Gold Leader Y wing, NiceN kit conversion.
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Re: TIE Killer Y wing, a conversion!
Chose a few to get this a bit further along today. Needed to get it up on a panavise, which had its own problems as clamping up the hull, told me my armature rod was pretty bent.
Some heat, and persuasion with a mallet, a chainsaw, and a small detonator, i managed to right it, and bond up my hull.
I was going to fit the hull's upper and lower electronics ports, but instead ive opted to try find the parts that actually covered them, some kind of shroud, itll be a hunt, but, ill try.
Also playing with the DFV tranny and M23 caliper hull plug, think i have it about right......as i said, it wont be perfect, im hardly an ANH guru :lol, but i need to add the "blob" on the rear of this part......ah, its just a bit of fun TBH.
lee
Chose a few to get this a bit further along today. Needed to get it up on a panavise, which had its own problems as clamping up the hull, told me my armature rod was pretty bent.
Some heat, and persuasion with a mallet, a chainsaw, and a small detonator, i managed to right it, and bond up my hull.
I was going to fit the hull's upper and lower electronics ports, but instead ive opted to try find the parts that actually covered them, some kind of shroud, itll be a hunt, but, ill try.
Also playing with the DFV tranny and M23 caliper hull plug, think i have it about right......as i said, it wont be perfect, im hardly an ANH guru :lol, but i need to add the "blob" on the rear of this part......ah, its just a bit of fun TBH.
lee
MonsieurTox
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Re: TIE Killer Y wing, a conversion!
Wow awesome Lee ! Cant wait to see the paintjob, it'll be a lot of fun for you to do and for us to watch !
Wow awesome Lee ! Cant wait to see the paintjob, it'll be a lot of fun for you to do and for us to watch !
Colin Droidmilk
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Aye, it looks nice, that...
The part that replaces the LEM head looks cool. To me, it's slightly distracting having that whole LEM part there. Of course on screen you'd never see it but having the model up close and personal it's sorta over-recognizable! Makes the back of the ship look like some weird sort of Apollo funeral bier or something lol!
Aye, it looks nice, that...
The part that replaces the LEM head looks cool. To me, it's slightly distracting having that whole LEM part there. Of course on screen you'd never see it but having the model up close and personal it's sorta over-recognizable! Makes the back of the ship look like some weird sort of Apollo funeral bier or something lol!
Colin Droidmilk
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Re: TIE Killer Y wing, a conversion!
Y'know, this touches on a whole thing I've been wanting to discuss for a while - ILMers' selection processes, the thinking and editorial decisions that went into picking a kit part and gluing it on. We could talk about odd ones like this LEM here, and any other ones that bug us, but also the pure genius ones, and the audacious ones, like just using Saturn V cans for huge macro-features such as X and Y engines and so on. Might be interesting.
Y'know, this touches on a whole thing I've been wanting to discuss for a while - ILMers' selection processes, the thinking and editorial decisions that went into picking a kit part and gluing it on. We could talk about odd ones like this LEM here, and any other ones that bug us, but also the pure genius ones, and the audacious ones, like just using Saturn V cans for huge macro-features such as X and Y engines and so on. Might be interesting.
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Its interesting sure, and im sure certain ILM builders, had there staple favorites, such as the Saturn V, Tamiya 8rad and Morser Karl.
I feel, a lof of builds had there own inside jokes too, such as the completely Ferrari based chassis of the TESB ATST......maybe knowing Lucas had a penchant for sports cars, Johnston built that in for good measure?
Ive my own favorite pieces too, and, some that downright disgust me lol, the Skyhopper for one, and many of the Cantwell pieces, plain ugly, kinda lazy part on part building for me i guess, with some plain ugly parts used :lol.
Then the strokes of sheer genius, the Tyrrell chassis' nestled in the butt of the Transport....it just looks sooo right, the butt of the ATAT, every kit part in there, looks, like it should be there. That pretty much goes for the Y wing hull on the whole, and the rear deck of either Falcon.
My favorite kits are, (not a shock to most lol) the Tamiya 1/12 F1's, there are some amazing parts in those kits, so much scope, ill never forget the day i fondled clumsily through the 312b, after an age of hunting, to find the nose cone, is trimmed to fit the Leichter PD pod, its a perfect fit, the thinking behind it.........just genius for such a small insignificant model.
Its hit and miss for me, i think some of the time, its not the kit the builder wanted, it was the sprue or part that lay on the bench that got picked out, toyed with, maybe cut up, and used, because it was there, as simple as that, it was what was to hand, at the time.
It is nice however to get inside the modelers head now and then, Ease, has always intrigued me the most, and the few conversations/questions posed to him.....well, its still all up there, such an amazing talent.
lee
Its interesting sure, and im sure certain ILM builders, had there staple favorites, such as the Saturn V, Tamiya 8rad and Morser Karl.
