A Pred-Costumer's Convention and Contest Companion

Bovine13

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The time has come at last! All the time, money, sleepless nights, effort, and random outbursts of frustration and excitement are about to pay off. You have worked day and night to get it done and standing before you is the fruits of all your labor. You have what only a few before you have accomplished, a full blown wearable Predator costume. Now, before you bail off into that "costume" there are a few tips, pointers, and suggestions from your fellow Hunters that may help in your hunt and keep you from doing damage to the suit, the people around you, and mainly yourself.

There a basically 5 key points to remember while attending a large public function. Movement/Navigation, Crowd Control, Suit Maintenance, Breaks, and the "Support Team". The first 4 points are hard to handle by yourself while suited up. This is where the 5th point the "Support Team" comes into play.

Movement and Navigation:
As far as costume contests and conventions go, the general atmosphere is the same. A large group of people jammed into a space usually too small for the numbers. And you stand in all the glory of a Predator on the hunt. But, unlike the Predator himself you are mostly blind, mostly deaf, and the majority of your senses are a bit off do to the fact your in a costume from head to toe. Thus making it a bit more difficult to move about and navigate through the crowded space.
- If possible get a floorplan of the convention hall/building you will be attenting and get a general idea of the layout and key locations. Bathrooms, firstaid, water/consetions, etc.
- Have a general plan of attack for the days events that you would like to attend. Autographs, meet and greet, etc.
- Plan your path. The masks and bios kind if give you the tunnel vision effect. Its hard to see the whole picture in front of you.
- If you want to do some character acting (crouching, swinging your arms, blade swipes, etc) make sure you have about an 8-10 foot circle of clear space. The last thing you want to do is hit someone or
fall down. Remember, you have sharp pointy things on your suit and they can hurt someone.
- The greater the number of hunters at the event will further make moving more dificult.

Crowd Control:
Everybody loves the Predator. Young, old, male, female, Star Wars or Star Trek fan, they wanna a picture with the Predator. You will be surprised how fast a crowd of people, all jocking for position to take a
picture "next", can get out of hand quick. Trying to keep the mob at bay will reduce the chance of injury to you or others and keep suit damage to a minimum.
- Its easier to take pictures once you have gotten to good area to do so. Stopping in the middle of a crowded isle is not the best place. Let the bumping and knocking around begin.
- If your on the move to a certain place and are just trying to get there, dont be afraid to tell picture seekers "We are heading to the blah blah blah spot. We will be happy to take pictures there). Most are cool
with it and they usually follow.
- During the picture session you have to try and give yourself some room. Keep the crowd back a few feet. The crowd will always creep towards you while the pictures are being taken.

Suit Maintenance:
Not always but, its possible you may have a suit malfunction. You may be the baddest Hunter in the universe but, how cool do you look with your armor hanging off or your Pred ass exposed.
- Before the event, put together a repair kit. Remember its just a quick repair to get you through so, you dont need the major building materials. Just the quick stuff.
- Repair Kit~ Super glue, zip ties (a few different sizes), scissors, twine or string, safety pins, some rags, electrical tape, and extra batteries (if needed). You can fix most anything with these few materials.
- The idea is to fix it fast and get back to the funstuff, Hunting!
- Make the kit big enough to support more than one suit. That way you can help out the other guy/girl if she has an issue.

Breaks:
One of the most important things to remember is to take some breaks here and there. These suits can take a lot out of you if your not used to it. If you have never done it, dont push yourself too far. If you feel
like your getting tired or thirsty, exit stage left and take lil break.
- Take with you some break goodies. Bottled water, power bars, just some items/snacks to get you through the day.
- If you can, find a spot away from all the action. It gives you a chance to rest and recharge without all the crazyness. And, while you have the mask and other suit items off, you can place them where they wont
get damaged or stolen.

The Support Team:
These people are your gaurdian angles and hunt backup. They can see, hear, and do everything you cant. If its possible, take a buddy or two along with you to help you out. These guys and gals will make
everything above you have just read, a thousand times easier.
- Bring along a backpack or bag. You can put the repair kit, water, break goodies, whatever in there and have your hands free to back up those creeping crowds mentioned before.
- Get with your team before hand and go over the details of the day. Let them know what to look for, where you would like to go, etc.
- If your expecting a large hunting party try and get a few more support members. One person can take care of 2-3 Predators fairly easy. Dont wanna run him/her ragged the whole day.
- Have the support team as informed and prepared as they can be. The day will go a lot easier if you prepare for the worst but, only expierience the best.
- You could probobly handle all the issues above by yourself but, its always easier and more fun with someone watching your back.

