I need help. Boba Fett Jetpack steam/smoke effect.?? Now finished.

Mordor Brass

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Hi there.
My last personal proyect is a Boba Fett costume. I´ve only finished the helmet and the blaster. Now i´m doing the jetpack.
I would like that the jetpack have got a steam or smoke effect in the exhaust. I´m thinking in use a little CO2 tank with a solenoid valve. I´m not sure if is the best option.
Any sugestion??

This is my jetpack for now (wip).
 
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or faster look at this

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Yeah!! Many thanks!! I imagined something seemed.
One question. That i can use as propel??
A airbrush economy tank?? Or Co2??......
 
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Built it for mine. It's fantastic. You might think about using a RC setup so you don't get tangled up. Used the guts from a 20.00 Radio Shack RC truck
to open the valve.

Use a CO2 tank. More economical.
 
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I should warn, most solenoids are not cryonic. I did a little research on this while working on a theatrical effect. Thing is, CO2 is stored liquid and vaporizes -- sublimates -- as it is allowed to expand. This is explosive expansion, and can shatter fittings that aren't rated for it.
 
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I should warn, most solenoids are not cryonic. I did a little research on this while working on a theatrical effect. Thing is, CO2 is stored liquid and vaporizes -- sublimates -- as it is allowed to expand. This is explosive expansion, and can shatter fittings that aren't rated for it.




Go to the Dented Helmet link mentioned in post #2. At the bottom of the page it has subheading :similar threads. Go to smoking jetpack parts list . Tells you everything you'll need using a more detailed diagram. The braided hose and solenoid are a particular brand rated for cold temps.

I also recommend gutting an RC truck and connecting the transmitter and reciever in the guantlet and the jetpack to electronically open the solenoid valve.
 
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Thanks guys. I´m searching a good solenoid. I think that a solenoid valve truck claxon could work.
In next days i´m going to ask in a near company of charger extinguishers and tecnics gas. I´ll ask for a little co2 tank or co2 extinguisher.
I would like put a RC activation for the jet pack. My Boba Fett helmet has got a RC range finder.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mordorprops/7728748364/in/set-72157629756135165

P.D. How many cost the hydrogen peroxide??? :) hehehe
 
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A friend of mine uses two mini-foggers/ smoke-machines in his backpack with GREAT effect!!!

But these are pretty expensive unless you can find these in used condition.

Markus
 
I need help. Boba Fett Jetpack steam/smoke effect.??

I have a can of compressed air (office cleaner stuff) for my R2 fire extinguisher. when you spray it upside down it fogs up. Very cheap to replace. You just need a rig setup to trigger the nozzle.
 
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I agree with the fire extinguisher idea. I've seen tutorials on YouTube of how to make one work. Good luck!
 
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You can get some from here or distill your own. Propellant Grade Hydrogen Peroxide :: Peroxide Propulsion

You could also look at the co2 bottles they use on paintball guns they are fairly small.

When you say RC do you mean someone else is controlling the system or you have some buttons/knobs on the costume you operate?

A real jetpack is far away for me...... but i like hhehehe.

If the RC is complicate, i´ll try a simple push buttom in the gauntlet and electric wire to the jetpack with a quick connecto for easy dissassembly.
But in first time, i´ll try the RC solenoid. If this not work, i´ll use the wire system.

Thanks

A friend of mine uses two mini-foggers/ smoke-machines in his backpack with GREAT effect!!!

But these are pretty expensive unless you can find these in used condition.

Markus

Yes, the mini fogger is very expensive. Great effect but, expensive machine. I, would like something more economic.


I have a can of compressed air (office cleaner stuff) for my R2 fire extinguisher. when you spray it upside down it fogs up. Very cheap to replace. You just need a rig setup to trigger the nozzle.

Hmmm, Office cleaner......... could work for me.

Many thanks.

I agree with the fire extinguisher idea. I've seen tutorials on YouTube of how to make one work. Good luck!

I think in two options. Fire extiguisher, my favourite, and easy to assembly. Or the Spray can Office Cleaner. Simple and ecconomy.

In nex week i´ll tell you the results.

Many thank guys!!!
 
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A real jetpack is far away for me...... but i like hhehehe.

If the RC is complicate, i´ll try a simple push buttom in the gauntlet and electric wire to the jetpack with a quick connecto for easy dissassembly.
But in first time, i´ll try the RC solenoid. If this not work, i´ll use the wire system.

Thanks



Yes, the mini fogger is very expensive. Great effect but, expensive machine. I, would like something more economic.




Hmmm, Office cleaner......... could work for me.

Many thanks.



I think in two options. Fire extiguisher, my favourite, and easy to assembly. Or the Spray can Office Cleaner. Simple and ecconomy.

In nex week i´ll tell you the results.

Many thank guys!!!


