Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Post-release)

I'm confused what your basis for this statement is? From what we see in the film, WW can take just as much as Supes during the Doomsday fight. They take similar hits and she stands toe to toe with Doomsday for a while. And besides, Superman was weakened by the kryptonite, so much so that he, uh, DIED. So you're saying WW couldn't wield the spear and kill Doomsday because she isn't as strong as a kryptonite weakened Supes?

Not saying that it should've been as easy as tossing the spear to WW and everyone leaves happy, but your reasoning for why it didn't occur doesn't sit right with me.

I watched it again today. WW held him with the lasso, Batman shot him with Krytonite, leaving Superman to spear him. It's pretty simple. If WW stopped to get the spear, if she even knew where it was, Superman would have had to continue fighting him, because the Krytonite wore off quickly as we saw twice prior.
 
Just came from the movie. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting... I still feel there was quite a bit of a mess going on that could've and should've been cleaned up.

Outside of way too much killing by Batman, Affleck was perfect. I feel they missed a huge chunk of the character by Batman either killing or being responsible for too many deaths. There was potential for a huge character arc that they threw out the window - we could've had a Batman who was meticulous about not killing, finally come to grips that he had to kill Superman.

Cavill... ugh. You know when Gal Gadot out acts you in a movie, you're not going to stand a chance going up against Affleck. Cavill was a huge weak point for me. Gal did pretty darn good in her own right.

There are many nits to pick, but I'll stick with one for now, maybe I missed someone commenting on it already - but, it's been bugging the heck out of me....

Batman is an amazing detective... yet, he needs to steal Luthor's files, decrypt them and go through all kinds of headaches to find out the White Portuguese is a boat? I guess Bats never heard of Google.
 
I watched it again today. WW held him with the lasso, Batman shot him with Krytonite, leaving Superman to spear him. It's pretty simple. If WW stopped to get the spear, if she even knew where it was, Superman would have had to continue fighting him, because the Krytonite wore off quickly as we saw twice prior.

No, its not pretty simple, at least it shouldnt have been. You cant make Superman be a big martyr when people were still split down the middle about how they were feeling about him, or else his death means nothing. Like it did. You dont feel shocked at all, because Superman is a whiny dick in this movie. Im telling you, this whole movie was just a plug for Justice League/Batman movies. Seriously. Thats all it is. Has anyone mentioned another solo Superman movie after this? No, of course not, because Hack Snyder ruined the damn character.
 
Batman is an amazing detective... yet, he needs to steal Luthor's files, decrypt them and go through all kinds of headaches to find out the White Portuguese is a boat? I guess Bats never heard of Google.

Comic and cartoon Batman is an amazing detective.

Movie batman is a few years practice from being even as good as Shaggy and Scooby.
 
No, its not pretty simple, at least it shouldnt have been. You cant make Superman be a big martyr when people were still split down the middle about how they were feeling about him, or else his death means nothing. Like it did. You dont feel shocked at all, because Superman is a whiny dick in this movie. Im telling you, this whole movie was just a plug for Justice League/Batman movies. Seriously. Thats all it is. Has anyone mentioned another solo Superman movie after this? No, of course not, because Hack Snyder ruined the damn character.

That's a little silly. We all know his death means nothing, because he's Superman. We know he'll come back.

We also aren't talking about another solo Superman movie because... again, he's dead, and as you already so subtly suggested, they have bigger places to go with these characters than another individual Superman.

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Comic and cartoon Batman is an amazing detective.

Movie batman is a few years practice from being even as good as Shaggy and Scooby.


I was glad to see Batman do detective work. He hadn't since Tim Burton.
 
I went and saw the movie yesterday. I actually really liked the movie. I understand some of the criticism, honestly my biggest issue was that they could have come up with a better design for Doomsday. He looked a lot like a Lord of the Rings cave troll.

I quess what I don't understand is why this movie got such bad reviews and movies like Mad Max Fury Road and The Force Awakens did not. Don't get me wrong , I liked Mad Max and TFA but they had their share of issues just as much as this BVS did and they did not get all these bad reviews.
 
Why the hell do people go see films multiple times in the theater when they didn't like them in the first place?!

Do you guys have no other demands on your time? Do you have oodles of cash to burn on unsatisfying entertainment?

Why would you subject yourself to this on a repeated basis if the first viewing didn't satisfy?
 
