Propsculptor ANH Vader Helmet

Onigiri

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Wow. In regards to this (now long closed) thread which was pointed out to me last night by another RPF member.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=5083
I was the one that reworked that helmet, which is why there was a pile of reveal parts sitting next to it. That was my workbenchI should also add I had no idea that this thread existed until FP pointed it out to me but Ill tell you guys what I know.
As some of you know I used to live in Seattle and TE was a friend of mine. He had, in his possesion, this beat up nasty helmet and he asked me if I would clean it up for him. By beat up I mean it was a really nasty casting. It had all sorts of problems so I took it as a challenge. I was told it was for his personal Vader display project but was not given any 'origin' on the piece. As Matt was my friend and since there was no rush I said, "Ill see what I can do". I was not (am not) Gino or Sithlord so I did not know all the intricacies of what made Vader 'authentic' (this was around 2001/2002 IIRC) so I set about simply cleaning up this nasty helmet and making it 'look nice'. There was a LOT of bondo work, reshaping and sharpening done. As I was preparing to leave for Iraq TE said he needed the helmet back. I had planned on painting it up for him but was told that wasnt necessary so I slapped another coat of gray primer on the face. There was still bondo on the dome as I hadnt finished restoring that yet so I didnt re-prime the dome. I turned the helmet over to TE and headed off to Iraq and really didnt give it any more thought until last night.
Reading through that thread was interesting and a bit upsetting in that what I did for free for a friend for a 'display' was then sold/traded and became somewhat controversial but its nice to know my interpretation and work were at least appreciated by a few folks. All I know is that a friend asked me to clean up a pretty bad casting for a display and thats the helmet in the above linked thread. I dont want to wade in to the murky waters of assumption as to what the intentions were at the time I was asked in relation to the items later being offered for big money and later trade.
Hopefully this answers some if not all of your questions as to why this helmet looks so different: it was heavily re-worked/cleaned up and sharpened by yours truly.
On a bright note at least you guys got to see what I can do with a lot of bondo, sandpaper and some elbow grease.
EDIT: apparently the proposed run never went through but if it ever does I want one lol
As I can see from the initial thread apparently they (TE et al) were looking for big money for this helmet which I guess I should take as sort of a compliment ...I think.....:)
Im waiting to hear more. again, this isnt a 'woe is me' thread Im just stating my involvement in some work I did for free for a friends 'display' that seems to have ended up somewhat controversially.
 
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wow, that´s interesting and sad likewise...
thanks for clarifying this "mystery" helmet debacle, Onigiri!
 
Ahhhh yes, I remember that thread. I don't think that anything came from that run did it?

Good to hear the backstory, Onigiri....kinda sucks what happened to you though.
 
Ah that was very cool thread. Sad story...BTW I couldn´t see pictures.
Can you tell me some backround infos about my first movie cast Vader mask (and upper armour, chestbox, belt boxes) I got from Tim Ketzer in 1995. He had the parts since 93/94. I guess it is from the same source you got your Vader from: Don Post Studios. It´s also very, very sharp and detailed. And comparison to the time I don´t think it is a recast. I guess it´s the same mould where later the Ghost host parts came from. Can you give me some background about it, please? I want to know!




 
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Honestly TJ I dont know. I purchased Tims Reveal molds but wasnt aware of any other Vader offerings by him. I will say this though, Tim does good work :)
 
Interesting to know, thanks Onigiri...I guess I figured as much...

Trap Joe yours looks like it is from the Fyberdyne source...did it have a latch on the forehead in the casting? By all accounts it appears to be a very good pull...but yes that was from the time of when they were offered so Tim probably got it from the same source...
 
Interesting to know, thanks Onigiri...I guess I figured as much...

Trap Joe yours looks like it is from the Fyberdyne source...did it have a latch on the forehead in the casting? By all accounts it appears to be a very good pull...but yes that was from the time of when they were offered so Tim probably got it from the same source...

Onigirl: I had this reveal mold for half of a year at my home :). Tim gave it to me and allowed me to kmake a cast for my reveal mask.

