My rep in general on the board.

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hydin

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Lately (mainly the last few days) I have had my reputation as a seller and a person has been dragged around and stomped on. The funny thing is it is mostly by people who have never done business with me. These same people are on the bandwagon to try and get me banned from the JY.

Instead of posting up pm's, and emails, and all sorts of quoted things from months and weeks past, I am going to pop up a simple visual aid. 2 in fact, that I think will prove that I am a good, if not decent seller of things both on and off the board. (I quit visiting the other thread after my last post, so this may be warranted, or not)

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I found these tonight while moving some stuff around, and thought it interesting enough to share as a "rebuttal" of sorts to the accusations that I am a horrible seller and or con artist (depending on what message you read where).

Those pics, in case you were wondering, are the last 6 or 8? or so months of postal "receipts" that you get when you ship something via paypal or usps.gov or ups.com. I started keeping em as a record during the map sale of '06. Out of that 3/4" stack of paper, I have had 1 person who hasn't gotten what they ordered. 1 single individual. 1 sheet.

That stack covers this board, email, and ebay sales. The only negative on my ebay feedback was gotten by "not paying correctly" (i.e. sent check to wrong address, even though thats the one he told me to send it to). The only "negative" on the board, is one single crystal that was lost in the mail. No problems via email at all.

Do I have faults? Yep, I'm human. Have I lost my temper? Yep, call me a liar or a thief and I get mad. I think anyone would. Have I made mistakes? Yep. Who hasn't? Have I owned up to them and said "Yea, I acted like a jerk cause I was mad" instead of editing the posts and hiding what I said? Yep.

Have I tried, repeatedly to fix any problems that have occurred with any of my sales? Yep. Given this last bit of "go around" with Kerr (et all), have I tried repeatedly to fix/solve the issue? Yep. Have I decided to fix it myself after any and all options I offered were turned down? Yep. Have I apologized for the problems? Yep.

1 sheet, 1 problem, 1 person. 1 solution.

I could understand the whole "Hey. Let's be wary. This guys taken money." if there were a group of people still waiting on merchandise already paid for. The simple fact is that there isn't more than 1 person. There isn't a list of people with multiple PMs unanswered and emails gone unread. I haven't been lurking across the board and hiding away under a new nick somewhere. I have been here, pretty much every day, answering questions and talking and posting away like always.

The reason I post this is mainly that it is pretty hard to build up a good rep and keep it going on the boards. I have lots of people who have never done business with me publicly spouting about how I am a horrible person or I am a thief or a con artist, when they haven't lost a single solitary dime with me. I have people forming opinions about my "worth" when they haven't even talked with me. I have people completely ignoring the fact that I have mentioned, repeatedly, I am fixing the latest issue my own way, since all my other options have been shot down.

I am not saying I am perfect, far from it. I didn't start this topic to try to trash anyones rep as a customer or anyones rep at all. I started it to post up a simple pair of pictures that show that out of a rather huge number of people I have dealt with.... 1 person has a problem. A problem I am not legally required to solve, no matter how often people scream thief or liar. A problem I have solved, in my own way, since no other viable option was left to me.

I can say that the crystal run was my last at cost project. It's just not worth the hassle. It's sort of sad when you think you know things work, and suddenly everyone is willing to believe the worst possible things about you because they can.

It was fun while it lasted though.
Chris
 
Chris,
I have done business with you, the latest was 2 maps, and have never had a problem. Sadly, around here it seems when one of the townspeople stand on the steps, point to the castle, and yell "MONSTER", lots of other townspeople run to grab pitchforks (couldn't resist the Frankenstein analogy).

Sadly, Kerr has brought his issue and Chief Inspector "A Riot is an UUUGLY thing" Atacpdx got the bonefire a'burning.

The issue with you and Kerr, in my opinion, does not rise to a Windmill burning (sorry for the Frank reference again, but I am a monster nut), and I will be very dissappointed if the mods see it that way.

Todd
 
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Chris,
I have done business with you, the latest was 2 maps, and have never had a problem. Sadly, around here it seems when one of the townspeople stand on the steps, point to the castle, and yell "MONSTER", lots of other townspeople run to grab pitchforks (couldn't resist the Frankenstein analogy).

Sadly, Kerr has brought his issue and Chief Inspector "I Riot is an UUUGLY thing" Atacpdx got the bonefire a'burning.

The issue with you and Kerr, in my opinion, does not rise to a Windmill burning (sorry for the Frank reference again, but I am a monster nut), and I will be very dissappointed if the mods see it that way.

Todd
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Totally agree Todd.