Things to keep in mind while suited up. Your not going to be able to see or hear all that great. Your depth perception and sense of touch are diminished. Your gonna sweat, be a bit uncomfortable, get bumped
and knocked around, have any and all comments made, be thirsty, probobly stumble or trip, mess up the suit a bit, and various other things. But, when it gets to the point, and it will, where your like "screw it,
im done", remember all the hard work, time, and effort you put forth to get to this day and you will be able to go a bit longer. You are there, you are suited up, and for a short time as it may be you are
the Predator. Enjoy it!
 
If I missed anything or you guys think something needs to be said or added, post or pm me and I will gladly add it.
 
Now that's what I call an informative thread that's been sorely needed around here. Great job, Scott!
I was thinking wouldn't it be cool to engineer existing pred backpacks to be able to house a water bladder with a tube that inserts under the back of the mask up inside next to your mouth so you can take a drink whenever you wanted. It would essentially be a hands-free system, a lot like the new "camel back" water bladders our ground forces now wear on their backs instead of canteens.
 
I agree Carl, a very good and informative thread. Nice job Bovine, well done. The hidden water bladder is also a very slick idea. As Bovine had mentioned, all of your senses are dulled and hearing is especially hard if you have a latex mask on. I seen one of these at Wal-Mart and thought it would be invaluable if worked as described. It amplifies the sounds/noise/talking around you and relays it to your ear via a ear-phone set up. Here are the links to a few of these devices Mini Hearing Enhancer and Super Ear Hearing Enhancer

Should I have posted this in a different thread? sorry if so
 
:p Bravo, Scott! I have to agree wholeheartedly as I have worn my first suit out
to costume parties and contests, scenario paintball events (off the field of play, of course)
and even one promo event about two years ago where I actually wore it into an fighting
octagon for the XXF! Excellent advise! Max Kudos!
 
This is all good information for anyone attending a convention, but seeing as how Halloween is now right around the corner, I think it might be pertinent to add some pointers for all those people who are planning to try and wear their Predator gear to Halloween parties or, more specifically, a Halloween costume contest at the local bar or pub...

I know there is a certain section of people in this hobby who will spend $2K+ on a Mander costume (for example) in the hopes of attending one or more costume contests and winning their money back...perhaps even make a profit.

I myself do not dress up or attend any such events, so I have no first-hand stories to share about this...but I've heard more than my fair share of horror stories about "things to watch out for" when attending a costume contest, and I'm sure there are a few members here who could chime in with their experiences.

Obviously, many of the same guidelines that Scott has posted above would still apply here...you're still trying to navigate a potentially dark and crowded room in a costume that leaves you mostly blind, deaf and muffled...but I think it goes without saying that navigating a crowd of "intoxicated" people only amplifies the potential problems exponentially.



Some of the things I've heard about include (but are not limited to...):

1) The advertisement read: "Halloween Costume Contest! October 31st! $1500 Grand Prize! 8 pm!"
And so there you are...all suited up at 8pm and ready to win your money, right? Wrong. They only say "8pm" in the ads to get everyone to show up early in very hot costumes so they can spend the next 5 hours buying very expensive drinks. Don't be surprised if they don't start getting people on stage for judging until 1am or later. So be prepared to spend the entire evening standing around in your costume while increasingly intoxicated people pull at your dreads and try to pick fights with "The Predator".

2) "I spent $2600 and worked 2 years on this costume! I'm definitely going to win!"
Wrong. From what I understand, most costume contests are "judged" by simply getting everyone up on a stage and letting the crowd pick the winner by way of applause. And, as stated above...usually most of these people are pretty wasted by the time the "judging" takes place. You may have put your blood, sweat, tears and wallet into that Predator costume, but if you find yourself up on stage next to a shapley blonde dressed up as Lara Croft in nothing but a bikini-top, short shorts and a plastic pistol...sorry buddy. You're going to lose. The drunken applause (and the prize money) will go to Lara Croft and her $15 costume every time. Just be warned.


With regards to crowd control, all of Scott's suggestions about a support crew are still relevant. Just be sure that your partner is prepared to deal with drunken ******** who can no longer respect personal space.

