ANH Darth Vader Helmet

[vadermania]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vadermania @ Jan 1 2007, 03:42 PM) [snapback]1388432[/snapback]

...size does matter...very nice combination, Thomas :thumbsup
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Thats not what Yoda would say :lol
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:lol :lol :lol

 

[cking]

Thomas,

My post was aimed at RKW and his photo comparison which wasn't even taken with the helmet at the same angle. As I said, those kinds of comparisons are pointless.
Not really sure why my knowledge (or lack of it) regarding the origin is relevant? It LOOKS close enough to me (at least until darthjones decides to make castings of his) and that's all I really need to know.

Chris



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SithLord @ Jan 2 2007, 01:10 AM) [snapback]1388539[/snapback]</div>

I have to step back for a moment here and consider this. Are you saying that the comparisons I posted here are pointless?

Do you even know what the origin of this faceplate is?
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[Too Much Garlic]

That sure is a pretty face... :thumbsup

 

[JRX]

To me this looks clearly like a very sharp and beautiful ROTJ Facemask casting ... :rolleyes

... I see a certain "nick" that stops right before the nose were the cheeks end on this pic ...

... I brought that "nick" up once when I showed pics of my "Elstree" Vader Helmet, because
it is also on that facemask -

Also does the "short neck" match my Elstree facemask by the way -

Very sweet Mask - I like it - it instantly has that "real" Vader look to me - :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sithlord - would you be able to post some pics of it with a ROTJ Dome on (if you have one)

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(syborwolf @ Jan 2 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]1388757[/snapback]</div>

Nice.
Also I find it funny how when the "Vader Gods" around here get wiser, and they find out more info about the original ANH Vader helmet, the more the Vader God's helmets look more and more like a certain "popular Ebay brand with a smaller faceplate" helmet. :unsure

Joe
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Joe - Sorry to ask as this isnt obvious to me. Do you mean the SPFX?

In which case the SPFX (and also the VM2 and the JB "special v2" or whatever it was called) is always going to look close since its a recast off a 20thC which itself appears to be a direct descendant to an ANH helmet anyway.

This face mask is interesting since its by all accounts "new" and not a derivative of a helmet we already know about. I too know of the UK guy Chris/Voice.i.t.c is talking about and his story appears to be valid, hence the interest here since this is something we've not seen before.

Cheers

Jez

 

[vaderdarth]

RKW, you can't compare eyebrows on two helmets sitting at different angles. They might have also been shot at different focal lengths. It's overall morphology that really shows their similarities. It's easy for me to see the 3D images in my head because I'm a dentist and that is how we were trained to see teeth. It's obvious to me that you can take that dome and tilt it slightly to match up the details to the other one. Hope this helps.

Unfortunately, and this is true of any 3D object you photograph.............even if you put two of the same identical domes in the same photo..........sitting side by side............it's almost impossible to get them to look identical to the viewer.........because they will be pointing straight ahead rather than facing lens of the camera. So they will appear quite different from one to the other. It's just a trick of the camera. Of course the farther back you go.........the closer they will look. Photography is tricky.

Dave

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cking @ Jan 2 2007, 07:35 AM) [snapback]1388815[/snapback]</div>

Thomas,

My post was aimed at RKW and his photo comparison which wasn't even taken with the helmet at the same angle. As I said, those kinds of comparisons are pointless.
Not really sure why my knowledge (or lack of it) regarding the origin is relevant? It LOOKS close enough to me (at least until darthjones decides to make castings of his) and that's all I really need to know.

Chris
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I see, my apologies. I meant that doing comparisons can help to establish origin...

 

[darthvaderv]

First off, very nice piece Thomas. The GH dome compliments the faceplate additionally, good of you to share your new found prop :thumbsup .

Right taking a step back and being neutral I just wanted to say that:

1) As for Robert being Phil they are not the same person, any members of Sith Underground will see that. Their friendship or possible misleadings are not my concern and although some think RKW is letting Phil pose on these boards or that Phil is RKW it is all speculation without proof. As far as I know RKW is open about his like of SPFX helmets just like so many other people are.

2) RKW That comparison of the GH dome as others have said is misleading as the bottom of the dome is throwing off the central comparison view. If you altered that dome position it would be a similar match, as you posted it, I agree the arches are not symmetrical and nor are they meant to be, however the angles are incorrect.

3) Again I appreciate the whole respect thing but posting the SPFX helmet in a comparison and calling it small is going to make this debate get heated.

4) If Thomas is mentioning starting a thread about his ebay green facemask than I am sure he can confirm your questions.

