Agent Carter

You can tell when a network gives up on a show. They never gave up on this. It was promoted just enough on a weekly basis. They seem to have a keen interest in keeping it around - the question is if they will or not. If it wasn't doing well enough, it would not have been on during sweeps unless contractually obligated due to AoS/Marvel. And even if that, Disney owns the whole lot of them - they can change whatever they want. So it was good enough to hold its spot during sweeps which is a win in most books. Hopefully the big win of S2 comes soon.
 
I personally think that they should keep the same format for season 2. I also think that is how we should to AoS. Make it like the old serials. This way it was fast moving and action packed. Aos could really use this format instead of the freak of the week ploy they get into now and then. I really enjoyed the show.
 
Keep writing to the execs to get this show another run. Hayley is rallying for this so let's help her out.

Believe me, I already told ABC how much I loved it, despite the fact that I'm in the UK and not supposed to have seen it yet. Hopefully the amazing Ms Atwell is successful in her current quest to get UK broadcasters interested in showing it, and then the rest of the country can join me in asking for more,
Sidebar: I may have requested they make Cartinelli canon while I was heaping praise on the producers/writers/cast, etc. :$
 
Believe me, I already told ABC how much I loved it, despite the fact that I'm in the UK and not supposed to have seen it yet. Hopefully the amazing Ms Atwell is successful in her current quest to get UK broadcasters interested in showing it, and then the rest of the country can join me in asking for more,
Sidebar: I may have requested they make Cartinelli canon while I was heaping praise on the producers/writers/cast, etc. :$

I really think the networks are going to have to get it through their heads that EVERYONE is going to see their show, whether it's on in their country or not. The idea that things show up in different countries at different times and expecting people to wait patiently is absurd. Put it on at the same time everywhere or you'll just have people pirating it from whatever country gets it first.
 
A lot of people have been hopeful because of that. If it were meant as a one-shot mini-series, I think they definitely would have said "series finale". The fact that they left it open with "season" means that they're open to the possibility of greenlighting another set.

From everything I've heard, the ratings for AC were very good, and given that ABC was willing to air it during February sweeps says that they were confident in the title, so as long as the money and timing is there, I'm fairly confident that we may see more.

You can tell when a network gives up on a show. They never gave up on this. It was promoted just enough on a weekly basis. They seem to have a keen interest in keeping it around - the question is if they will or not. If it wasn't doing well enough, it would not have been on during sweeps unless contractually obligated due to AoS/Marvel. And even if that, Disney owns the whole lot of them - they can change whatever they want. So it was good enough to hold its spot during sweeps which is a win in most books. Hopefully the big win of S2 comes soon.

I wouldn't be so sure, guys. I mean, not to be all doom-and-gloom here, but the "Cancellation Bear" guys have this one as likely to not be renewed. After all, they kept promoting both A to Z and Constantine even after they were canceled. Promotion alone isn't necessarily a good sign.

I think the real question is whether the figures other than live viewership have improved, and whether other avenues like Hulu, etc. are showing increased viewings. But even apparently good takeup on Amazon didn't save Constantine (and likely won't result in any kind of renewal or network jump).

I personally think that they should keep the same format for season 2. I also think that is how we should to AoS. Make it like the old serials. This way it was fast moving and action packed. Aos could really use this format instead of the freak of the week ploy they get into now and then. I really enjoyed the show.

I haven't watched Season 2 of AoS, but I REALLY enjoyed season 1, including its length. It allowed for better character development, in my opinion.

I really think the networks are going to have to get it through their heads that EVERYONE is going to see their show, whether it's on in their country or not. The idea that things show up in different countries at different times and expecting people to wait patiently is absurd. Put it on at the same time everywhere or you'll just have people pirating it from whatever country gets it first.

I agree, but there are licensing deals to consider here.
 
I agree, but there are licensing deals to consider here.

Which really doesn't matter. The world has changed and a lot of these producers are still living in the 70s. It's their job to keep up with the real world, not pretend that they can stop the real world from existing. This is why they are always complaining, they refuse to keep up. The market wants what it wants, it's their job to provide it.
 