I only saw Bay Turtles once. that was enough. I will see this just once sometime this week......I just want to see if it's as bad as I think it is at this point.

I hated the two comics this movie is loosley based on. as well as the animated adaptions of said comic.
there are alot of things that I've read that I just don't care about...and i'm curious to see if WW can actually act, being a skimpy model and all. even in costume, she still doesn't look the part to me. it's more curiosity factor at this point. and boredom. lots and lots of boredom.
 
Whether it was Warner Brothers dictating what should be included or simply poor planning on Snyder and Goyer, it was simply too much. I felt like I was watching a mashup of Watchmen and Spider-Man 3 with superimposed DC characters. We jumped back and forth between TDKR and Death of Superman, without giving either story the weight it deserves. There were some terrific moments, but the editing and overall effect was choppy and uneven. I had been cautiously optimistic since it was announced, but wound up severely disappointed.
 
Saw it today, I think everything was fine until Doomsday turned up, then it was just hard to tell what was going on with him constantly exploding energy all the time.

I really liked the music when wonder woman was on, I dont know if it is her theme, or the justice leagues theme, but I do like a good bit of bombastic.

This is the Bruce Wayne we have been waiting for.
 
It does flow a bit better on the second viewing, but it really became apparent that it's basically a bunch of (mostly) cool scenes mashed together. It cruelly needed more transitions, and some scenes don't seem to be where they should have been. Others should not have been in the movie at all, and it was obviously missing a few too. I feel like if you give the raw footage to somebody else and let him edit it, it just might flow a whole lot better. The first time we see Batman was perfectly executed though, to Zack's defence. It's really borderline a horror movie moment, and it works tremendously !

With that said, I paid attention to a lot of nitpicks I and others had, and a handful of them got cleared out for me, so that's a plus. By example, because it is such a hot topic, I focused on the Batman car chase especially, it while it's undeniable that he personally took out 3 cars out of 5 and most likely killed their passengers, he didn't start it actually. He only started to shoot back when the SUV gunner first shot him with the mounted mini-gun. Before that he savagely rammed the cars, but not gunfire. Same with the later batwing, only when the 2 or 3 trucks with mounted 50 cals started shooting at him he returned fire. These, and that russian guy are the only active kills he did. Now a few more people died during the chase, mainly one war that crashed in a fuel tanker, which Batman had nothing to do with, and two guys in the corridor during the warehouse fight, thanks to the one with the grenade. He never got to throw it by the way, Batman hit a dude hanging from the ceiling "arkham style" who swung right into the grenade guy, who then lost the grenade behind him, tried to jump to catch it and failed. All that to say that this Batman only actually kills in self-defence when under heavy fire apparently. He's not a savage murderer like some online review might let you believe.
 
One thing I noticed, the opening credits, the name of the film is off in one corner in a small font almost as if not trying to draw attention to itself.

What was that about?
 
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I saw it Thursday night and I struggled to keep up with all the plot holes and stupid stuff in the film. One of them is the complete disconnect between the written Lex Luthor and the acted Lex Luthor. What I mean is that the script seems to have made a very calculating and manipulative Luthor, but it was acted/interpreted by Eisenberg so wrongly that Luthor just ended up being a huge irritation in the film. I saw no motivation for him wanting Batman dead other than Batman stole his Kryptonite. I can go on for hours about the failure of Lex Luthor, but it is not necessary.
Another major flaw I thought was the Darkseid dream sequence. Yes, WE know those are Parademons and what the Omega stands for, but There was no way for Batman to have dreamt them up. Batman has never been clairvoyant and it made no sense at all that he would have had this vision with such known characters. Very sloppy.
Ben Affleck, as expected, was a very good Batman and Bruce Wayne. No I do not accept Batman's killing of criminals but Ben did a good job playing the character.
I have seen Henry Cavill act so, so much better than this film. He had two expressions, angry and stoic. I felt nothing for Superman through the film, which rendered his death really meaningless. This disappointed me the most because I want a great screen Superman, but we don't have one yet. There was great potential after Man of Steel, but BvS killed hope in my opinion.
There was some more stupid stuff, like Lois calling Superman "Clark" out in public, right by a taxi. When Bruce wakes up at his lakeside retreat, there was a woman in bed with him, you see her when he gets up. Then Bruce and Alfred start talking Bat business and so forth. Did the woman leave? Or did they just yak about this stuff infront of Bruce's fling? Sloppy.
Why would Wonder Woman come back to the "Men's World" after a near 100 year absence to retrieve a photo from 1918? No one knows who she was and even if that photo got publish on every single news site on the planet, people would just think it was fake or whatever. The point being, if she was on Themyscira, why would she care what the world of men think about a single photo anyway? And how did she hear about it? Sloppy.
Yes, many people will say that these are just mysteries that CAN be solved in future films, well I am getting tired of that nonsense. When you make a film, sure leave stuff available to explore in the future, but don't make a film with so many loose ends that it CANNOT stand on it's own. TFA had stuff that left you with questions, like Rey's parentage and Maz's force abilities etc, but but they did not make the film confusing. It would have been OK to have a few things, but when the virtual entirety of the film is a bunch of unexplained elements, it is tiresome and not interesting or intriguing. Again, sloppiness.
I think I am done for now.
 
