Could Blade Runner have been hurt by Harrison Ford's casting as Deckard?

Jet Beetle

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I was watching "The Edge of Blade Runner" tonight, which, to me is a fantastic little doc put together the way I like to see docs done. A little of "here's where they shot this"... coupled with old interviews and lost scenes. While taking all of this in I remembered my introduction to the movie - the "Ultimate Fantasy" convention held in Houston (which has gone down as the WORST sci-fi convention ever to take place because of unorganized events and money being stolen by those running the show) - they had a small room dedicated to movie trailers and being 11 and pooped my best friend and I went in and watched a handful of previews - the first was TRON, then a small one for Time Bandits, The Wrath of Khan and then Blade Runner - which looked to two 11yr olds like a boring movie we had no interest in -- not when something like TRON was in it's way (haha). It would take years before i sat down and watched the movie open to close and a few years even later for me to understand and really enjoy the story (mostly thanks to an older cousin who explained the movie to me - thanks Pete).

Anyway, Harrison at that point in time was known as Han Solo and soon would be equally tied to Indiana Jones (filming Raiders when he met Ridley). These two characters are John Wayne non-complicated heroes who only deal in black and white - the good guys and bad guys are blindingly defined, as is the goal and objectives set up on the character's quest. Decker's journey is not so clean cut. His definitions are re-written by Rachel and by Roy later in the film. Being that Ford's kinship lie with less complicated situations, perhaps audiences lost the compass in him they were used to. Perhaps, casting someone else who came in with less baggage may have given the filmgoers a way into the world but not tied them to someone who always has the right answer to any situation.

I know some are going to say I'm giving audiences too much credit and BR was a victim of it's own bleak vision and being ahead of it's time. I don't buy that thanks to the work done on Twilight Zone - where heroes and villains trade hats and situations go from mundane to surreal often. Ridley had said in one interview he saw Decker as a cop who was really at the end of his run, a burnout who had given the force his best years and had nothing to show for it. No wife. No family. No future. The fact that he is lost in this emotional state is what leaves him open to fall for Rachel - the one thing he has always hunted. He also said if he could have gone with an older actor, he would have. A Steve McQueen type maybe. Ford was still young. His surrender to the profession is self imposed, not because he's too old to keep up with these newer models they are producing. I also find it hard to see Ford pressured into a romance thanks to where his life is. A character with these issues would have been interesting - more interesting in my opinion.

I do think the movie missed thanks to when it came out - ET was right around the corner and it proved people wanted to feel good about the movies they saw. But I can't help but wonder what may have happened if they had cast someone else as Decker. Someone without an action figure on the toy shelves.
 
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Just reading the "Making of" book, they had Dustin Hoffman ready to play Decker before he pulled out and they got Ford to do it.
 
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Mitchem was suggested by the Hampton Fancher the original script writer, or at least he was the character he was envisioning when writing it, but the only actor I remeber they were seriously considering before Ford was Dustin Hoffman believe it or not.

I can talk from my own experience because I had seen Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Indiana Jones, before seeing Blade Runner. So as far as my own point of view, it threw me for sure, and didn't prepare me for what I saw in Blade Runner. I wasn't crazy about the film at first, but it did give me a little itch that made me go back and check it out again...and again. Supposedly the first couple days box office weren't too bad, but by Sunday it died off.

In the end I think he made the character his own, and it showed that he had more range as an actor, at a time he could have been pigeon holed into the Hero roles. I do agree though it may have hurt the initial box office take. I think many of the comment cards from the previews stated exactly what we are talking about too. That they were disturbed by Harrison playing such an ambiguous role, and they were looking for more Han and Indy. One of the things with Blade Runner though is that no matter who the main actor was, I think the real fan base didn't exist yet, the film itself created that fan base over time. The movie was that different at the time.

Andy
 
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Decker? Decker? Who is this "Decker"? :p

But yeah, it's a factor that was observed at the time, or shortly after. At least very early on in the process of becoming a cult film. I first recall hearing of it in connection with the infamous Texas test screening, but I can't remember for sure if they were claiming a causal relationship, or if it was just juxtaposition by the writer of the article. Andy's recollection seems to support the former though.
 
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Ridley had said in one interview he saw Decker as a cop who was really at the end of his run, a burnout who had given the force his best years and had nothing to show for it. No wife. No family. No future. The fact that he is lost in this emotional state is what leaves him open to fall for Rachel - the one thing he has always hunted.