As I said, I have no personal experience with such situations, as I have zero tolerance for intoxicated people, and wouldn't be caught within 1000 yards of such a place on my favorite holiday...but every November I end up reading more horror stories from dedicated costumers who emerge from Halloween with damaged costumes and shattered expectations.

I'll leave it to those of you with actual experience in this matter to add to this, if you like.

Good post, Scott. :p
 
Thanks for putting this up, Bovine13. I'm part of the crowd here that was doing Star Wars costuming all the time with the 501st for years before I'd built my Pred costume, so all that convention/contest prep stuff was just common knowledge to me by the time my Predator came around, so I never thought about people not knowing this kind of stuff. :p I can see how there's many "newbs" to high end costuming on this board building a Pred suit, folks that ONLY own a Predator suit and nothing else as extensive or expensive to put together, so a large sized post like Bovine13 made is quite useful to all those convention beginners learning what they're walking into for the first time with a Predator costume.


PS- Bounty Haunter is dead on right with the facts of the Halloween night club crowd and how they act/react to various costumes. Years ago when I first started in this hobby of what you'd call "high end costuming", I won a couple small contests with my Boba Fett, but now knowing better, I don't even bring my good costumes to the bar scene anymore. Kim and I both wore our Preds in a contest one year......that's two Preds there, not just one, and we didn't even get in the top 3 at the club we went to. We costume as various things throughout the year, so we really don't even go out to the clubs at Halloween anymore (and haven't for a few years now). Even when we did go to the costume parties at the bars, to us it was "just another day" since we normally costume at different events year round. We don't go out costuming to try and make money, we costume just for the joy of it and would rather save our good costumes for the people who would care the most about them, the convention crowds. The con-goers are geeks like us and know how expensive our (various) costumes cost and don't mess with them like any drunken bar crowd people usually will.
 
Thanks all. Glad you liked it.


PS- Bounty Haunter is dead on right with the facts of the Halloween night club crowd and how they act/react to various costumes.

I agree totaly with what Bounty Haunter on the Bar/Pub contests. Mr Fett you are spot on as well. I did one with Munster38 last year at a local dance hall. 3000 drunk and crazy Texas rednecks and two Predators with short tempers= bad mojo. We accually won the contest but, having to deal with that crap for the 5 hours till the contest, no thanks. I wont do it again.
 
I agree with all of these comments to this topic! I've not yet gone out in a pre costume but I have had some convention experience's and wow people are crazy! And the Bar scene Oh hell no! You wouldn't catch me dead there in a pred suit! I would make sure that my wrist blades were real and Sharp! I cant stand drunks!

crowd control is a must!
 
I wholeheartedly agree with what Bovine13, Bounty Haunter, and Mr. Fett said about contests!

Y'all are so right about the contests at the local pubs....been there done that.
If they don't have a judges panel, forget it.... Convention contests are better because they do have judge panels.

I did the contest at a small regional convention (Loscon) last year and the larger one at CostumeCon when it was in San Jose this year.
Smaller ones where you just go there and sign up right there, then just look at the stage, then after dinner go in line and get up there and do it on the spot is best, less stress rehearsing.

For the larger one like CostumeCon, you submit a script and reference pictures the day before. Then there can be 47 people in it, and the stuff you have to do will go from midmorning all the way to midnight.
There will be an all-hands meeting for the participants in the morning.
You will have to get an appointment to rehearse; the times will run from around midday till around 4pm then at some point you have to have your weapons checked after rehearsing.
Then you go around 5 to 6 pm to have your costume judged for workmanship and have your pix taken for that.
Then another pix for the official entry.
You will have to find time to eat lunch and dinner in between all this.
A friend with a soft lunch cooler and lots of protein & H2O is your lifeline to keep you from going hypoglycemic and dehydrating.
They will get people in line around 7:30 or 8pm and the thing can go till 10pm.
Then you wait for the results.
It can be midnight before its all done.
Then you can go and find the party with the Klingons and drink bloodwine so you can finally get unwound enough so you can get to sleep.

For the big conventions, like SDCC:
What Bovine said!!!!

Hunting the con floor is better than doing the contest if its SDCC; I've heard SD is a tough venue...