Which really doesn't matter. The world has changed and a lot of these producers are still living in the 70s. It's their job to keep up with the real world, not pretend that they can stop the real world from existing. This is why they are always complaining, they refuse to keep up. The market wants what it wants, it's their job to provide it.

Well, they do matter, actually. They're how these companies make their money -- by licensing their products to other overseas distributors. Now, maybe the terms of those license agreements need to be revised with an eye towards modernity, but if they're still in effect, then the companies can't just breach them.

I don't know for certain, but my guess is that the real issue is that someone in the process -- either the distributor or the originator, or both -- thinks that there's going to be a better market for the material if it isn't competing with another channel airing it simultaneously elsewhere in the world. If that's the case, then that's where the fundamental misreading of reality is occurring, because, as you say, the truth of the matter is that people want the content contemporaneously, and will not wait around for it in most cases, whether that means resorting to actual piracy, or simply finding ways to skirt restrictions and view the material online from unrestricted (legally or not) sources.

Don't get me wrong -- I've noticed weirdness with this, too. When I traveled overseas, I discovered that all of a sudden, my Netflix queue had radically changed. A ton of stuff wasn't available, but other stuff I've been hoping would show up stateside for years suddenly was. It was just who'd licensed what to whom, or whether anyone had licensed the stuff at all (e.g., Netflix might not have figured there'd be any real market for streaming episodes of The Sweeney or anyone interested in viewing -- streaming or on disc -- a copy of The Ipcress File).

I suspect this stuff will change over time, largely as a result of external pressures from people pirating or skirting region restrictions.
 
I'm still impressed with the production value of this series. There's a good deal of polish and love that went into the show and it's apparent. I don't know if it's because the short run allowed for a greater budget or if it was just a great production or both but I really want more.
Admittedly I find myself having to overlook flaws in AoS - (In fairness AoS is much more complex) but I don't with AC which is just a joy to watch. I can't say enough how much Hayley deserves as much screen time as she can get.
If they only released it in 6 episode runs between Avengers films I'd be happy.
 
I really think the networks are going to have to get it through their heads that EVERYONE is going to see their show, whether it's on in their country or not. The idea that things show up in different countries at different times and expecting people to wait patiently is absurd. Put it on at the same time everywhere or you'll just have people pirating it from whatever country gets it first.

Don't get me wrong -- I've noticed weirdness with this, too. When I traveled overseas, I discovered that all of a sudden, my Netflix queue had radically changed. A ton of stuff wasn't available, but other stuff I've been hoping would show up stateside for years suddenly was. It was just who'd licensed what to whom, or whether anyone had licensed the stuff at all (e.g., Netflix might not have figured there'd be any real market for streaming episodes of The Sweeney or anyone interested in viewing -- streaming or on disc -- a copy of The Ipcress File).

I suspect this stuff will change over time, largely as a result of external pressures from people pirating or skirting region restrictions.

I can tell you that it's not as simple as licensing issues, though those are a large part of it.

Each country has their own copyright rules and protectionist regulations which factor into things, and then there are union (SAG, SWG, AFM, etc. in the States, ACTRA in Canada, etc., etc.) considerations which have payment schedules for broadcasts in different countries, re-broadcasts, etc.

How it generally works is a TV program that is made in the US is meant primarily for a US audience - meaning how it makes its money is by how much advertising the network can sell around it domestically. That's a TV show's bread and butter right there. If a network can't sell enough advertising at home to cover the production costs of a show, it won't last very long.

Where licensing comes in is when the networks offer up their programming to foreign broadcasters - this is the gravy as it is often pure profit. But those licensing deals usually come with their own caveats in terms of broadcast times, repeats, digital broadcast, etc.

But the bottom line is that programming from countries outside of your own are regulated and still have to be bought and paid for so it's not quite as simple as "you should be able to watch a show across the globe all at the same time..."
 
