Ridley Scott Prometheus: NOT the Alien Prequel Details

I'm basing most of my ideas off of the BTS features and commentary on the DVD, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. O'Bannon himself was the one that talked about the facehugger design, how he adapted Giger's "hand" alien into a more "spider" shape, got the nod from Ridley, and had Roger touch up the details and build it.

Published screenplays tend to be a bit off a lot of times.. often reverse engineered from the final film. I've yet to see a film that matches the shooting script 100%, so that's usually an indicator that the "script" was written from the film and not the other way around. Take ESB, for example. Word for word, no changes of any kind. Including "I am your father", despite all of the evidence from the actors and producers that the shooting script never had that line in it. It also doesn't account for known deleted scenes from those films, either.. cuts like that aren't made during writing.

The shooting script for Alien contains quite a few subtle differences. Stage direction is pretty much intact, but little bits of dialogue are changed here and there, and of course it contains all of the deleted material that never made it on screen, including things they never shot. And some of that doesn't quite match 100% to the deleted scenes as they appear on the DVD, or the ones reintegrated into the film for the "director's cut". The cocoon sequence, for example, actually contains more dialogue between Dallas and Ripley, rather than the two words that Dallas spoke in the scene as they filmed it.

I may be wrong about the octopus thing, but I thought I remembered O'Bannon saying he'd drawn up a sketch (maybe he's talking about a different sketch). Anyway, his script is very clear about the octopus shape and suckers anyway, so despite the sketch, the idea behind that design is clearly his in any event.

The subterranean bit is a leftover from the script, I think. It was in O'Bannon's original script, and it's also in Giler's rewrite (the shooting script), where Kane says "I'm below ground level" while still in the tunnel on his way down, before he even hits the cave. I'm not sure if they ever recorded that line or shot the extended drop-down sequence (in the film, he appears pretty much instantly inside the cave, as if the cockpit was directly above it with nothing in between). That may have been an intentional change on Ridley's part to incorporate the cave directly into the ship. He even talks about it on the commentary, speculating that it may be a military cargo ship, carrying these things to some other world.
 
I agree. If it's a cave, the questions arise as to why it looks exactly like the interior of the ship, why it's the same shape as the outside of the ship, and why it's located inside the ship directly below the cockpit. :p

There's a different word for a large non-subterranean void space that occupies part of the interior of a vesse: hold. :)
 
I've been told that this is avaliable 8th September. Alien Vault -The Definitve Story.

Product Description
For more than thirty years, audiences have been simultaneously captivated and appalled as the spaceship Nostromo is invaded and its crew stalked by a terrifying parasitic creature. From the gore of the infant alien bursting from Kane’s chest to the mounting claustrophobia as Ripley discovers the monster has followed her into the escape shuttle, Alien is a chilling masterpiece. Now, ALIEN VAULT opens a portal into the making of this legendary film, tracing its path from embryonic concept to fully-fledged box office phenomenon. Featured herein are director Ridley Scott’s own annotated storyboards, Polaroids and script pages; the elegant but disturbing concept artwork of H.R. Giger; sketches and construction blueprints for the Nostromo; costume designs by Moebius; a treasure trove of never-before-seen photographs of the cast and crew; and ten meticulously reproduced artefacts, enclosed in vellum envelopes, for readers to remove and examine more closely. Fully authorized and illustrated throughout, ALIEN VAULT is the ultimate tribute to a movie that changed cinema for ever.
About the Author
Ian Nathan has been a writer, producer, broadcaster and magazine editor for 20 years. As executive editor of Empire, the world’s leading film magazine, he commissions, edits and writes articles on the full breadth of cinema. The work of Sir Ridley Scott, in particular the extraordinary Alien, has been seminal in his understanding of what film can achieve and how much there is to discover within it

It'll will be interesting to see what (if anything) is said about Prometheus here. But I guess if they have been using alot of Ridleys old source material for it to retrodesign the Promethus set then thats why this book is coming out. Another one for the groaning bookcase (sigh). Oh and you were right about the cold, I checked the subtitles. Dooh!
 
Subtitles say 'deep cold', the shooting script line is "Rock, lava base. And cold...well below the centrigrade line.'

So, yeah, I think we can put that one to bed :)
 