No this thing on the forehead wasn´t on it. But I received the faceplate already finished and painted from Tim. Maybe he sanded it of, or it was later added by Fiberdine. That is why I want to know which one was earlier.

Sithlord, can you tell me when Fiberdine started to sell his stuff?
Was it earlier that 1993?
 
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The forehead latch would have been on it originally.

I recall Darth Jones saying he got his "Fyberdyne" in 1985 and saw it just prior to that for the first time so it goes back a ways. But I think the Fyberdyne as we know it is from the mid-90s from I think a Mark from Fyberdyne.
 
Actually, the originator of the Fyberdyne helmet was Jeff W.

The helmet originated from Don Post, and Jeff aquired it. Jeff sold them to Steve's lost land of toys for years in the 80s & 90s.
Fyberdyne got theirs from Steve's lost land of toys.
Fyberdyne was the first to introduce them in any quantity to the prop community which is why people commonly refer to any helmet of this style/lineage as the Fyberdyne.

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Actually, the originator of the Fyberdyne helmet was Jeff W.

The helmet originated from Don Post, and Jeff aquired it. Jeff sold them to Steve's lost land of toys for years in the 80s & 90s.
Fyberdyne got theirs from Steve's lost land of toys.
Fyberdyne was the first to introduce them in any quantity to the prop community which is why people commonly refer to any helmet of this style/lineage as the Fyberdyne.

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Yes, from Don Post originally. Well that is at odds with what Jeff says. He claims he never sold any helmets. And if he did, then he did it without authorization from his source. That makes him a recaster.
 
Jeff got them originally from Don Post. Two different mold sets at two different times. The fyberdyne 'style', and the GH 'style'.
Jeff sold the fyberdyne style for years back in the 80s & 90s. There are only two people he ever traded/sold the second style to. Me and someone else. And that someone else ended up recasting him without his permission and sold tons of pieces to members of this and other forums. And we both know who that person is don't we.


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I started this thread solely for the purpose of adding info as to the origins of propsculptors helmet not for you two to turn it in to another SL and Gino thread and I can already smell it in the wind (smells like Fiberglass and brimstone). All this thread was for was to clear up how that fyberdyne style helmet ended up looking the way it did and not to start another round of 'Vader Wars'.
When I did this work I didnt know what a Fyberdyne helmet was. The casting was in really bad shape and I was asked to clean it up as a favor for what was supposed to be a 'display'. Imagine my surprise when the previously mentioned thread was shown to me :eek. I dont want this thread to get locked like that one did but since the purpose was to inform (which Ive done) this thread can go the way of the DoDo Bird I just dont want it to turn in to something lockable.
Any alterations made to the helmet, ie sharpening, tweaking etc, was done at that time due to a combination of skill and ignorance :lol I didnt realize that some of the things that I saw as sloppy and wanky were (probably) supposed to be there and I adjusted the helmet to fit my own sense of aesthetics not to try and create a new 'lineage' or obfuscate origins. After all this was simply supposed to be a refurbed casting to be put on a costume/mannequin. I dont know anything about the 'origins' of this helmet prior to TE asking me to refurb it nor was I aware (until day before yesterday) that it had been sold/traded and that there was some question as to its pedigree. I 'polished a turd' for a friend for free and Im just glad that some folks liked the work I did.
 
What a trip. You made it look great Onigiri. So the thing that makes me wonder is this helmet Sarge makes know?
 
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The Propsculptor links back to the Fyberdyne with the brow bump, but it was larger, as far as I could tell - especially the dome was much larger and more accurately scaled.

I have to admit that I was probably one of the people who helped shut the Propsculptor run down with my *****ing. I was perhaps a bit overly aggressive when I really shouldn't have been and I apologize for that.
 
Well Oni, It speaks volumes to your work. I say that is polishing a turd something fierce. Good work.

What happened to this helmet?

IIRC, the Fyberdyne is now the Fang, so if this helmet was of the Fyberdyne line was it small?

Here is a Fang next to a 20th C copy.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o199/runnriottt/IMG_0896.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o199/runnriottt/IMG_0894.jpg

HOLY CRAP! that Fang is SMALL!!! ...and I thought the 20th was on the small side...jeez!
 
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