The Junkyard is a mess.

[Rylo]

Okay guys. I appreciate all that you do; I really do.

I know being a mod is a thankless position and I don't want this thread to be misconstrued as anything more than a constructive attempt to lobby for one simple change.

Having said that, the Junkyard is a mess; it's just all over the place.

Adding all these abbreviations to the titles do little to help one navigate through the maze of crap that is listed there on a daily basis. We are a prop forum. What is wrong with having one area that simply has props and nothing but props?

I know a few will argue that the non-prop items will get less exposure if they're stuck in a generic area, but that's exactly the point. We are a "hobby specific forum." We have no obligation to host everything for everyone...We do props. Simple as that.

I think I speak for a number of collectors and certainly builders who don't enjoy wading though everything from comic books to action figures just to get to what we're all here for in the first place. Props

You certainly wouldn't find action figures in the sales section of a lunchbox forum or visa versa. One would consider the other off-topic.

Why then must we scroll through so many items that have zero to do with our hobby?

I'm simply suggesting dialing things in a little. Let's stop trying to be all things to all people and focus on what we do.

Building and collecting props.

-Rylo

 

[Delmustator]

I'd suggest adding some child boards to segregate stuff into logical areas. It's relatively simple as long as the vBulletin board software supports them. Most of the websites I build for non-profits do this.

The flip side of that is whomever is assigned to moderate those sections will be busy for a while until all members get a handle on posting threads in the proper places. So the child boards MUST be defined specifically for what you want to go into them. It can make the JY section look a little more cluttered initially but works itself out over time.

2 cents.....

P.S. I'm on the board on a daily basis if mod help is needed in this section. -Del <-- raises hand..

 

[defstartrooper]

Not everyone takes any notice of the prefixes anyway and they haven't done since day one even though the criteria are listed right at the very top of the forum.

Still see FS threads where people are not listing prices and are asking for private offers via PM.
Should be listed FA and all offers should be public according to the rules.

Still see FS threads which are for non prop items.
Should be listed NP.

Still see INT threads which are now fully blown asking for money threads.
Should be ammended to FS.

The point is the system would work ok if people used it as it is supposed to be used.
I don't know about anyone else but i don't even bother using the filters anymore because i'm still confronted with auction and non prop threads even if i do use the FS filter, it's just a waste of time.

 

[JoeR]

I agree, this is a prop forum, so I would like to see props for sale. There are a multitude of sites for other items, eBay, Amazon etc etc.

Joe

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

You are absolutely right with your observations and conclusion.

With child forums though we´d be faced with the task of constantly moving threads from one forum to the other because people post in the wrong child-forum.

Not everyone takes any notice of the prefixes anyway and they haven't done since day one even though the criteria are listed right at the very top of the forum.

Still see FS threads where people are not listing prices and are asking for private offers via PM.
Should be listed FA and all offers should be public according to the rules.

Still see FS threads which are for non prop items.
Should be listed NP.

Still see INT threads which are now fully blown asking for money threads.
Should be ammended to FS.

The point is the system would work ok if people used it as it is supposed to be used.
I don't know about anyone else but i don't even bother using the filters anymore because i'm still confronted with auction and non prop threads even if i do use the FS filter, it's just a waste of time.

 

[franz bolo]

With child forums though we´d be faced with the task of constantly moving threads from one forum to the other because people post in the wrong child-forum.

Isn't that the job of moderators?? If it's done intelligently, it might not be so hard.

Maybe hire some Junkyard Mods that can take the time to do the work.

FB

 

[Rylo]

Let's not get off track, please.

I'm not out to redesign the RPF. I'm just trying to limit what's sold in the Junkyard, that's all.

If it's prop related, it goes there, if it isn't, it doesn't.

-Rylo

NOTE: Case in point. There's a guy on pg.1 right now bumping 15.00 comic books in multiple threads. He couldn't have his flea-market on one thread? Three seperate threads for 2 comics and a calender? Really?

 

[defstartrooper]

Let's not get off track, please.

I'm not out to redesign the RPF. I'm just trying to limit what's sold in the Junkyard, that's all.

If it's prop related, it goes there, if it isn't, it doesn't.

-Rylo

NOTE: Case in point. There's a guy on pg.1 right now bumping 15.00 comic books in multiple threads. He couldn't have his flea-market on one thread? Three seperate threads for 2 comics and a calender? Really?

Yeah but some people seem to be under the impression that anything to do with a TV show or movie is prop related as is shown by all the comics/books/action figure/toys FS threads which should as things stand be listed as NP. So would banning non prop sales really stop these people who can't differentiate betwen a prop and something that is movie/TV related ?

 

[keelhauler]

NOTE: Case in point. There's a guy on pg.1 right now bumping 15.00 comic books in multiple threads. He couldn't have his flea-market on one thread? Three seperate threads for 2 comics and a calender? Really?

That would be me. I figured when this thread started, it was me who had touched it off. Sorry. I should have put them in one thread; not sure why I didn't. I'm normally pretty conscientious about such things and I agree that multiple threads for such items is unnecessary and messy.

Since no one's interested in the items anyway, I'll go ahead and remove them. That'll clean things up a little bit. I don't want to continue to be the poster-child for a mucked-up junkyard.

