The red jewel was seen very clearly in Friday's Child and Assignment: Earth, and less clearly (but still distinctly) in Return of the Archons, A Private Little War, and The Galileo Seven. In Assignment: Earth, both the red jewel and blue watch crown are clearly shown. GJ's hero makes the third look (seen in Shore Leave), and in the absence of proof to the contrary, I'm going with only three hero P1s ever made -- one to go with each hero, plus one with velcro.
Well, I don't know about "generally accepted" anything in this hobby. Even when something is firmly established from a known original, there's no shortage of people who dispute it. But I meant 2 pistols and 3 P1s.I noticed a crown on the hero p1 in the screencap from 'Is there in truth no Beauty?' as well. Seems like the heroes had them but not the midgrades. Btw I thought there were only 2 hero pistol bodies and 2 p1s? So is it now generally accepted that there were actually 3 hero p1s and 3 pistol bodies?
My take on it is that the MR will not drop in price immediately..But I would say sometime around a year and a half from now, I wouldn't be surprised if we see em at $600.00-$700.00. That's providing that Wand production was reasonably high and they produced alot of them.In addition, High ticket items also have a limited amount of high ticket buyers..I used to do collectable records..Long ago, I came across A very rare and valuable 45 RPM record, worth a few thousand...took over a year to unload it, as the top collectors that would pay for it, already had it, and I had to sell it for less just to get rid of it...Safe to assume some buyers go out and raise , or borrow the money to get something expensive...With the wand, they won't have to do that, so that might also narrow down the list of potential buyers of the MR units..
Well, I don't know about "generally accepted" anything in this hobby. Even when something is firmly established from a known original, there's no shortage of people who dispute it. But I meant 2 pistols and 3 P1s.
My comment is more of an educated guess based on what was seen on the show, plus experience and common sense. One regular hero P1 for each pistol, plus one with Velcro for when an actor has it on his belt. The heroes were expensive and time-consuming to make, so I can't think of a reason they'd make any more than the three we see.
But I think we'll really learn the truth when TOS comes out in 4K.
Sounds reasonable, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder too. I was in a position to buy either (or both) and opted to get the Wand. Since that time, between posts here and additional research I've done on the MR, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase and see no need whatsoever to buy a MR phaser. Considering the varying degrees of mistakes on both replicas, I would suggest at this point in the game, the only reason someone would purchase a MR is to buy a MR, not because it's the closest thing to the real prop.I honestly don't think the Wand phaser is really going to have any impact on the MR price. The wand phaser is a very nice novelty prop (and VERY well done to boot, I have two on the way) but not really in the same collectible league as the MR (and I don't think it is intended to be). Anyone who can afford an MR can likely afford to also buy a Wand Co but the reverse is not necessarily true. I could see these having more of an effect on the moded DS phaser market as these are closer to the hero, have the metal parts, and cost less than it would cost to mod the DS.
I see what you're saying, but I just don't think that's firm enough. Quick points:There were at least three hero P1s: the Greg Jein with Velcro and no jewel, the Finney/TMOST with a blue watch crown, and the Nona with a red jewel with no bezel. And at least three hero pistols: GJ and Finney, both with a bottom front screw on the right side of the seam. And the "Conscience of the King" P2 with a front screw on the left side of the seam, and what appears to be a bottom rear screw as well.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...enore Phaser/TheConscienceOfTheKingPasers.jpg
I honestly don't think the Wand phaser is really going to have any impact on the MR price. The wand phaser is a very nice novelty prop (and VERY well done to boot, I have two on the way) but not really in the same collectible league as the MR (and I don't think it is intended to be). Anyone who can afford an MR can likely afford to also buy a Wand Co but the reverse is not necessarily true. I could see these having more of an effect on the moded DS phaser market as these are closer to the hero, have the metal parts, and cost less than it would cost to mod the DS.
I see what you're saying, but I just don't think that's firm enough. Quick points:
- The first row with O'Reilly certainly does appear to have the screw on the right. That plus the GJ makes two pistols for sure, plus we saw two heroes in the same shot in at least two episodes, The Galileo Seven and The Man Trap.
That's the GJ hero. The mids hadn't been made yet, they didn't appear until later in the season.The middle photo in the second row, on the belt, is a midgrade, not a hero. No help there.