So Deckard has no life, a failed marriage, hates his old job but can't do anything else, and (I assume) is bad with women...

So he goes for a robot.


I'll never look at the film the same way again! :lol


On a more serious note, maybe it's just my bias but I can't picture anyone BUT Ford in the role.


Kevin
 
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I don't care who would have been cast as Deckard it still would have failed.

That was the summer of E.T. and Bladerunner was not the only film to feel E.T.'s wrath, ie Carpenter's "The Thing".




As far as the worst Sci-Fi con, that was, "Kling-Con" held in beautiful Tysons corner Va.

At least from a dealers point of view, there was not one con-goer that showed up.

Zero, zip, nada! :lol

The only thing that saved that con was Ed M. showing me the original TOS Tholian ship he was restoring.

Well that and the booze and orgy in the room later that night but that's another tale best told in person! :)





the "Ultimate Fantasy" convention held in Houston (which has gone down as the WORST sci-fi convention ever to take place because of unorganized events and money being stolen by those running the show)
 
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It's a dark movie. Both in theme and in visuals. They get artsy cred but don't do as well.

It's beautifully shot, well cast, well acted, ....and boring. Deckard walks around with no urgency. There's no deadline.

Nice gun though.
 
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Part of it is certainly its tone and pace and deeper message as opposed to a superficial thrill ride - but you raise an interesting point. I've never thought about it before, but there is an audience expectation for clarity that comes along with Ford. He's supposed to be a rock, and when you plant him in something ambiguous the audience keeps feeling around for that anchor without finding it. I don't think anything's wrong with Ford's portrayal, but that expectation is tied to him regardless. Another actor could have let the audience sink a bit more into the world and the narrative on the story's terms, rather than believing they have a good amount of knowledge coming in: "there's Harrison Ford, so there's our infallible hero."
 
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Ford was perfect. The right actor at the right time.
 
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Ford was perfect. The right actor at the right time.

I agree, I used to think about other actors but can't imagine how can they beat Ford in this role. Probably because he is one of my fav actor but I love how Blade runner turned out with him.
 
I like Blade runner as it is. It's art and story without baggage or CGI overload. The pacing is as slow as it's meant to be. I try never to compare one actor against another any more than I try to compare one movie against another. I know what I like outside of public opinion and numbers. Pure and simple, Harrison is Deckard to me. Any what ifs would sully what I like about it.
 
Okay we all love Ford in this role-

But there's no denying what Westies was talking about (which is kind of the question Jet was asking):


With Ford coming off the success of Star Wars, ESB and Raiders, is it possible that the viewing audience went in with certain expectations and "didn't get the movie they thought they would".

I think this is very possible. Sci-Fi film, Harrison "Han Solo" Ford in the lead, many shots of the spinner in the trailer, etc.

I'm sure just about everyone went into the theaters in 1982 with a preconceived notion of what the film "might" be.

Let me put it this way- I actually saw this film in the theater in 1982. I was 12 years old (in Canada the film was rated Adult Accompaniment meaning if you were under 14 years of age you needed an adult with you).

My Mother took me to see the film. I am 100% sure that she figured it was Harrison Ford, so this must be an action oriented sci-fi film.

It was most definitely not what she expected. She told me to "wait in the lobby" after Tyrell had his eyeballs pushed in. I never actually got to see the rest of the film until it was shown uncut on television in 1985 or so.


So yes I think it's possible that Ford may have created a prejudice with the audience that ended up having a negative effect on the box office take back then.

Sure E.T. didn't help- but a lot of films suffered from E.T.. And 1982 was a big year for movies- First Blood, Star Trek II, Firefox, Tootsie, Poltergiest, Gandhi, Rocky III, The Verdict, Porky's, and who can forget Cat People! :lol

But Blade Runner didn't just suffer, it was a flop when it "should" have been a success.


Kevin
 
I see lots of movie marketed all wrong.

It might be marketed as a hilarious comedy when in fact it is more of a drama. If people went into the movie expecting a drama, they might have enjoyed it more, instead all they see is a comedy that isnt funny.

People, including movie critics, at the time of the release went into Blade Runner expecting an action-packed futuristic sci-fi adventure and instead got a deeply philosophical drama about a dystopian future. They didnt see it for what it was, they just saw it as not a very good action sci-fi movie.
 
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I don't know how it was marketed at the time, but I'm not sure what the right way to market a movie like this is.
 
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