I can tell you that it's not as simple as licensing issues, though those are a large part of it.

Each country has their own copyright rules and protectionist regulations which factor into things, and then there are union (SAG, SWG, AFM, etc. in the States, ACTRA in Canada, etc., etc.) considerations which have payment schedules for broadcasts in different countries, re-broadcasts, etc.

How it generally works is a TV program that is made in the US is meant primarily for a US audience - meaning how it makes its money is by how much advertising the network can sell around it domestically. That's a TV show's bread and butter right there. If a network can't sell enough advertising at home to cover the production costs of a show, it won't last very long.

Where licensing comes in is when the networks offer up their programming to foreign broadcasters - this is the gravy as it is often pure profit. But those licensing deals usually come with their own caveats in terms of broadcast times, repeats, digital broadcast, etc.

But the bottom line is that programming from countries outside of your own are regulated and still have to be bought and paid for so it's not quite as simple as "you should be able to watch a show across the globe all at the same time..."

I know how it works and by and large, these things are artifacts of the past, done out of tradition. That doesn't mean they work today and trying to force the modern world to abide by their ancient traditions is absurd. It is far easier to simply change their traditions to something that works in the modern world. Unfortunately, a lot of these old media moguls are convinced that they hold all the power and have all the control, which stopped being true a very long time ago. The fact is, media companies have fought tooth and nail against every single technological advancement in the past 50 years, dating back to the earliest audio tape, and they have lost every single time. They can't stop the future. They can only learn to embrace it. Yet in all cases, they've had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern day.

Whether these licensing agreements exist or not is largely irrelevant. I can watch any TV show on the planet any time I want. All the licensing agreements in the world won't change that. People who live in countries where TV shows and movies take weeks or months to arrive in legal venues are going to go out and download those things because they don't want to wait. All of this absurd region-locking doesn't stop anyone. Media companies need to yank their head out and realize that this is how the world works now, they can either work with the world or they can fight against it. One was is much more potentially profitable than the other. They have to make a choice. So far, they've consistently made the wrong one.
 
Well, they do matter, actually. They're how these companies make their money -- by licensing their products to other overseas distributors. Now, maybe the terms of those license agreements need to be revised with an eye towards modernity, but if they're still in effect, then the companies can't just breach them.

No, they can't, but these companies can license these shows in other countries to air at the same time that they air here. It isn't like it's a surprise that they're going on the air, there is plenty of time to hash out these deals. The problem is that in reality, if a show airs in England and I want to watch it in America and it isn't coming here soon, or at all, I'll just get online and download it. The same goes for people living in England who want to watch things airing in Canada or whatever. They will get it whether these media companies like it or not and by the time it shows up on the other side of the pond, most people who really wanted to see it already have and won't watch again. There goes your ratings and your advertising revenue.

I don't know for certain, but my guess is that the real issue is that someone in the process -- either the distributor or the originator, or both -- thinks that there's going to be a better market for the material if it isn't competing with another channel airing it simultaneously elsewhere in the world. If that's the case, then that's where the fundamental misreading of reality is occurring, because, as you say, the truth of the matter is that people want the content contemporaneously, and will not wait around for it in most cases, whether that means resorting to actual piracy, or simply finding ways to skirt restrictions and view the material online from unrestricted (legally or not) sources.

Which is really stupid because you cannot possibly watch the same show on two different TVs in two different countries at the same time. I will say that just about every single TV show on the planet is up for download somewhere within a half-hour of airing if you know where to look. This is a reality that the media companies have to deal with, they can't continue to run around waving their arms in the air, pretending that screaming at people and putting FBI warnings on DVDs is going to stop it. It won't. So they can either develop a strategy that works with the Internet or they can continue to fail. Big theatrical releases have dropped dramatically in recent years, mostly because the movie companies have entirely unrealistic, antiquated views and expectations. The same is true of most TV producers too. They can either change their perspective on how things work in the modern world or they can go under.