In greek mythology the Titans were the Elder gods who are replaced by the Olympians in a war, and it was Prometheus, a titan, who brought fire to Humanity and royally pissed off Zeus enough to be tied to a rock and get his liver eatten for eternity.
Ridley said in his MTV interview Exclusive: Ridley Scott Reveals 'Alien' Prequel Details - MTV Movie News| MTV
that the focus was going to be about finding out about who and what race the " space jockey" was about.Then we get him saying in interview "The film will be really tough, really nasty. It's the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space. And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would go in and clean up a planet?"
Again broad strokes here but the direction is fairly strongly indicated. That this is a story about humanities "first contact" with another intellient species, one that is much older, wiser and definitely more technically advanced and who has possibly had some influence over the human race at some point in the past.
Then the pictures appear at Comic con and in two of them a huge human head appears to be built in a structure similar to the original "Space Jockey" . Infact, alot of the shots show structures that are "biomechanical" giger like designs and an obviously "alien" influenced culture.
Whats really interesting is the sets look pretty abandonned and "derelict" again, like the space jockeys are still history and the crew are exploring the remains of their dead civilization, not a living one. Wiped out in a war perhaps but a war over what? That "Big Head" seems to suggest humanity plays a very key part to it.
So you are back to the mythology. Two advanced "god like " civilisations at war and one of them wants to support humanity by giving them a gift. I'd argue its not fire this time, but given that humanity has discovered faster than light travel, it may be the ability to transform planets by terraforming.
What you cannot doubt is somehow Humanity IS connected with the "Space Jockey" somehow prior to "Alien", as afterall the Nostromo is rerouted by the company to the planetoid and Ash is specifically told to gather a speciemen (crew expendable). So Weyland HAS some information already about it, but obviously not alot,or accurate , which I have to say does not bode well for the all those people involved in the prequel.
As I said I don't doubt that there could be the a ship called the "Prometheus" ,but suddenly there is another called the "Magellan" as well and there are a hell of alot of parrallels with the entire greek mythological story. The myth of what the Alien and its relationship was with the Jockey have been evolving ever since the film was originally released ,which I have followed ever since I was a teenager,back in '79, hence my old and rather tattered copy of the screen play that says "deep coal" instead of "cold". Personally I preffer the mystery of the Alien, but Ridley has gone back to explain it, which is a potentially very dangerous thing to do, because he could disappoint a hell of a lot of people ,like GL and the SW prequels, when all those great potential stories about the Clone wars and Darth Vader died a very poor death.
But, I also have a lot of faith in him as a visionary film maker. When he gets it right, he does creates brilliant , intelligent ,well thought out ,unique cinema. I am probably a million miles off with my guesses but the futures never perfect is it.
 
Hey, you may be off but I like your guesses! There's a great deal of speculation around about the terraforming thing, which I think dates from Alien Harvest but could be in the final film; it'd make a pretty good 'fire', anyway.

I think though that we have enough to conclude the jockeys are very much alive and kicking...
 
I love A L I E N. As a horror film, as a suspense film, as a sci-fi. It, along with Star Wars, made an indelible impression on me as youth, and its images have in many ways influenced me. There are only three things I can say about Prometheus:

1. Ridley Scott is no George Lucas. Thank god, cause this means there is a good chance Promethus WON'T SUCK.

2. It will not be A L I E N. I will go see it, doing my best to tell myself that it is not A L I E N. Keep an open mind, let it stand or fall on its own, and don't judge to the memories of youth, because it will lose to those.

3. It better be rated ****ing R. PG-13 WILL NOT WORK FOR AN ALIEN MOVIE.

Charlie

PS: On a side note, very interesting discussion here, and I do enjoy reading people's varying points of view.
 
Just finished reading "The Alien Vault". There is nothing really new here for the old die hards like me, but its very well put together and with some nice extras. If you're wanting a trip down memory lane with a particularly scary old friend, then this is time well spent in nightmarish company.
"Prometheus" is not mentioned at all, which is somewhat surprising, given that the last section briefly covers the sequels and spinoffs. But I guess there will be a book of the making of the new film being written right now.
However,it is interesting to note how keen Ridley was on the whole "Temple / Alien backstory before budget and time restrictions pulled it back to being "The Derelict" and how unclear they were about what its origins actually where.
There was a better picture of a photo in there that I was pleased to see.

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This version of the facehugger by Ron Cobb from the original footage looks suspiciously like the creature in the green tube photo from the Prometheus comic con footage. Given that the type of facehugger is supposed to evolve to match its target species this would nicely suggest that the ones in the eggs in the hold of the derelict are those that have already been "pre exposed " to a human host, hence the "human like fingers" of the Alien original.

Tie that in with the Space Jockey "welded" into his seat ( in the Prometheus myth the titan is tied to a rock ) and his exploded chest ( in the myth his liver is torn out as a punishment for helping humanity) I have to say the title really does feel that we are talking about the Space Jockeys fate here not just the space ships, though it would tie in the two togther very well.
 
Is there a shot I've not seen? Dont recall any face hugger esq pics from comic con. Can you chuck it up or email it if you have it...
 
There's no "face hugger" per se... but there is a new creature that serves more or less the same function (sorry, no pix).
 
Well I was thinking is Prometheus the name of a ship that will be in the film or is it a code name for a mission? if you recall the Greek Myth Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mortal man which he was punished for so like a detective I'm piecing things together with the Space Jockey angle, did the "Jockeys" steal the "fire' and ended up being punished? or did the Human astronauts steal the "fire' from the Jockeys? Will the "fire" be the Alien life form? and from looking at the pics of the sets which some are huge! it looks like its either on the Alien ship or the planet, just my take on it.
 
Subtitles say 'deep cold', the shooting script line is "Rock, lava base. And cold...well below the centrigrade line.'

So, yeah, I think we can put that one to bed :)

Subtitlers foul up all the time. Shooting script seems hard to argue with, though. Still, I've got deep coal in the 1979 Futura Alien Movie Novel edited by R. Anobile. I want it to be coal; always liked the line. Like it's the first thing a crew is trained to do on a new planet - start checking for stuff to exploit.
 
Subtitlers foul up all the time. Shooting script seems hard to argue with, though. Still, I've got deep coal in the 1979 Futura Alien Movie Novel edited by R. Anobile. I want it to be coal; always liked the line. Like it's the first thing a crew is trained to do on a new planet - start checking for stuff to exploit.

Thats what our family did when we came to Earth:behave
 
I keep thinking of some lyrics from a filk song of sorts about spaceflight......

"Prometheus, they say, brought God's fire down to man.
And we've caught it, tamed it, trained it since our history began.
Now we're going back to heaven just to look him in the eye,
and there's a thunder 'cross the land, and a fire in the sky."


It's all probably too much thinking about the title though.
Maybe it's just a good name for a ship.
 
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