SABER history experts - please correct my timeline

blewis17

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I am in NO WAY an OT saber expert. But I have gleamed a lot over the yeas by reading these forums. In my mind, this is how the OT sabers came to be/ existed through the movies. I know there are some glaring errors here, so I would appreciate any correction and updates that you could give. I've just never seen everything summarized in one place before. So, here's my stab at it ......


ANH Ob1 - Hero was made by/at Bapty(?) from cobbled together parts, including a flash clamp, machine gun nozzle/fin, sink knob, British hand grenade, and jet engine part for the emitter. There were probably 2 hero sabers, including a third dueling (stunt). The stunt survived to ROTJ as Luke's stunt. The Hero sabers' whereabouts remains unknown, but it is commonly assumed that they were disassembled and possibly returned to Bapty (or ended up at ILM).

ANH Vader - 2 Hero sabers, and a stunt (dueling?) saber. From MPP flash handles, with T-track as grips and Exactra calculator bubbles as the activator switch. A D-ring was attached to the base as a belt hook.

ESB VADER - One, if not both, of the Hero sabers survived to ESB but was/were modified with longer T-track for the grips. Some have speculated the a King Sol flashgun was also used (especially in the carbon freezing chamber scene) based on publicity stills, but this has never been definitely confirmed. The calculator bubbles remained as the activation switch.

ROTJ Vader - the stunt saber, from which the ROTS saber design was based, was probably a shared stunt that was used by Luke in ESB. This has large allen head bolts in its sides, including an extension rod still in the emitter. This is a Graflex Luke saber that has been converted to look like an MPP saber, if not very convincingly. This saber is commonly making the round on museum tours.

Only recently has it been discovered that a/the Vader ESB saber survived to ROTJ, and was used as the Hero in most of the ROTJ scenes. This saber now resides mounted to a ROTJ poster in a small museum, ??? I am NOT sure who actually OWNS this saber. Anyone???

ANH Luke - a Graflex 3 cell flashgun, with cabinet T-track for grips (7 on one, if not both) and calculator bubble strip in the clamp as the activator switch. A D-ring was attached to the base as a belt hook. There may have been 2 hero sabers.

ESB Luke - a/the ANH Luke had its T-track screwed/nailed into place on the flashgun. An HP(?) circuit board gold plated connector piece was inserted into the clamp as the activator switch. One of the Luke sabers was modified and ended up as a dueling saber, used by Luke in ESB and Vader in ROTJ. See above. This saber ended up in a display case at Skywalker ranch.

ROTJ Luke - 2 hero sabers were made, based off of the look of the original ANH OB1 and the surviving OB1 stunt/dueling saber. These were machined aluminum. There aslo were resin sabers(?) used throughout.

Barbicon saber - this Frankenstein hybrid may have been a publicity or promo saber, at around the time of ROTJ. ?? if it was ever actually seen on film.

SW Holiday Special Luke saber - a completely different flashgun was used and cut down to give the shape of a Graflex. As this was before ESB was released, and the show producers obviously had access to original ANH props and costumes, why an original ANH Luke Graflex was not used still is a mystery.

Energizer Battery Vader saber - made from an actual flashlight/MagLite.
 
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Thanks for the link, Franz. Some great info! I am trying to:

1) Have a brief, accurate summary in one place of the OT saber history, and
2) "where are they NOW" saber locations

-b-
 
Looking through my refernce pics I came across the ANH Luke stunt with the end painted black, So, and I'm no expert either, it's likely that it was the ANH Vader stunt as well.

EDIT: Pics

anhstunt.jpg


lukeANHstunt.jpg


ANHstuntblack.jpg
 
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What about that Vader saber that popped up a while ago? The one with the Graflex slave shoved in the end. Was that ever proven to be real?

There's also the Yuma stunt ROTJ Luke

You could always add the Energizer saber to the list :lol
 
The most glaring error is the V2 is missing.
The V2 is the second ANH Kenobi stunt that later became the Luke ROTJ v2.
The Luke ROTJ's are based of the V2 and other shared stunt.

The King Sol Vader was debunked years ago. The suspect saber was an MPP.

Barbican (not Barbicon).

Lots of other stuff missing from the brief list.
 
Reh-RUGH, Lonepigeon, on the King Sol!:thumbsup

The mounted MPP is the MPP holy grail. Only then did we figure out that it was not only an Exactra calc bubble strip in the clamp... but we figure out that it was also part of the circuit card with it too. The bent clamp tabs show that they were pried open to allow the thicker bubbles strip and card to fit.
We also learned there are wires on the opposite side inside the interface holes, and one of them was BLUE!
 
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