Suicide Squad

I hope every single joke isn't just another form of understatement.

Based on what Fawbish said, I think its too late to hope. But hey, humans never stop hoping. Im seriously only going to see this for Margot Robbie.

Also, just got a PG-13 rating. DC doesnt have the balls man. How can you make a movie about villains and not have it be R? :confused
 
I'd rather it be fun than worry about the rating.

but, based on everything seen so far, i don't even have a cursory interest in seeing it.
not even on a tv network passing.

the character designs are just too far gone from what i know and dc has proven they don't get what makes these characters tick, like a bruce tim does.

I'm skipping ;o)
 
I love all these posts that poo poo the entire movie before it premieres. People get unreasonably upset and take a strict stand on a film that hasn't even came out! Like just about any movie in this genre, I'll definitely see it and make my judgement after getting all the details from beginning to end.
 
Based on what Fawbish said, I think its too late to hope. But hey, humans never stop hoping. Im seriously only going to see this for Margot Robbie.

Also, just got a PG-13 rating. DC doesnt have the balls man. How can you make a movie about villains and not have it be R? :confused

I agree with Dascoyne, I hope theres a range of comedic beats and it isn't one note.

It's quite insane that we are waiting for a DCEU film that looks fun, and now people are finding potential fault with the type of fun though....

And the "R-rating" thing...come on. This is seriously one of your complaints?? It's the third film in a shared universe. The shared universe will have a shared rating. Why on earth would you expect an R? The villains are still part of the same comics that the heroes are from...
 
I agree with Dascoyne, I hope theres a range of comedic beats and it isn't one note.

It's quite insane that we are waiting for a DCEU film that looks fun, and now people are finding potential fault with the type of fun though....

And the "R-rating" thing...come on. This is seriously one of your complaints?? It's the third film in a shared universe. The shared universe will have a shared rating. Why on earth would you expect an R? The villains are still part of the same comics that the heroes are from...

Deadpool proved you wrong. Just because you have a shared universe doesnt mean you cant have movies that have different ratings. Even DCEU is putting out a R-rated Superman v Batman movie. Why limit yourself to a PG-13 rating when you can make a ton of jokes that people would enjoy if done correctly? Because WB doesnt have the balls thats why. I would expect an R because they are trying to sell you the fact that this team is a bunch of villains, and villains are bad people. Bad people dont usually limit themselves to what they would say/do around 13 year olds... And thats what makes the heroes better than the villains. Have some contrast for gods sakes. Yeah, I understand that, but its a different medium that they are adapting the comics from. They limit themselves in the comics because they are catering to that specific audience (kids, teeenagers) but this movie could have catered to a lot more people/different demographic.
 
Dude, Deadpool was a one of kind thing, with a relatively small budget in case of failure, you can't apply the formula to any film you want. That's way to much of a financial risk for bigger budget movies. Ball parking here, SS must be around 150 M, a lot more than Deadpool's 50 M... Could it be better as a R rated ? Maybe, but it's just not worth the risk for a theatre release. An R rated extended cut on DVD might be the best option here.
 
Dude, Deadpool was a one of kind thing, with a relatively small budget in case of failure, you can't apply the formula to any film you want. That's way to much of a financial risk for bigger budget movies. Ball parking here, SS must be around 150 M, a lot more than Deadpool's 50 M... Could it be better as a R rated ? Maybe, but it's just not worth the risk for a theatre release. An R rated extended cut on DVD might be the best option here.

From the looks of it, I had no idea that the budget was that high! You know why Deadpool was a one of a kind thing? Because they risked it, and the filmmakers cared and respected the source material. I know I cant, but this film, based on what it is, seems like it would have more options to be rated R as opposed to PG-13. But youre right about the budget and why Deadpool didnt have the studios up their asses. Wow. I guess they are taking a risk throwing up those numbers for the budget arent they? :lol
 
Well, the thing is, they theoretically could risk it, since WB has a wide range of movies, they could absorb a loss and compensate with a few of their other movies doing really good, but depending on how they're structuring their DCEU, maybe they separated it from the rest, so they don't have much to fall back on. They don't have anything actually, BvS is not making enough profits to cover a second film, and while I hope Wonder Woman will be good, I don't think it will pull enough BO to cover that either. Now I'm all speculating here, I know first hand how small european films are financed and work, but I've never worked on anything with a budget higher than 8 mil. And that was a big one for us.
 
That would have been my Deadpool response, which is why I didn't even bring it up. It's like a bloody buzzword as soon as someone mentions R-rating.

Deadpool also worked because it was Deadpool, not because it was rated R. So no, it isn't proof of anything. It also took ten years of nagging the studio, leaked test footage, a bankable star who probably wasnt charging much because he had lobbied for it, a tiny budget (in comparison to blockbusters) and a very simple (dont confuse with not enjoyable) story.

Audiences are definitely now more accepting of a higher rating - but at the end of the day, PG-13 will pull in more money for the brand etc.

I'd absolutely love a rated R version of this flick - but I didn't ever expect one. BvS is only R-rated on the extended due to a few more punches and a bit of blood spatter. You don't really need that for a theatrical release, it doesn't diminish the quality not having the spatter, and BvS was brutal enough as a PG-13.
 