I feel, a lof of builds had there own inside jokes too, such as the completely Ferrari based chassis of the TESB ATST......maybe knowing Lucas had a penchant for sports cars, Johnston built that in for good measure?
Ive my own favorite pieces too, and, some that downright disgust me lol, the Skyhopper for one, and many of the Cantwell pieces, plain ugly, kinda lazy part on part building for me i guess, with some plain ugly parts used :lol.
Then the strokes of sheer genius, the Tyrrell chassis' nestled in the butt of the Transport....it just looks sooo right, the butt of the ATAT, every kit part in there, looks, like it should be there. That pretty much goes for the Y wing hull on the whole, and the rear deck of either Falcon.
My favorite kits are, (not a shock to most lol) the Tamiya 1/12 F1's, there are some amazing parts in those kits, so much scope, ill never forget the day i fondled clumsily through the 312b, after an age of hunting, to find the nose cone, is trimmed to fit the Leichter PD pod, its a perfect fit, the thinking behind it.........just genius for such a small insignificant model.
Its hit and miss for me, i think some of the time, its not the kit the builder wanted, it was the sprue or part that lay on the bench that got picked out, toyed with, maybe cut up, and used, because it was there, as simple as that, it was what was to hand, at the time.
It is nice however to get inside the modelers head now and then, Ease, has always intrigued me the most, and the few conversations/questions posed to him.....well, its still all up there, such an amazing talent.
lee
Colin Droidmilk
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Yeah, yeah! That's the stuff!
With the big things like X cans and Y cans it's beyond detailing of course. The dimensions of those Sat V parts affect the whole design, the whole shape. I mean with the X ILM got to a point in the design of those engines, and then presumably just downed technical pens after finding the Sat V cans and the Phantoms and just said, 'oh look these are about the right size. We'll just use these.' Lol. What I'm getting at is the relation between the big intakes and the thrusters is sort of an accident caused by the kit parts, it's not fully designed. Which is really flying by the seat of your pants kind of stuff for a big budget movie. I mean you don't get that in 2001 or even in Gerry Anderson's TV shows - not on the main vehicles anyway.
I have more to say on this but me tea's ready. Cheerio!
Yeah, yeah! That's the stuff!
With the big things like X cans and Y cans it's beyond detailing of course. The dimensions of those Sat V parts affect the whole design, the whole shape. I mean with the X ILM got to a point in the design of those engines, and then presumably just downed technical pens after finding the Sat V cans and the Phantoms and just said, 'oh look these are about the right size. We'll just use these.' Lol. What I'm getting at is the relation between the big intakes and the thrusters is sort of an accident caused by the kit parts, it's not fully designed. Which is really flying by the seat of your pants kind of stuff for a big budget movie. I mean you don't get that in 2001 or even in Gerry Anderson's TV shows - not on the main vehicles anyway.
I have more to say on this but me tea's ready. Cheerio!
Re: TIE Killer Y wing, a conversion!
Ahhh, yeah i agree Steve, just a case of opening boxes, and letting the parts do the talking, literally.
They had a rough (very rough in many cases) plan that then had to be carried over into the physical world, some plans worked, other (Sandcrawler) didnt, and had to be adapted, its this adaption, that allowed all those donors, to jump out and shout "im your guy" i fit in that space etc etc....is that what your thinking bud?
lee
Ahhh, yeah i agree Steve, just a case of opening boxes, and letting the parts do the talking, literally.
They had a rough (very rough in many cases) plan that then had to be carried over into the physical world, some plans worked, other (Sandcrawler) didnt, and had to be adapted, its this adaption, that allowed all those donors, to jump out and shout "im your guy" i fit in that space etc etc....is that what your thinking bud?
lee
Colin Droidmilk
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It is indeed! But back to the smaller stuff, despite what I said about the LEM I never actually noticed it in 35 years of looking at that big pic of the Red Y in the Famous Spaceships magazine, lol! And I always wanted to own that model in that pic exactly as it was - I now have that so should shut up about the obviousness of the LEM part, tee hee!
I'm not a kit part identifier AT ALL, as you can see (you guys never cease blowing my mind in this department).
But I've become very interested in examining ILM's technique in kit part selection and arrangement as I've - for the first time in my life - been having to detail an original model of my own design, and it's really quite hard, but enormous fun, trying to come up with something convincing-looking. You have to watch the rhythms. Get a feel for where there should be space and where there should be incident. I've even been doing a bit of this on part of my Y as there's one area I'm just not going to accept, which is the sparse detail on the lower starboard wall of the big 'junction box' thing on the fuse neck. There's just one chunky riveted plate there, and I much prefer the intricacy of the later Ys in this area, and since this is the only Y I'm ever going to acquire I decided, eff it, I'll go ahead and commit this blasphemy on the poor old jammer. I don't have the parts that would go there on the later Ys, so I'm going to do my own thing there, just a little 2 cm area, but hopefully sufficiently in the style of ILM so that it blends in pretty seamlessly. But it's reaaal tricky! ( but lotsa fun.)