On the larger issue, I think there is a place for non-prop items in the junkyard, or in 'a' junkyard. I can understand the irritation when someone only wants to see props that are for sale and has to sift through tons of non-prop posts. The only thing I can see working in the long run would be to have two separate junkyards - one for props (items used on a show or movie) and non-props (items related to a show or movie).

 

[sycor]

Let's not get off track, please.

I'm not out to redesign the RPF. I'm just trying to limit what's sold in the Junkyard, that's all.

If it's prop related, it goes there, if it isn't, it doesn't.

-Rylo

NOTE: Case in point. There's a guy on pg.1 right now bumping 15.00 comic books in multiple threads. He couldn't have his flea-market on one thread? Three seperate threads for 2 comics and a calender? Really?

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but can you not just click on FS sort so that you only see FS threads? Of course I realize this only works if people use the labels correctly. And if they aren't using the labels correctly, the mods have asked up to click on the report button so that they don't miss it and can delete the thread.

 

[exoray]

3 month average the Junkyard is the most active forum on this site... More new topics averaged over 3 months then even the main forum and OT...

Just the new post from the 17th span 3 pages in the Junkyard

IMO it certainly needs some more moderation and possibly organization, as it's total chaos as it stands...

I could certainly see a Prop/Costume/Studio Scale Model related for sale forum and then a true Junkyard...

 

[Art Andrews]

Rylo, I am looking at a snapshot of the first page of the junkyard and I am failing to see the exact issue. Are you asking for a strict prop/costume/model only for sale forum in which related items, such as collectibles, figures, movies, etc are not allowed?

 

[Rylo]

I'm simply suggesting a "prop only" category.

In fact, a "Prop Only" and an "Everything Else" area would do just fine.

-Rylo

Rylo, I am looking at a snapshot of the first page of the junkyard and I am failing to see the exact issue. Are you asking for a strict prop/costume/model only for sale forum in which related items, such as collectibles, figures, movies, etc are not allowed?

 

[sycor]

I'm simply suggesting a "prop only" category.

In fact, a "Prop Only" and an "Everything Else" area would do just fine.

-Rylo

Again, this goes back to everyone using the correct tags on their posts. If they would then you could just click on the FS at the top of the page and only see prop related items. I think having a props only section wouldn't work for the same reason. People would still post in the wrong section. Just my opinion.

 

[Shadowknight]

Then that would leave models and costumes out, unless of course you are counting them as props too.

I like the child sections thing.
1. props
2. models
3. costumes
4. everything else

If a person posts in the wrong section simply delete it instead of moving it. After a few deleted threads they will get with the program.

I'm simply suggesting a "prop only" category.

In fact, a "Prop Only" and an "Everything Else" area would do just fine.

-Rylo

 

[Rylo]

Models and costumes are indeed props.

Like I said. 2 sections. Props and "Everything Else."

Then that would leave models and costumes out, unless of course you are counting them as props too.

I like the child sections thing.
1. props
2. models
3. costumes
4. everything else

If a person posts in the wrong section simply delete it instead of moving it. After a few deleted threads they will get with the program.

 

[sycor]

If a person posts in the wrong section simply delete it instead of moving it. After a few deleted threads they will get with the program.

That is what they said they would do the threads using the wrong tags. FS is for props only, NP is for everything else. People still do it wrong. The mods have a hard time catching everything which is why they ask the community to pitch in and report things labels incorrectly. Buy clicking on the FS etc links besife NEW Topic button it should filter to whatever you clicked.

Basically we are arguing the same point. Yes, the JY needs to be cleaned up but since the steps they have taken haven't worked, why should they spend the time and effort for something else that will likely not work as well?

 

[Shadowknight]

Models and costumes are indeed props.

Like I said. 2 sections. Props and "Everything Else."

We are agreed then.

That is what they said they would do the threads using the wrong tags. FS is for props only, NP is for everything else. People still do it wrong. The mods have a hard time catching everything which is why they ask the community to pitch in and report things labels incorrectly. Buy clicking on the FS etc links besife NEW Topic button it should filter to whatever you clicked.

Basically we are arguing the same point. Yes, the JY needs to be cleaned up but since the steps they have taken haven't worked, why should they spend the time and effort for something else that will likely not work as well?

Time to reign it back in. I don't think that the JY should be anybody's personal garage sale.

 

[defstartrooper]

Like Sycor and myself already said there's already a prop only section it's called FS the filter buttons are at the top of the JY all you have to do is click the button for the category you want to view.
The issue isn't with there not being a prop only area the issue is with people not posting correctly, whatever you do people will still continue to do this because their lives are obviously too busy to take 3 minutes to read the thread listing the JY guidelines which is also located at the top of the JY.

The staff already delete threads that are labeled incorrectly and have done ever since the prefix system was introduced, this doesn't stop people from continuing to use the wrong prefixes.
Just like the rules don't stop people continuing with posting religious or political threads despite being told time and time again not to.

 

[DrStranglove]

I would tend to agree and before I was surprised at the non-prop listings in the JY. I think I even posted a thread about it a few months ago.

I like the idea of a Props (including costumes models, ect) and an everything else JY.