Marty McFly Safari Shirt - Back to the Future

[BTTF Forum]

How about these shots:
View attachment 467120 View attachment 467123

In both these pictures the lines are clearly dark. There is no doubt that they had more than one shirt on the set. They had stunt guys and needed many shirts for shooting. It may be that they were not all exactly the same. You cannot deny that those lines are not dark.

 

[TheNickFox]

My understanding is that Shah has a copyright on the pattern, not a trademark or a patent. Not sure what the ultimate difference is but they do. I am not sure if there is an on line copyright database. I personally have and own copyrights and am not aware of a way to look those up on the web.

Here are Shah's filed copyrights:

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pw...h7U_khws1nCN&SEQ=20150420220611&CNT=25&HIST=1

None, by name alone would seem to cover this particular design. (Especially since none were filed prior to 1996) That said, a trademark would be a stronger case for a design such as this, since there can be so much prior and subsequent art that is shown to be similar. And copyrights allow for similarity of thinking...and the co-filing of similar designs. Copyrights also allow for derivative and nearly duplicate works.

And some more behind the scenes shots:

Grey:



Lighter grey:



Higher Res of the same Huey Lewis Shot showing the lightness of the pattern:



There is no way to look at THAT image, compare it to the current Shah offering and think they are the same color.

Who knew shades of grey would turn out to be a bigger controversy for BTTF than Hoverboard colors?

-Nick

EDIT: Comparison just for good measure:



...and that is even with the Shah shirt having MUCH brighter natural lighting (lightening it) versus the BTS picture with a yellowy tungsten glow. (darkening it)

 

[BTTF Forum]

I would not rely on that website to provide you a complete picture of all filed copyrights. None of my copyrights came up when I did a search for mine. My last one was in 2010 and would definitely show up if this site had all that was filed. My copyright in 2010 was filed through the Library of Congress so it definitely is in the government records. My paperwork from the Library of Congress confirms the filing.

What this website does tell you is that clearly Shah Safari has taken steps to copyright their designs. That alone should serve as enough evidence for you to see that they as a company have taken steps to protect their work.

Shah Safari would file copyrights on a "strawberry....design" but not protect the companies prize possession?; the shirt that they are most proud of? If you believe that you are disillusioned.


There are those in the current generation that truly believe that if you can't find something on the web, it doesn't exist. That is far from reality.

I am reminded of the librarian at the Jedi Temple. "If it is not in our records it simply doesn't exist" We all know how that turned out.

 

[VilleLeskinen]

First off they are not my shirts, they are Shah Safari's shirts.

My understanding is that Shah has a copyright on the pattern, not a trademark or a patent.

If you're not the copyright holder, don't know what copyrights the alleged copyright holder has, then can you please just stop posting about copyrights? It's cluttering the thread and adds very little to the discussion.

http://www.therpf.com/faq.php?faq=contactquestions#faq_legalissues

 

[BTTF Forum]

Post 167 brought this back to that type of discussion.

 

[MitasTouch]

First off they are not my shirts, they are Shah Safari's shirts. Secondly you understand that they are a multi-million dollar clothing business. This is not charity. If you want to talk about personal gains, having someone rip them off to make money is a worse personal gain than a legitimate business selling their own product.


The lines were dark: View attachment 467108 Unfiltered picture clearly shows that the lines were not faded.
Or even this photo camera shot: View attachment 467110 Lines are plenty dark in this shot with out the distortion of the filtering.

100% of those that have purchased a shirt from the 2014-30th anniversary run are pleased with the shirt.

My understanding is that Shah has a copyright on the pattern, not a trademark or a patent. Not sure what the ultimate difference is but they do. I am not sure if there is an on line copyright database. I personally have and own copyrights and am not aware of a way to look those up on the web.

Mitas you were quick to have said that Shah never made the original shirt, and now you are quoting a new member that claims to have had one made by Shah back in the 80's. Interesting how that has changed. I have no doubt that he may have owned an original shirt and his story is a heart breaking one. At least we can get some acknowledgment that Shah did make the original shirt in 84.

Maybe because that was months ago and I was misinformed. It happens. Don't judge people so harshly.

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Post 167 brought this back to that type of discussion. Not my post. Also I am in constant contact with Shah Safari as I am an agent of theirs.

I believe it was post 173 that really took the reigns on it.

 

[TheNickFox]

To wrap up this intellectual property rigmarole: I've already stated that all I want is proof so that rights can be established. If that can be done, great! I would obviously abide by the terms of the RPF at whatever future juncture that might create. But until then, I'm going to continue doing what we do best here: replication.

To that end, I'm going to be playing around with some ideas for the buttons this week, since I don't have the time to develop a sloper for the pattern right now.

-Nick

 

[BTTF Forum]

Nick. I don't think I have ever said this but I find your quote from Michael at the end of you posts to be both funny and accurate. I cant imagine what the Star Wars world goes through. BTTF fans only have to deal with three movies. Or one long movie depending on your take on sequals. The Star Wars world just keeps getting longer and longer.

 

[MitasTouch]

Did you ever get the material and thickness down Nick?

 

[MitasTouch]

Here is a good picture of the back of the shirt. I didn't know the it was separated like this.

 

[Risu]

That's really interesting. Is that one of the screen used shirts, or a Shah Safari shirt?

 

[MitasTouch]

That's really interesting. Is that one of the screen used shirts, or a Shah Safari shirt?

A Shah Safari shirt. Someone was selling their used on on ebay.

 

[TheNickFox]

Are you just referencing the top yoke? That's a really common feature on dress shirts.

More expensive shirts tend to have a "split yoke" for a better fit across the shoulders and cheaper shirts have a single piece yoke.

Is that what you're referring to or am I missing something?

-Nick

 

[Risu]

That's what he's referring to, but the yoke on that shirt is really, really surprisingly low.

 

[TheNickFox]

That's what he's referring to, but the yoke on that shirt is really, really surprisingly low.

Then, all the more reason to dislike the replica, since this is where it is on the original:



-Nick

 

[Risu]

Definitely higher on the real one, but still weirdly low.

 

[MitasTouch]

That shirt was an XL and Marty's was a small so that could be the reason.

 

[Risu]

That's not really a size grading change, it's a style line. The seam on the Shah shirt looks like it comes out under the arm holes. On a normal shirt, that seam would be at the center of the arm holes or higher.

 

[MitasTouch]

I find it weird that this shirt has never once showed up for sale. It's even more rare than the Guess Marciano jacket and Class-5 vest. At least those two have been on ebay before.

 

[formula388]

I find it weird that this shirt has never once showed up for sale. It's even more rare than the Guess Marciano jacket and Class-5 vest. At least those two have been on ebay before.

To be fair both those items are "longer lasting" then a button down. The shirt is more likely to be stained and trashed or just worn out easier, I get rid of shirts much quicker then jackets and vests.
additionally, to the majority of the public it is not nearly as recognizable as the vest or jacket. So much less likely to be put on eBay.
But I do agree that just adds to the rarity of it.