Thanks. So it's possible that the v2 black sidebars with undamaged lever saber is the hero/primary, but by chance was not seen in many shots and also by chance was not photographed for Chronicles- that is pretty interesting. Now I am leaning toward ordering the black sidebars from Roman. By guidebook, do you mean Roy's excellent summary, or perhaps partsofsw?
If by Roy's summary you mean the lightsaber bible I made and he's hosting-- then yes
Top post in this forum too. There's two pretty decent images of the black bars on page 25.
More than likely youre right.
I cant see a flash shroud made of steel though.
Also, the shoulders on this saber dont have the same angle as the common MPP shrouds and theres one shoulder on this that has a chunk cut out if it. Looks like a machining error.
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do you have pics of these details? super interested - i'm thinking they tried to make a replacement for a damaged shroud and found it wasn't worth their while after the first one lol
But why do that when they just made a block and slapped it on a stunt for ANH and ROTJ? I guess maybe they thought the hero deserved more love?
I was thinking same, just to check the details to make suppositions.Thanks. So it's possible that the v2 black sidebars with undamaged lever saber is the hero/primary
In the scene where Vader force chokes the dude, you can see the black side bar V2 fairly clearly.
Further thoughts -- I completely reject the notion that the production team went through the pains to craft an exact replica of the MPP "emitter" in steel. This seems like a gigantic waste of their time and given the fact that the production was already over schedule to the extent that Fox executives were getting ready to pull the plug why would they do this??
I also reject the notion that the black side bar version is the "Hero" version. I suppose for convenience's sake you could do this but I think it's nonsense -- IT'S THE SAME SABER. To call one version a "Hero" means that they went through a specific process to make it a certain way and I do not think this was the case. They had an accident with piece, it broke, they fixed it.
They is zero evidence to suggest that an MPP was used for any stunt work in ANH.
Very interesting. I've had good luck with VLC player caps from blu-ray rips, so I will try to post some direct caps tomorrow night. I assume the mpp clamp slips somewhat over time, especially after drops and rebuilds between shots, so I am not sure if clamp position/orientation would indicate sidebar color. But I am intrigued by the idea that sidebars were installed backwards with silver side out and black side in. Do the black sidebars have a silver side?
Respectfully Gents here are some further thoughts -- I completely reject the notion that the production team went through the pains to craft an exact replica of the MPP "emitter" in steel. This seems like a gigantic waste of their time and resources and given the fact that the production was already over schedule to the extent that Fox executives were getting ready to pull the plug and go with what they had why would they do this??
I also have great difficulty with the notion that the black side bar version is the "Hero" version. I suppose for convenience's sake you could call it that but I think it's nonsense -- IT'S THE SAME SABER. If it were a totally different prop piece, like the Greedo Killer for example, then I would be better disposed to agree. But to call one version of it a "Hero" means that they went through a specific process to ensure it appeared a certain way and and the other was a back-up which I do not think this was the case. I think they are both the "Hero" version -- they had an accident with the prop, it broke, they fixed it, and goofed when they did. The question now becomes which variation do you chose to model for your collection black or silver side bars?
Unless you have something that we haven't seen, there is zero evidence to suggest that an MPP was used for any stunt work in ANH. The only thing that makes sense to me to call stunt work is the lightsaber duel and that was done using the motorized Graflex replica with the tip painted black. That is what appears in every production still I have seen. I will happily change that opinion when I see something that shows otherwise.
I'm sorry guys but we are waaaaay over-thinking this -- and I know this is the RPF and that's what we do here -- but we need to look deeper than a few screen grabs. We have to compare production timelines and the practicality of what we are suggesting.
My $.02
Dave
We're talking about the bars for ANH, but the shroud we're talking about is from the ESB/ROTJ hero.
did some home work this afternoon before heading into work. watched ESB trying to find every shot of the MPP hanging on the belt. i dont believe there is any shots of the MPP with silver bars in ESB
this scene here the saber moves around alittle, i think we can see the bubbles here
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6053.jpg
then later on we get this clear shot with the saber bouncing around. black side bars i believe for sure
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6120.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6129.jpg
while he's moving down we do see this flash, but again i believe its the bubbles reflecting light
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6133.jpg
"he will join us or die, my master"
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6279.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-10379.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-11057.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-13476.jpg
am i missing something or is the silver side bars never seen in ESB?
did some home work this afternoon before heading into work. watched ESB trying to find every shot of the MPP hanging on the belt. i dont believe there is any shots of the MPP with silver bars in ESB
this scene here the saber moves around alittle, i think we can see the bubbles here
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6053.jpg
then later on we get this clear shot with the saber bouncing around. black side bars i believe for sure
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6120.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6129.jpg
while he's moving down we do see this flash, but again i believe its the bubbles reflecting light
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6133.jpg
"he will join us or die, my master"
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-6279.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-10379.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-11057.jpg
http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-13476.jpg
am i missing something or is the silver side bars never seen in ESB?