Blade runner other characters ID numbers

[eethan]

Hello there,
I'm currently working on a project replicating very accurately blade runner badges and I want to create a badge for Gaff, Bryant and Holden as well.

well, first, I used Harry Bryant and Dave Holden for the names of those characters and I hope this is correct and accepted by everyone.
For Gaff, I looked everywhere and it seems he never has a real name. I decided to go with Edward Gaff as a fun nod to Edward James Olmos and I thought it sounded nice. This also allowed me to use the actor autograph as a base for the signature of Gaff, which is cool and authentic looking.

Now, the big questions, is for the ID numbers. Let's not get started on Deckard number please, but what would be your take on those 3 other characters? I think they don't exist anywhere, so I would have to make them up anyways.

I was thinking about actors birthdates as a base maybe. Maybe a shorter one for Bryant as he is older. maybe longer ones for Gaff and Holden as they are younger and james Jacobson has a longer number.

thank you for your help guys

here is a WIP pic to show I'm really working on that (sorry for the watermarks, some people love stealing stuff)

 

[eethan]

oh yes, and the "B" in front of the number, no idea if I should use that on all. No one really knows if it means "blade runner" in which case, maybe Bryant shouldn't have one. (or should he?).
My idea is that those badges were given when those guys started young, they were in paper and they carried them with them all the time. they got quite used and at some point, they plastified all the badges to avoid them getting more damaged. This idea would go against the B for blade runner as they probably didn't start as blade runners, just basic beat cop or something.

 

[userd1402]

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[eethan]

Ford does actually say at one point (I think at Zhora’s retirement) “Blade Runner ... two sixty three fifty four“ so it’s not unreasonable to assume the B stands for Blade Runner. He catches himself and pauses where the “B” would sit.

thanks for your input
it makes sense that the B is blade runner, two questions, in your opinion what does the J stand for in James Jacobson's ID? and then, do you think that the 4 characters I'm interested in are all considered blade runners and should then get a B ID number?
cheers

 

[eethan]

No one else wants to give his opinion about that?
in the meantime, here is my take on Bryant's badge.

 

[division 6]

Some time back Eltee did a Holden badge and gave a copy to the actor.
I've seen a few Gaff badges as well.
If not here then over on Propsummit where all the heavy BR research goes on.

Search the forums, the threads my still be around.

 

[eethan]

Some time back Eltee did a Holden badge and gave a copy to the actor.
I've seen a few Gaff badges as well.
If not here then over on Propsummit where all the heavy BR research goes on.

Search the forums, the threads my still be around.

thanks, yes I've started by searching on propsummit for a couple days. I didn't find anything really informative apart from finally reading the Tom Southwell Q and A thread, which was quite informative about other things.
I've seen one Gaff ID there but didn't find the Holden badge yet.

I'm still struggling with the ID numbers so far. I've decided on all the names and I finished Deckard and Gaff picture. I made a picture for Bryant as well but I would prefer a young picture for my story. I'm struggling with Holden picture thoug, I made one but I'm not happy with it! pretty hard to find nice photos of this actor.

 

[division 6]

Digging through my notebooks I found notes on my blade runner project years ago.
Not sure if I made up the numbers or someone else did but here's what I have.
Dave Holden B 263~48
Gaff B 253~77
Harry Bryant B 253~02

 

[eethan]

thanks for looking
this is probably made up but in any case, this at least goes in the direction of using the B for all of them. thanks

I made a bit more digging on propsummit, the only new thing i came up with is that some people mentioned they wouldn't like Gaff with a Hat on the picture. I was questioning myself about this issue and thought Gaff was such a nice dresser that he would insist on keeping the hat, but I will try to make a nice photo with no hat as it's more logical, although probbaly less artistically pleasing

 

[ZeroSum]

For Gaff, I looked everywhere and it seems he never has a real name.

Can't it just be Gaff?

 

[eethan]

it's just weird for an official id to not have a first name. no?

 

[eethan]

So, I went ahead and made a new version of Gaff picture, without the hat. I actually like it, so this will probably be without the hat in the end
this is a printed sample, not on the final paper and the printer maybe wasn't warm enough yet, but I prefer showing a printed sample than the computer files:

 

[seekerofgiants]

I always assumed the B stood for Blade Runner. In regards to Bryant, it would make sense for him to also have a B at the beginning of his number since he was the captain of the Blade Runner Unit. I think using birthdays would be cool idea, maybe try throwing in some references to other parts of the blade runner world, like having Holden's number involve 1187. Just my two cents. In any case, the badges look awesome. I love the Gaff without the hat!

 

[eethan]

thank you very much, that's the kind of input I'm looking for
guys, don't hesitate to throw any intel at me!

 

[eethan]

so, using birth date for secondary characters and trying to get a sense of old detectives vs younger detectives, we would get:
Rick Deckard B263-54
Harry Bryant B223-35
Edward Gaff B2402-947
Dave Holden B1512-944

I wasn't going to give a higher number to Gaff compared to Holden, but it seems that Holden's actor is older than Gaff, so maybe it makes sense.

Another idea I'm throwing out there for debate, I made sure to keep the two typos in the english text at the back of the IDs, I was thinking that maybe I would correct those typos on Gaff and Holden's badges, like if those were spoted at some point and corrected on later badges.

what do you guys think?

 

[eethan]

ok, last couple thing, I tried the numbers on the badges, B2402-947 for Gaff is a bit too long visualy. Jacobson number had a 1 inside which was making it shorter.
so, in the end, B242-947 would work better for Gaff and would locate him between Deckard and Holden probably. Holden's number works nicelly as it has two 1 in the four digit number.

And small detail, do you guys think the circle thingy at the bottom of the front is a barcode of some sort and should be different on all? I discussed that with my girlfriend and we disagree on that. I think the square thingy on the left is an electronic chip that will always be the same and the circle at the bottom is a barcode and she thinks they are both chips and should be always similar. Please tell me what you feel

looking forward to hear what people think

 

[userd1402]

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[eethan]

thanks for your input

my opinion is that the iregular shapes of the round one makes me think of a barecode. But I guess some kind of chips may have iregular paterns like so.

 

[seekerofgiants]

In regards to timing with Holden and Gaff, I believe that Holden is implied to be older than Gaff, in this deleted scene:

Bryant refers to Holden and Deckard as "two old blade runners." Also, if I remember correctly in the deleted scene where Deckard visits Holden, it's shown that they've been friends with each other for a while. So by looking at these, I would say that Holden is probably older than Gaff

 

[eethan]

you are right, great intel, thanks

so, to make it fit, Gaff could be B2421-947