Luthor's computer files on the metahumans - why the hell would he design logos for each of these guys?

Firstly, it doesn't mean he designed them. WW's logo is on her chest. Flash is fast, so... a lightning bolt is pretty straightforward. If I'm not mistaken, Aquaman was just an A, and the file was called "aquatic research."
 
Is there a way to block peoples posts so you dont have to read them at all? Cause honestly, CharlesHouse is the first person/troll on this forum that I want to block due to his snide/douchey comments and troll like tendencies. Obviously Dascoyne was talking about how ridiculous it was from the movie's stand point to have the damn logos, and the colors. Jason Momoa's aquaman thing was the most ridiculous one, aside from him saying "hey its me aquaman" he floated there, in the water, stared at the camera for about 9 seconds, and then it panned out so he could swim off. It was like Inception, little commercials in one big fat stupid commercial for JL. I hope those logos are the same ones they use in their respective movies. That would be hilariously awful.
 
You know how important that spear that batman made was to the last fight?

You know what else would have been handy?

A suit of powerful armour designed specifically to fight kryptonians?
 
You know how important that spear that batman made was to the last fight?

You know what else would have been handy?

A suit of powerful armour designed specifically to fight kryptonians?

too bad he had to have a pointless smash em up fight that destroyed the suit.
 
One of them is the complete disconnect between the written Lex Luthor and the acted Lex Luthor. What I mean is that the script seems to have made a very calculating and manipulative Luthor, but it was acted/interpreted by Eisenberg so wrongly that Luthor just ended up being a huge irritation in the film. I saw no motivation for him wanting Batman dead other than Batman stole his Kryptonite. I can go on for hours about the failure of Lex Luthor, but it is not necessary.

Another major flaw I thought was the Darkseid dream sequence. Yes, WE know those are Parademons and what the Omega stands for, but There was no way for Batman to have dreamt them up. Batman has never been clairvoyant and it made no sense at all that he would have had this vision with such known characters.

Why would Wonder Woman come back to the "Men's World" after a near 100 year absence to retrieve a photo from 1918? No one knows who she was and even if that photo got publish on every single news site on the planet, people would just think it was fake or whatever. The point being, if she was on Themyscira, why would she care what the world of men think about a single photo anyway? And how did she hear about it? Sloppy.


Absolutely agree about Luthor. There was never a moment the I cared about Eisenberg's portrayal. Every line would have been better from Clancy Brown's Lex, or even Michael Rosenbaum's.

I am not one to forgive nearly anything from this movie, but in regards to the Knightmare sequence, I've seen it believably rationalized as being memories of a parallel universe bleeding over into Bruce's consciousness, which is somewhat backed up by the appearance of Flash directly after. Almost as if Barry had dragged the memories along with him as he came through time to warn Bruce. Again this is all fan conjecture, and most of that has been apologist theorizing, but at the very least it makes more sense than Batman being prophetic.

I wish instead of that photo, that Lex was in possession of Diana's sword and shield. They even set that thread up when she is looking at the other relics and commenting on the authenticity. Ideally I would have had Bruce steal the items when he grabbed the Kryptonite, and the picture+metahumans data would have just been icing on the cake, having been collected without Diana's knowledge. That way her motivations are a little stronger, as she may have seen waves rippling across the world stage, and sought to reclaim her magical items that had been lost to history so that she could fight back(also opening the door for a tie in within her solo film, as she loses the weapons and retreats from the world of men).
 
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