True, like I said it appears to be a screw. It's definitely a physical detail not present on any other phaser, and distinguishes it from the other two heroes.The raised feature on the back of that other pistol could be a screw, or it could be something else...
No, but we see three distinctly different heroes in unrelated scenes.We never see three hero pistols in the same shot at any time in the entire series...
Reilly's phaser has the screw on the left side, opposite where it is on GJ and Finney.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/robn1/Hero Phaser/Conscience-leftscrew_zps88ea3087.jpg
With you so far...GJ.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/robn1/Hero Phaser/GJ-rightscrew_zps758c43fa.jpg
Finney.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/robn1/Hero Phaser/Finney-rightscrew_zps24eaeb9c.jpg
Cloud Minders, most likely Finney.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/robn1/Hero Phaser/CloudMinders-rightscrew_zpsa4f5470b.jpg
Calling shenanigans on this one. Where did that information come from? Just because they didn't appear until later, doesn't mean they weren't on hand.That's the GJ hero. The mids hadn't been made yet, they didn't appear until later in the season.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/robn1/Hero%20Phaser/Conscience-GJ_zpsb7c2c8c1.jpg
It's definitely physically there, but we can't tell if it's a screw or a stray piece of tape or a giant booger, nor is there any way to know whether it's still one of the same two props with the alleged screw added temporarily and removed later. I'm just saying it's not definitive because it's the only such shot you've posted, and it's blurry as all hell. I'm just not willing to hang my hat on something that thin.True, like I said it appears to be a screw. It's definitely a physical detail not present on any other phaser, and distinguishes it from the other two heroes.
Your statement assumes the premise that it is a screw in the first place, and that it was always there, and I just don't think that's established. I'm not ruling out the possibility here, I'm just saying that I don't see anything to show that it's any more than speculation.No, but we see three distinctly different heroes in unrelated scenes.
I think we're having a left/right thing. I meant the right when you're looking at it, which would put the GJ on the left. We both mean the same thing.
With you so far...
Calling shenanigans on this one. Where did that information come from? Just because they didn't appear until later, doesn't mean they weren't on hand.
Your statement assumes the premise that it is a screw in the first place, and that it was always there, and I just don't think that's established. I'm not ruling out the possibility here, I'm just saying that I don't see anything to show that it's any more than speculation.
I would say that I don't think that will be the case...as said before, once something comes reasonably close in quality, and accuracy to an unreasonably expensive item, the vast majority of purchasers will almost always choose the cheaper of the two...
True enough, the other caps you posted are much clearer.Anyway, the Velcro P2 in Conscience is clearly not a mid.
I follow you, but what's your basis for saying that the GJ and Finney are two different pistols?Two phasers with a screw on the right (GJ and Finney), one with a screw on the left (Reilly). I can't imagine why they would move a screw from one side to another, so I'll stick with three hero pistols.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...apshot_010113_20141210_171031_zpsc3ed1b02.jpg
Actually, it does hold the two halves together. There's a brass plate inside that the screw goes into. The rest of the holding is done by the fins in the rear, and to some extent the aluminum clip on the top. In this photo you can see the plate, right behind the nozzle, with a nut glued on top to hold the screw.Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is that screw supposed to DO anyway?? It cant hold both halves together simply by virtue of its location?...so what is it there for?? what's its function??
Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is that screw supposed to DO anyway?? It cant hold both halves together simply by virtue of its location?...so what is it there for?? what's its function??
15 years studying TOS props, and I still learn new stuff all the time...There Is a brass tab that's threaded on the other half of the body that does help hold the phaser together along with the back fins. if i'm not mistaken.
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my bad. i thought the brass part was just threaded. cool learning more everyday..
They're there, just blurred out in that frame, either by movement or digital compression. Look at all the frames of O'Reilly that Rob posted above. They're in the second and third frames.Hey look at the photos of the "King" phaser. (This may be old news) Did you guys notice that there are no side ribs WTF??????
How does that even happen???
I figured that was part of the mold, maybe those were glued on the heros????
I tapped the brass tab on my build, because I thought it was more elegant than gluing a nut on it. Maybe that's where you got the thought.i thought the brass part was just threaded. cool learning more everyday..
Three clues. GJ and Finney have different nozzle positions, Finney must be 1/8in higher.I follow you, but what's your basis for saying that the GJ and Finney are two different pistols?