Joe
 
Yeah, one thing I've noticed on most boards is that there is no reprecussions for yelling Wolf. I wonder how many threads demanding someone to be banned would get started on any board if mods impliment a rule that if you are wrong about your accusations you get banned.

In a court of law you can sue for false accusations. Unfortunately there is no such protection on the Internet.
 
I got no beef with you, buddy. A lot of the comments in there are valid, but in reference to a company selling a product. I think the buyer bears much more of the responsibility in an at-cost hobby run. I know how much work goes into organizing one of those runs - and that's what it is, organizing, not selling - and I would hate to see a run organizer have to take any financial hit out of his own pocket when there's a mistake somewhere along the line. I've seen plenty of runs where costs went unexpectedly high, and most people threw a few extra bucks to the organizer because they understood this dynamic; they knew the work that person was doing on their behalf. It's not like walking into a store and checking the price tag on an item on the shelf. In at-cost runs, the organizer is simply opening a channel for everyone to obtain something, and the way I see it everyone involved is a customer, them included. I don't understand why everyone's so eager to see the one customer who did all the work pay twice.

I understand the frustration there, don't get me wrong, but if it were me I couldn't hold you accountable. You're clear in my book; take care Chris.

- Douglas
 
Well said, Doug. I agree... especially, as I haven't yet had any dealings with Hydin, I'm not one to rashly jump to any conclusions without having any personal experiences in the matter... ;)
 
And surprisingly I'm on hydin's side on this one as well.

We recently had a similar case, a $5 book that was shipped via PayPal USPS to the buyer, and never showed up as scanned. The guy didn't pay insurance (to clarify this was via eBay where insurance is always an option with us). He filed a claim with PayPal and even though we showed we paid shipping out they refunded his money. This was after we tried to work with him, after we tried to come to a simple settlement, but he wanted it all back including shipping (which, sorry, nobody includes shipping loss) and that had us stuck. Well to say we weren't happy with PayPal or the buyer was putting it mildly.

We didn't let it go and kept on PayPal, like hydin, showing a statement from the Postmaster making it clear that if there was no insurance, which was offered from eBay (our Postmaster is very eBay literate) then the obligation is not the buyers to refund anything.

Just as we were dealing with PayPal lo and behold the on-line shipping showed delivery...TWO DAYS PRIOR to the guy having filed his complaint that he never recieved the item. In other words he got the item and thanks to PayPal recieved what essentially became stolen money.

We confronted him about it and he laughed and said "well, tough."

Well as we were filing a counter-claim the guy's FATHER (he was using his account apparently) refunded the money in full so, beyond the negative feedback (one of hundreds) it was all settled.

I'm sure Chris will verify that he and I have had our issues with each other and are far from friends, but the pile-on is very unfair and undeserved. He's tried to make things right, he's tried to come through, and while his record isn't spotless in this case I believe he's done his best to make right.
 
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I'm sure Chris will verify that he and I have had our issues with each other and are far from friends, but the pile-on is very unfair and undeserved. He's tried to make things right, he's tried to come through, and while his record isn't spotless in this case I believe he's done his best to make right.
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Very true. You'll find I'm in complete agreement on this, as well. Now, I'll admit I'm not aware of all of the circumstances surrounding this and whatever other not-so-pleasant transactions he's had in the past. Quite frankly, since that was before I was here it doesn't affect me, and so sorta becomes irrelevent looking back on them.

Despite that (not being entirely "in the know" about all this), I don't think it's right at all for those who haven't even had any dealings with him in this respect to just suddenly jump on the bandwagon and start bashing him simply because it's what everyone else is doing. Though not obligated to, he's clearly trying to do right... :rolleyes
 
Well, I've only had the one transaction with Chris (the LOTR maps) and that went flawlessly.

Aside from some of the threads he starts that make me wonder what painkillers he's on, I've never known him to be a less than stand-up guy from seeing all of his JY threads.

For the amount of projects he takes on, statistically, something is bound to go awry occassionally. I'd say that'a a pretty good track record he got going.

I'd deal with him again in a heartbeat.

-Fred
 
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Well, I've only had the one transaction with Chris (the LOTR maps) and that went flawlessly.

Aside from some of the threads he starts that make me wonder what painkillers he's on, I've never known him to be a less than stand-up guy from seeing all of his JY threads.

For the amount of projects he takes on, statistically, something is bound to go awry occassionally. I'd say that'a a pretty good track record he got going.

I'd deal with him again in a heartbeat.

