Ridley Scott Prometheus: NOT the Alien Prequel Details

D'oh! :lol

Eh, oh well. Actually it's for the best because I was thinking that suit looked depressingly "NASA" and not cool and ornate like the Mobius inspired ALIEN ones. :D

The "first official pic" suit looks interesting but kind of form fitting. I don't know what we're really seeing there.

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I am truly looking forward to this film, now more news is out even more so. Scott has done some bollox recently and thats a fact but I know he will do us all proud with this.

I'm glad its not a direct prequel and glad its going the way it at the mo, with what info we have.

I have a friend who works at Pinewood and have heard nothing but amazing things so far. Roll on the first Cam footage of that teaser from SDCC.

Not sure about the 3d though!!!! Kinda dont care for it after Avatar.
 
FWIW, the previously posted synopsis appears to be based on an early, pre-Lindlehof draft of the screenplay; thematically it's in the right ballpark, but narratively it bears only a passing resemblance to the shooting script.

As for charges that the story smacks of the "familiar and known" it's perhaps worth remembering that, back in the day, A L I E N was taken to task for bearing too close a resemblance to "It: The Terror From Beyond Space."

:rolleyes


My main beef with that synopsis is it takes the enigma of the first film and converts that into the familiar, the known.

This is why there could be a great many of us who may dislike the film no matter how good a thriller Scott manages to deliver. The preservation of that hallowed enigma is worth more to some of us than the price of just one more 'good thriller'.
 
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Forget judging a movie on its own. Forget judging a movie on its critical response. Forget judging a movie from its trailer. Forget judging a movie based on its script. Forget judging a movie based on its synopsis.

We have entered the age of judging a movie based on a description from a questionable source.

Out of context, anything can be made to sound like it sucks.

"An washed up, ex-gun-runner opens a bar in Africa and his old fling just so happens to be attached to a current political activist that visits his gin joint with hopes of escape?"

Anything can be reduced.

What kills me about this is that if we'd said, "Wow, that new Alien synopsis sounds awesome and the film's going to be great", you probably wouldn't be in here saying, "Tsk, tsk, the film could be garbage, don't pre-judge, enough of this absolutely baseless positivity etc." If a positive reaction to advance material/rumours about a film is acceptable, then so is a negative one. Perhaps neither is acceptable, in which case we should ban these types of threads. Me though, I think people should be free to say whether a film sounds like it's going to be good or crap, as they see fit.
 
My main beef with that synopsis is it takes the enigma of the first film and converts that into the familiar, the known.

Well, therein lies the danger inherent in just about any prequel or sequel which dares to expand upon the original.

I mean, do we really need to know that Vito Corleone saw his mother die, or that Captain Nemo was an Indian prince, or that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father?

Depends on one's point of view, I suppose. I'm a big believer in the power of mystery and the magic of the unanswered. On the other hand, when the mysteries are revealed in an intellectually interesting, emotionally satisfying, dramatically compelling way, the results can be very worthwhile indeed.

For what it's worth, Prometheus raises more questions than it answers. Nothing will ever top the original "Alien" IMO, but Scott and Lindelhoff could have done a helluva lot worse in the story department (as most of the "Alien" franchise demonstrates all too well).
 
Saw the new Prometheus footage shown in Hall H yesterday (thanks to a 'heads up' from Willie Goldman!). It looked fantastic. The interior ship designs are very reminiscent of the Nostromo's interiors. The Giger egg chamber was shown with and WITHOUT eggs... there's a shot of a flame thrower spraying... several shots of characters in new bubble domed space suits. Charlize Theron doing naked push ups. A lot of the movie seems to honor the design sensibility of the original film. Which I suppose is NOT surprising. There were no shots of the creature (s). RIdley Scott says he loves shooting in 3D and I believe him. Hope it doesn't end up being PG-13. But maybe Fox can be persuaded to go with an R rating. We'll see. Anyway, I cannot wait! VERY excited about this.
 
Well, therein lies the danger inherent in just about any prequel or sequel which dares to expand upon the original.

I'm a big believer in the power of mystery and the magic of the unanswered. On the other hand, when the mysteries are revealed in an intellectually interesting, emotionally satisfying, dramatically compelling way, the results can be very worthwhile indeed.

But I can't really think of any film enigmas or mysteries that rank with the enigma of the derelict, the jockey and the alien. It's almost the soul of the film, whereas the other examples you gave don't represent trashings of central enigmas, but rather irritating add-ons to the original movies.

Just a moment... just a moment... Aha! There is another film enigma to rank with Alien. And one close to your heart! To me, it's exactly as if Kubrick were to make another 2001 movie in which he shows you the 'aliens' who observed Bowman. He shows you them eating their dinner, going to the bathroom on the other side of Bowman's hotel room, subtitles all their weird vocalisations, and gives you a full run-down of an interesting and dramatically compelling, emotionally satisfying, political intrigue within their society regarding their motivation for turning Bowman into the Starchild. Surely it can be seen that no drama regarding the 2001 'aliens', no matter how perfect, could ever be fit even to lick the boots of the original enigma in terms of cultural importance; the enigma is simply too valuable to us in itself. Maybe Clarke already did this in his novels - one reason I'll never pick those things up. A 2nd example would be the Close Encounters Special Edition, in which Spielberg went down the road Scott's taking here. He revealed everything inside the mothership, then 30 years later rightfully bitterly regretted it.