RC setup is not complicated. You hook the transmitter to the toggle in the guantlet and the receiver in the jetpack to the solenoid. Opens the valve electronically. Your making basic circuits.
 
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RC setup is not complicated. You hook the transmitter to the toggle in the guantlet and the receiver in the jetpack to the solenoid. Opens the valve electronically. Your making basic circuits.
Its true, I would reccomend checking out similar threads on TDH....its a sister site to The RPF...
 
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I'm not much help on the smoke, but great build you have there.
 
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Don't forget to put some protection around the valve incase someone hits you with a staff...

Bobawhere.jpg
 
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That Aerocon valve looks like it is rated properly, although I'd still contact the manufacturer before using it.

This is one of those places where intuition and physics butt heads. Lots of systems meter CO2 -- paint ball guns, airbrushes, even fish tanks. But something as simple as turning the tank over changes the parameters completely.

See, if you have an upright tank -- or a non-siphon tank -- you only get dry gas. That's what most of those cheaper valves are expecting. It also doesn't look like anything. To get that big plume of white smoke, you need to release LIQUID to the atmosphere. That means you are running liquid CO2 through your valve. That means that if and when you get a freeze or other blockage in the system, you are allowing expansion from liquid to gas to occur not inside a tank rated to 3,000 PSI, but inside your plumbing.

(It's a little more complicated than that; as you lower the pressure in an upright tank, some of the liquid becomes gas. That increases the pressure again -- a CO2 tank will stabilize at a pressure dependent on temperature. But this whole balancing act depends on their being a cap of gas, and that you are bleeding off gas, not liquid. Hence the anti-siphon loops on...well, yes, even modern paint marker guns.)

And, yes, you can get away with it for a while. I've seen plenty of paint markers run spitty (usually before they get too cold to shoot at all). But if you are talking about letting out enough liquid for a nice big plume, you are talking enough material to shatter cheaper parts and cause you severe injury.

Please. Do the research, talk to the manufacturers, get help from an engineer -- don't just throw together some eBay valves and a 20lb tank and hope it all works.

Incidentally, I'm not an engineer. Not even a physics geek. Just a very careful theater effects person who reads up on things before putting them in actor's hands.
 
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Its true, I would reccomend checking out similar threads on TDH....its a sister site to The RPF...

Thanks, i´m visiting now. Other great forum.

I'm not much help on the smoke, but great build you have there.

Thanks, i hope that you enjoy seen it.

Don't forget to put some protection around the valve incase someone hits you with a staff...

Bobawhere.jpg

Uffff, i´m afraid ehhehe. I wouldn´t like this.

That Aerocon valve looks like it is rated properly, although I'd still contact the manufacturer before using it.

This is one of those places where intuition and physics butt heads. Lots of systems meter CO2 -- paint ball guns, airbrushes, even fish tanks. But something as simple as turning the tank over changes the parameters completely.

See, if you have an upright tank -- or a non-siphon tank -- you only get dry gas. That's what most of those cheaper valves are expecting. It also doesn't look like anything. To get that big plume of white smoke, you need to release LIQUID to the atmosphere. That means you are running liquid CO2 through your valve. That means that if and when you get a freeze or other blockage in the system, you are allowing expansion from liquid to gas to occur not inside a tank rated to 3,000 PSI, but inside your plumbing.

(It's a little more complicated than that; as you lower the pressure in an upright tank, some of the liquid becomes gas. That increases the pressure again -- a CO2 tank will stabilize at a pressure dependent on temperature. But this whole balancing act depends on their being a cap of gas, and that you are bleeding off gas, not liquid. Hence the anti-siphon loops on...well, yes, even modern paint marker guns.)

And, yes, you can get away with it for a while. I've seen plenty of paint markers run spitty (usually before they get too cold to shoot at all). But if you are talking about letting out enough liquid for a nice big plume, you are talking enough material to shatter cheaper parts and cause you severe injury.

Please. Do the research, talk to the manufacturers, get help from an engineer -- don't just throw together some eBay valves and a 20lb tank and hope it all works.

Incidentally, I'm not an engineer. Not even a physics geek. Just a very careful theater effects person who reads up on things before putting them in actor's hands.

Wow. Many thanks.

Today i went at tecnic gas company and the normative for compressed gasses in my country is very restricitive.

I´ve see that is a little dangerus play with Co2. I need a real good solenoid for lower temperature.
Other problem, here (Spain) this solenoids for low temperatures cost over 150$. Very expensive for me. And the Co2 little extinguishers over 50$. Other problem, the manipulation of pressures tanks by perssonal non qualificate is ilegal.

I´m having many problems for found a little tank for liquide Co2 accord to the normative of my country.

For now, i´ll try the spary can.........:confused but i would like a big plume of withe somoke, but....... i´cant.:cry

I´ll update in next days.


Thanks guys.
 
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