-Fred
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Same here. I've only dealt with Chris once, but no complaints on this end. As I see it, the PO is the one responsible for what occurred, not Chris. I also don't assume anything. I'll ask if insurance is included. If it isn't, I'll pay the extra charge. Communication is paramount when doing transactions through the net, with relationships or just about anything we do in life. Most of the time, if we sit back and accept responsibility for our actions or lack there of, we will see that certain events could have been avoided if we just asked questions. I'm a big believer in accountability and I don't pass the buck to anyone else. I've been known to jump the gun on certain things, but I'm the first to apologize when I'm wrong. I hope you guys work it out and I'm not referring to just some prop. Life is just too short, don't sweat the small stuff.

Peace
 
I've had more transactions with Hydin over the years than I can remember. He has a good reputation on this board and has contributed a lot to our hobby.

I wouldn't believe for a second that he is up to any shenanigans.

And besides. It is up to the buyer to state if he wants any of the following:

Insurance
Tracking
Express delivery, overnight courier or some other shipping service of his choice
Gift wrapping
His butt wiped
etc.
 
I think this could signal an end to any and all "at cost" projects.
Even when I did the THX138 American Grafitti plate run a few years back I marked up each plate by, if I recall, $2.00 or $3.00? That wasnt there to cover my 100 mile trip or the price of admission, it was to have an extra set of plates on standby incase nobody got theirs. Luckly, everyone did, I even picked a few up for myself but let those go to others that wanted them at the time.

Do I think Hydin ripped anyone off, no.
Its just too bad the USPS lost a package, its happened before and its going to happen again, but regardless, let this be a lesson to everyone, always make insurance manditory on paid items when they are more than the cost of lunch.
 
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Aside from some of the threads he starts that make me wonder what painkillers he's on, .....
-Fred
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I don't care who you are, that's funny.
 
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Do I think Hydin ripped anyone off, no.
Its just too bad the USPS lost a package, its happened before and its going to happen again, but regardless, let this be a lesson to everyone, always make insurance mandatory on paid items when they are more than the cost of lunch.
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That would work , and its always been how i ship items.
Not much worse than paying for an item, having nothing ever arrive, and then get blamed because i didnt request insurance. Now if it was offered and i specifically said 'no' then i would take some blame but honestly, how many of you have paid for JY items and had that question asked. And certainly, how many items have you recieved that didnt have any type of delivery confirmation on?
 
My only deal with Chris so far has been the LOTR maps, and everything went by the numbers. I must say Chris worked hard (above and beyond the call of duty, one might say) to get everything right, and dealt with all the project issues from the QC of the map prints themselves to the troubles of shipping them in an adequate way (the cardboard tube dilemma, folding or not folding the maps etc...)

Nothing but kudos from me, and a thank you for a flawless transaction.
 
Chris, I can't tell you what to do, but I will offer the following...

The most valuable thing that I own isn't any kind of material posession , but rather my name and the reputation it carries. Obviously, this is also important you as well, or you wouldn't have started this thread in order to defend it.

Sometimes, through no fault of our own, stuff likes this happens. Packages get lost. It's a fact. It's neither Kerr's fault nor yours. However, the bottom line is that he paid you for an item and didn't receive it. Your first mistake was in not keeping a few crystals on hand until you could confirm that all of the rpf orders had been received. No big deal, lesson learned for the next time. And as you've stated, this one order aside, the run *has* gone smoothly.

However, all those other deals that went right can all be easily forgotten if you handle the one that didn't in a poor fashion, as I believe you have here. And what are we talking about, a prop with an $80.00 value? Trust me, that amount is nothing when compared to the value of your reputation.

That's priceless.

Shawn
 
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Chris, I can't tell you what to do, but I will offer the following...

The most valuable thing that I own isn't any kind of material posession , but rather my name and the reputation it carries. Obviously, this is also important you as well, or you wouldn't have started this thread in order to defend it.

Sometimes, through no fault of our own, stuff likes this happens. Packages get lost. It's a fact. It's neither Kerr's fault nor yours. However, the bottom line is that he paid you for an item and didn't receive it. Your first mistake was in not keeping a few crystals on hand until you could confirm that all of the rpf orders had been received. No big deal, lesson learned for the next time. And as you've stated, this one order aside, the run *has* gone smoothly.

However, all those other deals that went right can all be easily forgotten if you handle the one that didn't in a poor fashion, as I believe you have here. And what are we talking about, a prop with an $80.00 value? Trust me, that amount is nothing when compared to the value of your reputation.

That's priceless.



Shawn
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Chris. I'm copy pasting M13's comment just so you can read it again. :)
 
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