Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

[ower]

The first one, I'll give you that, but Winter Soldier was better than both Avengers movies IMO.

Yeah, after I posted that I started thinking about it. WS wasn't that bad and I forgot about Antman. I was not a fan of that either. To be fair though, I've never been a fan of Captain America even as a comic fan.

As I said elsewhere if you've been watch The Flash TV show DC has kinda popped a can of worms open with time travel,earth two,and those fifty two dimensional portals;The way I see it they can do whatever now and if it bombs? write it off as one of those other dimensions/alternate earths.

So I have to wonder if Suicide Squad is going to be in the same place (literally) as BVS,now the upcoming WW,Aqua Man I'm sure are as they tie in to JL.

So we'll see.

SS is the same Universe as BVS

 

[ower]

If you think CA: The Winter Soldier wasn't impressive I'm officially at a loss for words.

By the way, thanks for giving me your schedule for what movies you'll be seeing next year....I was dying to hear your itinerary. :rolleyes

Just mad because I pooped in your little DC vs Marvel fanboy circle jerk. Protip: you're allowed to like both and go see both or neither.

 

[JD]

I guess the biggest shame of this trailer is that it pretty much reveals that this isn't Batman v Superman (with some Wonder Woman). It (appears) to show the whole turning point of the movie - the expected Batman and Superman team-up against Doomsday or whomever the creature with the Godzilla-esque scream ends up being.

 

[Zombie_61]

...Eisenberg has surpassed my expectations of completely ruining this movie and Lex Luthor. What an absolutely catastrophic miscasting.

...Eisenberg? What ... the ... heck? The voice? Did someone cut his nads or something?
If he just played himself that would have been better than what he was trying to do here. Just awful beyond words...
The key to being your stereotypical eccentric villain (which he's trying to do, no doubt) is that you has to have presence and charisma. Hackman, Spacey and Leger sold their roles with heaps of both. Eisenberg demonstrates neither so he's just annoying.

Just to be clear, this is pure speculation on my part. I think the Lex Luthor we saw in the latest trailer is the character deliberately acting nerdy and goofy in public so that no one will catch on to the fact that he's really a genius with malicious plans in the works. It's subterfuge, an act so that no one will discover he's the man behind the curtain until it's too late.

 

[cayman shen]

On reflection, the worst part for me was the "witty" banter between Bats and Supes. "I thought she was with you?" Ugh. Brought me right back to Clooney and O'Donnel.

 

[dascoyne]

Just to be clear, this is pure speculation on my part. I think the Lex Luthor we saw in the latest trailer is the character deliberately acting nerdy and goofy in public so that no one will catch on to the fact that he's really a genius with malicious plans in the works. It's subterfuge, an act so that no one will discover he's the man behind the curtain until it's too late.

Of course it's subterfuge but that's not the point.
That didn't come across as "nerdy." It was like a bad actor's interpretation of "eccentric."

 

[airair]

the tone of the film is very confusing.
i was expecting more of the serious man of steel.
seeing Batman opposite a cgi monster is a strange look

 

[Mektar]

On reflection, the worst part for me was the "witty" banter between Bats and Supes. "I thought she was with you?" Ugh. Brought me right back to Clooney and O'Donnel.

Plenty of moments like that in the comics and the animated tho..

 

[Axlotl]

I'm on the fence with this one.

Cavill is a lousy Clark Kent.
Amy Adams is a lousy Lois Lane.
Jesse Eisenberg is a lousy Lex Luthor.
CGI monster is just plain dumb.

I'm digging Afleck as Batman, though.
And so far I'm impressed by what I've seen of Wonder Woman. She may be the best surprise this movie has to offer.
If they left any surprises...
I feel like I just saw the whole film.
Why should I pay $15 to see this now when I know what's going to happen?

 

[Brent M]

Just mad because I pooped in your little DC vs Marvel fanboy circle jerk. Protip: you're allowed to like both and go see both or neither.

For the record, I actually liked Man of Steel so it's not a Marvel vs. DC issue for me. Nice try with the mind reading skills.

 

[cayman shen]

Plenty of moments like that in the comics and the animated tho..

But not in Man of Steel. The tone isn't right for a sequel to that movie if we have witty banter between Bats and Supes, imo.

 

[third3ye]

:lol Language NSFW btw

 

[.:MirrorminD:.]

Who would have thought that my biggest concern was Wonder Woman when it was announced,...and now that's the only thing I'm looking forward to in this movie.

 

[AJTaliesen]

:lol Language NSFW btw

Never seen those guys before, but I enjoyed that.

 

[matty matt]

Yeah, those guys were right on point. That was funny.

