurities.
Now, could Shane and Rick have settled things had Lori just shut up and did what she had to do (look after her son, help others out in the camp, etc?) Maybe but it would depend on Shane and his ability to address his insecurities. Given that he wanted to leave since mid season 2, it is unlikely they would have ever reconciled.
I dont know if Shane and Lori were sleeping before the world went to hell, literally, although this puts one huge spin on Shane's character. Is he really such a backstabber that he would sleep with his partner's wife? Shane's character is really defined by his relationship with Rick as he is always his number two guy. In the force, Rich was the Sheriff and the leader and Shane probably respected and looked up to him. Upon the apocalypse, Shane, believing Rick was dead, took it upon himself to replace Rick by looking after Lori and Carl, becoming the new leader for the band of survivors in season 1. It would be cool to see a prequel of how Shane took leadership as it was probably a slow process with him leveraging his past authority as an officer to become the leader as the survivors struggle to fixate on some sort of authority figure. Shane essentially becomes number one in this society so ofcourse he is more than a little upset when Rick literally comes back from the dead (in his mind) to usurp his position and everything he worked for, pushing him back down to number 2.
If you see the interaction, Shane is clearly treated as the number 2 guy. Rick makes the decisions and the people look to Rick. Shane busted his ass protecting everyone and he loses it just because Rick comes back in. Lori also doesnt help at all, giving mixed signals and being an overall ***** to him. Shane is a villain because he does snap and break the moral codes that ties humanity together and breaks the trust and ties that are needed to survive. He did do wrong sleeping with his friend's wife, killing others Otis to survive (and save Carl), and generally make bad decisions that alienated him from the group. But his downfall is accentuated by his circumstances in addition to his insecurities.
Now, could Shane and Rick have settled things had Lori just shut up and did what she had to do (look after her son, help others out in the camp, etc?) Maybe but it would depend on Shane and his ability to address his insecurities. Given that he wanted to leave since mid season 2, it is unlikely they would have ever reconciled.
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