I personally don't care too much about rating and I don't think rating on its own makes a movie good, it's more about the actual content; I'm sure most people would agree with that. Having said that, I think that Suicide Squad should be R. They've obviously gone to a lot of effort to make the characters look really freaky, and when you look at some of the cast interviews you'll see that they've also gone to a lot of effort to make the movie intense and violent. I read an interview with the guy who plays Killer Croc and he said that he watched a lot of documentaries about crocodiles and they filmed his scenes like a monster movie, where he's lurking in the water and then snatches people and shakes them around viciously in the water and eats them. There's also the fact that this movie obviously contains torture, scenes of psychological distress and an incredible amount of violence involving guns, knives, and all manner of other deadly weapons. Usually in movies the main reason to make a movie PG-13 is to increase the target audience to include kids and families, but if the content of the movie is not suitable for children in the first place, dialling the violence and mature content down is only going to ostracise the older target audience who would have originally enjoyed it. What I mean is that if you're gonna tell a story about a bunch of literal murderous psychopaths shooting their way through a mission they'll most likely not survive and showing torture, partial nudity, death, destruction and a freaky tatted-up pimp clown, maybe marketing the story to families isn't the best idea; maybe instead of trying to make their target audience as vague and all-encompassing as possible, they should embrace the insanity of the story and just market it to the people who are already interested and legally able to see the R-rated version. And by the way, THAT'S what Deadpool got right, and why it succeeded.

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Honestly, I didn't think of Deadpool. When I try to think of "group of villains a movie wants us to enjoy and identify as anti heroes" I actually think of Tarantino.
 
Well, the thing is, they theoretically could risk it, since WB has a wide range of movies, they could absorb a loss and compensate with a few of their other movies doing really good.

i don't think they can risk it.
If BVS did better, maybe, but I think it's pretty clear most of the general audience doesn't care much for this round of DC movies.
They are going to be awful cautious about the next batch if you can't make something as simple as Batman V superman entertaining.


Making it R would limit the younger audience from seeing it.. not that these movies are really made for anyone under 17 at best..

and I agree. even though I didn't see it...deadpool worked because the people of that movie apparently knew what made the character tick.

Now you'll have a bunch of hollywood people, and audience people wanting to copy that formula, (in the CEO's case)without knowing what made it tick. just because it's R didn't make it better.
 
Deadpool is a different animal and shouldn't be compared to this movie.

The difference is that Deadpool could NOT have worked unless it was rated R. It wouldn't have been faithful to the character any other way.
 
That would have been my Deadpool response, which is why I didn't even bring it up. It's like a bloody buzzword as soon as someone mentions R-rating.

Deadpool also worked because it was Deadpool, not because it was rated R. So no, it isn't proof of anything. It also took ten years of nagging the studio, leaked test footage, a bankable star who probably wasnt charging much because he had lobbied for it, a tiny budget (in comparison to blockbusters) and a very simple (dont confuse with not enjoyable) story.

Audiences are definitely now more accepting of a higher rating - but at the end of the day, PG-13 will pull in more money for the brand etc.

I'd absolutely love a rated R version of this flick - but I didn't ever expect one. BvS is only R-rated on the extended due to a few more punches and a bit of blood spatter. You don't really need that for a theatrical release, it doesn't diminish the quality not having the spatter, and BvS was brutal enough as a PG-13.

Yeah, as well it should be, because it broke the damn mold. Its proof that a comic book movie can be R rated and make money when done correctly.

No, Deadpool worked BECAUSE it was rated R. Thats why. If it was PG-13 it wouldnt have worked because thats not the character. Umm actually it is, that proves everything. Why do you think that test footage was "leaked"? And so what if it took years? Sometimes that works out for the movie with technology etc Thats not even that long considering how long some movies are in development hell. I think saying Ryan Reynolds is "bankable" is kind of a stretch...People know his name but he isnt a proven draw. He cared about the character, and understood him, and that showed in his performance.

Depends on the movie. Look at the last slew of 80's remakes. Toned down for PG-13, total recall, robocop, flopped super hard. Aliens vs Predator. Granted those are remakes but still, a R, when done properly that caters to the character will bring in money. Studios dont want to risk it.

Yeah, and I dont blame you, because studios are afraid. If done correctly (which I dont think it will cause James Mangold sucks) a rated R wolverine movie would do better than the crap they have put out. BvS shouldnt have been R rated though. Thats not the freaking characters. And look, they had their PG-13 rating and that movie was laughably bad for what it could have been, but thats for another thread.

Dont get me wrong, I would like for this movie to be fun, but I feel as though if youre trying to plug some hard boiled characters, their hands shouldnt be tied with a PG-13 rating.
 
1 hour 40 minutes is the reported running time for the theatrical cut.

I am very surprised by this short duration. Guess they will be able to have more screenings in a day for this.
 
1 hour 40 minutes is the reported running time for the theatrical cut.

I am very surprised by this short duration. Guess they will be able to have more screenings in a day for this.

Im not, if they are catering to ADD people, short on attention spans, and its mostly action, it justifies the short run time. Thats about the length of your usual animated feature...geared towards kids...
 
Im not, if they are catering to ADD people, short on attention spans, and its mostly action, it justifies the short run time. Thats about the length of your usual animated feature...geared towards kids...
And then David Ayer the beast himself debunked this.
 
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