 

[Probe Droid]

Props to Affleck, who I always found a good choice and nothing I'm seeing changes my mind, but otherwise there's nothing here inspiring me to drop $ on this. A library freebie sometime next year. I can wait quite easily.

 

[Brent M]

Those guys were funny as hell. :lol

 

[niennumb1]

That video touched on so many great things I agree with.

This is what i've been saying all along when I heard about how many faces were expected to be in this film. It's too much, too soon. I know DC is trying to "catch up" but I don't see why they feel they need to try and get a team-up film along the same lines of where the Avengers are at now. There's NO NEED for any comic property to rush! DC has GREAT characters and they should give their property some time to grow and coexist before Justice League.

Marvel, whether you love them or not and not making this a love/hate between DC/Marvel (For the record I love characters from both), Marvel did their due diligence to make sure solo films were made to develop the team chemistry that we see now. Had there been no Thor or Captain America (etc) film, I would not care much for either. But now that I have had a chance to see each character have some time spent on their own and get a feel for knowing them, seeing them as a team just feels a lot more amazing than simply throwing these characters together right off the bat (no pun intended) without knowing anything prior to their cinematic character development.

At least ESPECIALLY with the trinity of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman.... they are each very important roles and should have had their own independent story to show before their eventual bringing together. I'm not saying re-tell the Bruce Wayne child experiences for Batman, but just make a great DCU entry for Batman and then have the conflict between Superman and him as a separate film. Get the WW film made and released... THEN you got the nice rich setup of characters to come together and do the team thing.

You can bring in secondary characters into someone else's film, but doing this with heavy-hitters as a side-part to a film just makes it weaker in my opinion.

I would LOVE to see this team up, just not right now. I REALLY want to see a Wonder Woman film before I see the trinity come together. I would be okay with it being a Superman Batman vs. film and standalone like that if it had to be that way. We all have seen lots of Batman stories. If they have to do it this way, then just leave it as Batman/Superman. They're 2 big characters. I really don't believe there is enough screen time to fit both Bats and Wonder Woman into the picture in their introduction to the new DC Cinematic Universe.

I didn't even touch on Doomsday. Why ALSO bring in such a heavy-hitter baddie so early on?! Too much to absorb.

And as a side note.. cripes DC... WHY can't the TV shows coexist with the film universe?! People already LOVE what they've done with Flash and Arrow.

 

[dascoyne]

I feel like the DC/Warner folks are still chained to the old movie studio method of film production where major creative decisions are made at the executive level.

Lex Jr.: They cast Jesse specifically to appeal to the "young" and "hip" demographic. With Ben (old) and Cavill (receding hairline) we have a film anchored by two mature characters. So they wanted a popular young actor. Jesse has youth appeal and is a box office draw.
WW: Similarly they had to go for the female viewers so they shoehorned WW into this. I really hope her part is at least well written but I have no way of telling at this point.
Doomsday: They wanted a popular villain. It reminds me of when Sony mandated that Raimi put Venom in his third Spider-Man film. We get a half-assed half-hearted treatment from a director/writer who is flogged into compliance. In BvS I can see DC/Warner calculating they needed a first rate comic baddie and simply charged Zach with making it happen.

If the execs had any comic fans instead of corporate "yes men" in the fold then they might have known better.

 

[niennumb1]

I feel like the DC/Warner folks are still chained to the old movie studio method of film production where major creative decisions are made at the executive level.

Lex Jr.: They cast Jesse specifically to appeal to the "young" and "hip" demographic. With Ben (old) and Cavill (receding hairline) we have a film anchored by two mature characters. So they wanted a popular young actor. Jesse has youth appeal and is a box office draw.
WW: Similarly they had to go for the female viewers so they shoehorned WW into this. I really hope her part is at least well written but I have no way of telling at this point.
Doomsday: They wanted a popular villain. It reminds me of when Sony mandated that Raimi put Venom in his third Spider-Man film. We get a half-assed half-hearted treatment from a director/writer who is flogged into compliance. In BvS I can see DC/Warner calculating they needed a first rate comic baddie and simply charged Zach with making it happen.

If the execs had any comic fans instead of corporate "yes men" in the fold then they might have known better.

I wouldn't doubt if your theory was completely spot-on. It's also one of the absolute dumbest things you can do when dealing with a property that almost instantly sells based on the name alone. With big-name appeal heroes like these, I think what is more important is doing it right than casting a mix of talent that is designed to bring in all age groups based on actor age/hip appeal alone. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman attracts ALL ages. Get the right people to best portray these characters the way the source material has laid out over the years and just make a faithful movie translation. The people will follow.