5) I like reference shots, they are a benefit and I'm sure thats how many of us got to learn so much. I wholeheartedley agree that unless you know exactly what you are doing it's a struggle to get a true representation of two helmets side by side or offering another alternative comparison.

 

[Darth Kahnt]

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4) If Thomas is mentioning starting a thread about his ebay green facemask than I am sure he can confirm your questions.
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This statement is implying ownership by Thomas. I thought he already made a statement about this if I am not mistaken.

 

[JRX]

... :rolleyes ... let's get back on track guys - ... I just quote my own posting here beneath,
as I'm really curious about if this Facemask could be a ROTJ casting ...



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JRX @ Jan 2 2007, 05:00 PM) [snapback]1388847[/snapback]</div>

To me this looks clearly like a very sharp and beautiful ROTJ Facemask casting ... :rolleyes

... I see a certain "nick" that stops right before the nose were the cheeks end on this pic ...

... I brought that "nick" up once when I showed pics of my "Elstree" Vader Helmet, because
it is also on that facemask -

Also does the "short neck" match my Elstree facemask by the way -

Very sweet Mask - I like it - it instantly has that "real" Vader look to me - :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sithlord - would you be able to post some pics of it with a ROTJ Dome on (if you have one)
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[darthvaderv]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darthvaderv @ Jan 3 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1389529[/snapback]

4) If Thomas is mentioning starting a thread about his ebay green facemask than I am sure he can confirm your questions.
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This statement is implying ownership by Thomas. I thought he already made a statement about this if I am not mistaken.
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Thats probably because he does own it, if I'm not wrong.

Anyway...I've said my bit. Back to the original topic before this drifted.

 

[SithLord]

Let me put it this way, it is possible the ROTJ faceplate was derived from a mask like this. This mask is ROTJ era...and it's size is also indicative of that. It also has cleanup in areas like a ROTJ. But it would be a step before a ROTJ mask as we are familiar with since those...like the GH ROTJ and Elstree...are derived from screen ROTJ masks that have already been modified (ie: chin vent cutout, further cleanup, addition of plastic neck, etc.).

 

[Treadwell]

EDIT..

I erroneously thought "no name" was banned member SPFX (Phil). My apologies.
Thread reopened.

Let's concentrate on SithLord's helmet and not talk about banned members' products, though.

 

[SithLord]

Thanks so much, Jay, I appreciate it. Yes please guys let's focus on this helmet...we know the rules here. I'll show more pics later today in good spirits

 

[voice in the crowd]

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EDIT..

I erroneously thought "no name" was banned member SPFX (Phil). My apologies.
Thread reopened.

Let's concentrate on SithLord's helmet and not talk about banned members' products, though.
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I will try to contact the maker of the faceplate and see if he wants a funky name attached to it to make things clearer for future reference

Just for fun if anybody has any (serious) ideas then throw them in and hopefully we can get something agreed rather than 'no name' .

Can't wait for more pics :thumbsup

Cheers Chris.

 

[Darth Kahnt]

Good call Jay.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(voice in the crowd @ Jan 3 2007, 08:01 PM) [snapback]1389722[/snapback]</div>

Just for fun if anybody has any (serious) ideas then throw them in and hopefully we can get something agreed rather than 'no name' .
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Yes. "No Name" is a bit... errm... odd... but hopefully the maker will come up with a nice name for it. :thumbsup

 

[SithLord]

We could refer to it as the UK ANH for now...or the SL ANH :lol

 

[RKW]

Any chance SL we can have a frontal comparison pic of this new faceplate with GH dome combo posted alongside an actual GH faceplate and dome at the same angle. I'm assuming that this new casting is smaller than the GH? (based on where you place the GH casting chronologically) I would like to see just how different the faceplates look in relation to the same dome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SithLord @ Jan 3 2007, 08:36 PM) [snapback]1389799[/snapback]</div>

We could refer to it as the UK ANH for now...or the SL ANH :lol
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How about calling it the 30th SL?

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RKW @ Jan 3 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1389800[/snapback]</div>

Any chance SL we can have a frontal comparison pic of this new faceplate with GH dome combo posted alongside an actual GH faceplate and dome at the same angle. I'm assuming that this new casting is smaller than the GH? (based on where you place the GH casting chronologically) I would like to see just how different the faceplates look in relation to the same dome.
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I posted this one...same dome...but I could make a comparison with a front view of the GH and that front view I posted of the UK ANH.

Also see my previous post:

This faceplate is larger than any fan helmet derived from the 20th Century faceplate (which is not surprising given it's an offshoot from ESB) and also nearly identical to the GH ANH master faceplate in terms of size.[/b]

By that I meant is that the 20th C is an offshoot so it will be (and is) smaller than an original ESB...