If there are two support people per Hunter, then they can be on either side of their designated person and keep the crowd from encroaching too much and keep people from cutting in line and splitting the group.
They can also keep the picture hunting folks from cutting off the "tailgunner" at the end of the line and separating him from the rest of the hunting party.
Figure out a system of handsignals, it is noisy and makes it even harder to hear.

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Ei'luj
 
@ carl
I love the idea of the water pack! Keep you cool at the same time. But maybe no more than a couple bottles worth at one time due to the weight?

@jaded
No, this is the right thread for Hearing Enhancers (I wear 'em all the time )

Wishful thinking department:
Now if we had our own comm system, that would rock! And our support people would look like Secret Service agents with the little earbud and coil setup :p

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Ei'luj
 
I agree Carl, a very good and informative thread. Nice job Bovine, well done. The hidden water bladder is also a very slick idea. As Bovine had mentioned, all of your senses are dulled and hearing is especially hard if you have a latex mask on. I seen one of these at Wal-Mart and thought it would be invaluable if worked as described. It amplifies the sounds/noise/talking around you and relays it to your ear via a ear-phone set up. Here are the links to a few of these devices Mini Hearing Enhancer and Super Ear Hearing Enhancer

Should I have posted this in a different thread? sorry if so

The only thing I hate about those is you can hear yourself walk, it creeps me out :p .


I like the advice, I've been in a lot of costume contests and the one thing you want is one of those cold packs that sticks on your neck, it keeps you a lot cooler and it can turn 30 mins of the suit into 1 to 2 hours in it comptorabliety
 
These are great tips, here is a Halloween costume contest experience from me:

A few years ago in college, I went to our local bar's costume competition. I had just completed my first predator costume, and had put a ton of money on it. You can find shots of it here on the forum. Anyways, from what people were telling me, it would have seemed obvious I was going to win simply for how great it looked compared to other costumes and I would most certainly win.

Well, I got third place, and the first place winner was someone who created a half-assed costume, but was apparently more popular for whatever reason.

So, yeah, as said above, you can put your heart and soul into a costume, have it look incredible, but it comes down to popularity and if you're next to someone who can win the crowd.
 
All the tips are right on guys and gals....Thanx Scott.
many of us will hit the clubs anyway..( i'm a clubdj).
So ,for those who are brave enough to take your costumes to such venues..Here are some pointers:
Never wear your costume before doing the next steps,
GET PLENTY OF SLEEP!!!!.
IF YOU GO TO A CLUB
Take the time to get to the frontdoor, pay your entry fee,( some clubs would waive that if you r in costume)MOST don't.
Get your wristband, they usually need to check your ID, and it is VERY HARD to do that while you wear your predator mask.
Once inside find out what time they are having the contest, if you need to sign up etc.. etc.
Always have in mind HOW LONG WOULD TAKE YOU TO PUT ON THE WHOLE SUIT. TIME YOURSELF IN ADVANCE.
I wish we had this info years before. Great job everyone. Cesar.
 
After readin all these tips ~ The lesson learned should be " Professionally Made costume for Professional Costume Contests (with sober Judges who look for quality in costumes)."

I sure as heck not gonna risk damaging my costume for a bunch of drunken fools who couldn't tell between a real costume or I just stick my head through a life size Predator standee... hmm should try this maybe.
 
I'll toss in my two cents as well

Although I haven't even got my mask completed... let alone the whole thing, I have done Star Wars costuming for a few years and I have my fair share of horror stories.

1st off before you put on you suit, go to the bathroom. Nothing worse than getting all suited up then having to pee. Once you get everything on, drink a good portion of water, you'll be sweating a lot and unless you have a camel back it will be hard to get hydrated during the event.

2nd, don't let a con or big event be the first time you wear your costume. The first time I wore my TK (Stormtrooper) was a 5 mile parade... and I was blistered, bleeding and nausous by the end of it. Make sure to give your suit a good test drive, figure out your movement limitations, and get an idea of what needs to be adjusted, if you wear the suit for an hour a small pinch is no big deal, but if you're wearing it for 6 hours that's a big problem.

3rd, you're a freaking Predator! Have a good time

-P
 
or do a number 2 sorry .


Also figure out how many people are gonna be there, like thousands hundreds etc. because then you can figure out if it's practical to wear your costume in the convention.
 
Good idea for us Con noobs, nothing like 1st hand advice from people who have actually done the Con thing.
 
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