For me, as with the 2001 example, NO explanation of the Alien enigma, no matter how intellectually interesting, or emotionally satisfying, or dramatically compelling, can be worth the loss of said enigma. It can't be overstated that 'Alien's main cultural value to us is its astonishing presentation of that which is the UNKNOWN. What was the bloody point of all that effort if you're going to just tear it all down 30 years later, if you're going to declare 'Cease your wonder! The derelict was THIS, and the eggs were THIS, and the alien was THIS!' Oh, cheers, Rid, cheers for closing down a whole district of my imagination. For 30 years it was such a liberating place through which to wander. I did so like it there. But it's gone now. Thanks, man.
 
Actually, they expand the 2001 monolith story a little bit in the books, and it gets even more enigmatic and mysterious. I mean, at first its just some kind of black monolith with powers. By the end of 3001, you discover that it is an ancient 'terraforming' artifact which is malfunctioning because its creators evolved long time ago and didn't care for it anymore, so now it's doing weird stuff based upon its own messed up alien AI. I found it to be a very exciting discovery which made worth the sequels for 2001 reading despite their lower quality.

I hope Prometheus will do the same. It can take a random scenary element, which right now is just a broken creepy ship with an alien skeleton inside and make it be part of a larger enigma. It's like the difference between finding a single dinosaur skeleton (wtf, giant lizard?) and knowing that there were zillions of dinosaurs and still being unable to see one in the zoo (now that's not a wtf, but a big enigma and myth)

I'm not english-speaker, so I've found a hard time trying to explain myself. I hope you get my point XD

It's true that if they do it the wrong way, Prometheus can be a stupid movie. But I trust in the guys doing it and I believe they know better than we do that they need to bring more questions than answers to the space jokcey 'enigma'
 
Colin, its very simple, dont reed spoilers or threads on Prometheus or watch the film, voila. No Imagination lost, nothings changed. if you choose to read info on the film you choose to have your 30yrs of wonder removed.
 
What was the bloody point of all that effort if you're going to just tear it all down 30 years later, if you're going to declare 'Cease your wonder! The derelict was THIS, and the eggs were THIS, and the alien was THIS!' Oh, cheers, Rid, cheers for closing down a whole district of my imagination. For 30 years it was such a liberating place through which to wander. I did so like it there. But it's gone now. Thanks, man.

I think you're being a touch melodramatic. I also think you're assigning both Scott and Prometheus too much power in terms of the sway they hold over your imagination.

Worst case scenario, Prometheus will be like Godfather III... a bad follow-up to a classic story that most fans will put out of their minds 10 minutes after leaving the theater. But, you know, no one's going to make you go see a film you don't want to see. Or discuss a film you don't want to discuss.

FWIW, I agree (and agreed) with your overall point re: answering cinematic questions that don't need to be answered, and I think the examples you give are good ones. At the some time, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious to find out whether Scott still has the creative wherewithal to scare the crap out of me. Based on what I've read and seen thus far I'd say he has a 50/50 chance of succeeding.
 
Could be worse: we could have Shane Salerno scripting and Paul Anderson or the Strause Bros. directing
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While I agree with CD's philosophy I also agree with the counterpoints. Prometheus isn't going to ruin anything for me, because I'm just not going to give it that power. Exactly as, as far as I was concerned, James Cameron's "insectification" of the creatures did nothing to damage their lifecycle as shown in the original cut of A L I E N.

Gotta take issue here, however:

Actually, they expand the 2001 monolith story a little bit in the books, and it gets even more enigmatic and mysterious.

Uh, no. Not to me at least. "They became starships" was the line from the book, or something like that. Now they're ret-conned as mere technological leftovers from before some race's Singularity? That's Clarke second-guessing himself, to the detriment of the scope and magnificence of his original vision.

Could be worse: we could have Shane Salerno scripting and Paul Anderson or the Strause Bros. directing

Yeah. It should be a safe bet that even if this film becomes an epic disappointment, it will a) deliver on the visual level and b) be only half as epically disappointing as certain other prequels. :p
 
Colin, its very simple, dont reed spoilers or threads on Prometheus or watch the film, voila. No Imagination lost, nothings changed. if you choose to read info on the film you choose to have your 30yrs of wonder removed.

I know, I know...lol. But one is always curious. Curiosity killed the cat. If I'd never joined this board, I'd probably have gone to my grave in blissful ignorance...
 
Prometheus isn't going to ruin anything for me, because I'm just not going to give it that power. Exactly as, as far as I was concerned, James Cameron's "insectification" of the creatures did nothing to damage their lifecycle as shown in the original cut of A L I E N.

I'm jealous. Me, I always have to be constantly wiping my mind while watching Alien or the SW OT, and it's not easy...To me, if the author of a story post-hoc says 'well, the story is this now, Vader made 3PO, the derelict is an intergalactic pizza delivery truck etc. ' then I'm afraid they have forever altered the story, that's it. Only an R2 style memory-erase can bring back the old way I saw the story. I contend that it's not that I give Lucas and Scott power over my imagination, it's more of a philosophical point to do with the denial of truth. For instance, it is now a truth of the SW story that 3PO was made by Vader. All we can do in the face of this is use our capacity to deny truth, and I'm not good at that.
 
I can strongly advise re watching TPM on magic mushrooms, it will clear your mind of any notion that Vader made 3P0, in fact I can arrange a mind wipe if you truly want this memory gone for good. I tried it on my self and got the Sound of Music confused with ESB, the results where amazing. I'm still convinced Yoda got an oscar, and can clearly see him receiving the award on a hill side in Austria IN MY MIND. If nothing else it helped me forget about TPM for ever.

Always remember there only films.......as I walk into a room in my house with star wars props and models in every direction......only a film....Guy.......only a film..........
 
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