Don't get me wrong -- I've noticed weirdness with this, too. When I traveled overseas, I discovered that all of a sudden, my Netflix queue had radically changed. A ton of stuff wasn't available, but other stuff I've been hoping would show up stateside for years suddenly was. It was just who'd licensed what to whom, or whether anyone had licensed the stuff at all (e.g., Netflix might not have figured there'd be any real market for streaming episodes of The Sweeney or anyone interested in viewing -- streaming or on disc -- a copy of The Ipcress File).

I'm willing to bet that Netflix could make a lot of money streaming BBC shows at the same time they are aired in England. There are plenty of people in the U.S. who would love to see Doctor Who, aired uncut like it is in England, instead of the crappy commercial-filled mess that shows up on BBC America. But of course, there's all that licensing crap to deal with. Most people don't watch it because they can get the shows uncut. I can't tell you the last time I watched any BBC show on BBC America, I get them all straight from UK feeds.

I suspect this stuff will change over time, largely as a result of external pressures from people pirating or skirting region restrictions.

It's only going to change when enough of these media companies get driven out of business that they're willing to do whatever it takes to survive. I thought it would change too, but with every new technical advancement, they go back to their old whining instead of embracing the future. They have never said "here's the real world, how do we capitalize on it?" That's just not how they're programmed to think.
 
I know how it works and by and large, these things are artifacts of the past, done out of tradition.

No... it's done out of money. If international broadcasters want the hit American TV show that a) saves them money because they don't have to produce their own programming and b) wants guaranteed advertising dollars because it *is* a hit show, then they have to follow what ever licensing terms are laid out by the networks.

The American networks on the other hand can care less about the international market because they make or break it at home. They don't care if some guy in Zimbabwe is downloading their show so they can watch it before their local broadcaster shows it because they've already been paid from said broadcaster through their licensing agreement.
 
No... it's done out of money. If international broadcasters want the hit American TV show that a) saves them money because they don't have to produce their own programming and b) wants guaranteed advertising dollars because it *is* a hit show, then they have to follow what ever licensing terms are laid out by the networks.

The American networks on the other hand can care less about the international market because they make or break it at home. They don't care if some guy in Zimbabwe is downloading their show so they can watch it before their local broadcaster shows it because they've already been paid from said broadcaster through their licensing agreement.

The American networks might not care, but the station in Zimbabwe probably does. They're trying to make their advertising dollars too and they can't do that if a good chunk of their potential audience has already watched it online and won't be paying attention to their advertisers. Maybe it will take waiting until overseas broadcasters simply don't want to sign contracts with American networks, or will only do so with those networks who are cognizant of the problem. For the longest time, BBC America showed shows like Top Gear and Doctor Who several days or weeks behind the BBC. Now they show simultaneously (or at least the same day). Why? Because most people wouldn't watch BBC America because they'd already downloaded the show online.

It's also a reality that networks who want to buy shows from overseas may not be able to get the guaranteed hit that they want, any more than they can guarantee a show they make on their own will be a hit. That might be a reality they need to embrace. You rolls your dice, you takes your chances.

And none of this has anything to do with Agent Carter. :)
 
The way I'd see it working best is parallel stories between Peggy and Sharon Carter. You'd need to tie the two stories together, and provide answers to the stuff they started explaining in the Agent Carter series. Maybe show Peggy slowly forming SHIELD and Sharon returning to the newly constituted SHIELD after the events of CA:TWS.
 
I actually just watched this series and I have to say I was underwhelmed. There were some good chuckles and easter eggs here and there but other than that I just found the whole thing , well, boring and forced. I, for one, don't care if they continue the story or not. I was hoping that this short series was going to get to how she was one of the founders of S.H.I.E.L.D and some more howling commandos missions but no such luck, just more women being kept down by naughty men in the 40's until, surprise, the woman is the hero.
 
I don't think I ever made it through the second episode. The show just didn't do anything for me. Really saying something when I managed to slog through the first season of AoS before Winter Soldier. Glad to hear that there may still be a place for Agent 13 in the MCU, hopefully she gets to cross paths with Cap again.
 
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