Another thing I've always wanted to ask you gurus. At what point in your lives did you realise the X and Y cans came from the Sat V kit? I only found out about 4 years back when I got seriously back into all this geek stuff. It amuses me now to realise that when Star Wars came out I actually had all these engines from the ships just sitting there on my bedroom windowsill staring out at me from my old 1973 Saturn V stack (the model's still there after all these years!), and I'd be there on my bed mooning over the Famous Spaceshios mag looking at these so out-of-reach objects, ha ha ha!
It is indeed! But back to the smaller stuff, despite what I said about the LEM I never actually noticed it in 35 years of looking at that big pic of the Red Y in the Famous Spaceships magazine, lol! And I always wanted to own that model in that pic exactly as it was - I now have that so should shut up about the obviousness of the LEM part, tee hee!
I'm not a kit part identifier AT ALL, as you can see (you guys never cease blowing my mind in this department).
But I've become very interested in examining ILM's technique in kit part selection and arrangement as I've - for the first time in my life - been having to detail an original model of my own design, and it's really quite hard, but enormous fun, trying to come up with something convincing-looking. You have to watch the rhythms. Get a feel for where there should be space and where there should be incident. I've even been doing a bit of this on part of my Y as there's one area I'm just not going to accept, which is the sparse detail on the lower starboard wall of the big 'junction box' thing on the fuse neck. There's just one chunky riveted plate there, and I much prefer the intricacy of the later Ys in this area, and since this is the only Y I'm ever going to acquire I decided, eff it, I'll go ahead and commit this blasphemy on the poor old jammer. I don't have the parts that would go there on the later Ys, so I'm going to do my own thing there, just a little 2 cm area, but hopefully sufficiently in the style of ILM so that it blends in pretty seamlessly. But it's reaaal tricky! ( but lotsa fun.)
Another thing I've always wanted to ask you gurus. At what point in your lives did you realise the X and Y cans came from the Sat V kit? I only found out about 4 years back when I got seriously back into all this geek stuff. It amuses me now to realise that when Star Wars came out I actually had all these engines from the ships just sitting there on my bedroom windowsill staring out at me from my old 1973 Saturn V stack (the model's still there after all these years!), and I'd be there on my bed mooning over the Famous Spaceshios mag looking at these so out-of-reach objects, ha ha ha!
jedimaster
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I bet Lee was sitting in the cinema in 77..... While everyone was watching the movie .. Lee was shouting.... Airfix Saturn V, 1/72 Hasegawa Sherman, 1/24 Messer etc as the ships flew past and everyone told him to shut up.
I bet Lee was sitting in the cinema in 77..... While everyone was watching the movie .. Lee was shouting.... Airfix Saturn V, 1/72 Hasegawa Sherman, 1/24 Messer etc as the ships flew past and everyone told him to shut up.
Re: TIE Killer Y wing, a conversion!
LMAO @Simon......seriously, i almost spat my cup of Tea out. '77, well id have been a tad young being born in '74 mate, but, it hasnt stoppedme doing that in later life......the wife and kids struggle to watch the OT with me now as i talk through the movie about kit parts and color hues :lol.
So Simon is half right :lol.
Steve, smaller parts indeed, which, kind brings me back to the ATAT butt end, go look at it, seriously, its a work of genius, or, sheer accident.
I mean, the ATAT butt is angled either side, and sat right there in the centre, is an Sd Kfz 223 hull, which marries up almost perfectly....and then the parts around it, are just so apt.....its a what came first moment, the ATAT body or the Tamiya 223 LOL.
bests.......lee
LMAO @Simon......seriously, i almost spat my cup of Tea out. '77, well id have been a tad young being born in '74 mate, but, it hasnt stoppedme doing that in later life......the wife and kids struggle to watch the OT with me now as i talk through the movie about kit parts and color hues :lol.
So Simon is half right :lol.
Steve, smaller parts indeed, which, kind brings me back to the ATAT butt end, go look at it, seriously, its a work of genius, or, sheer accident.
I mean, the ATAT butt is angled either side, and sat right there in the centre, is an Sd Kfz 223 hull, which marries up almost perfectly....and then the parts around it, are just so apt.....its a what came first moment, the ATAT body or the Tamiya 223 LOL.
bests.......lee
Colin Droidmilk
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Had a look and you're right Lee - mighty fine posterior on the ol' walker.
Had a look and you're right Lee - mighty fine posterior on the ol' walker.
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