mad-law-creations Dredd Helmet ?????
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I believe that is a recast of the Hall of Justice helmet Steve Noden won in the prop-store auction and then repaired and offered for sale, so yes it is 2nd gen recast of production used, but you could get one direct from the original mold (now owned by Lee Fields) for less iirc
Scoots3567
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Andy3E is, sadly, quite correct. The circumstances are as follows..
MadLaw bid for and won a helmet being sold on ebay as a production lid. This came from a mysterious source with no provenance whatsoever, other than a handwritten note which appeared to be from a South African TalkRadio show host (bizarre and irrelevant). However, the helmet was compared against the Steve Noden repaired lid (now produced and sold by Lee Fields), by several persons with an intimate knowledge of several unique aspects of Steve's lid, resulting from the repairs he had to make, prior to production. I, personally, stopped counting at 15 such points, all of which were identical. One, in particular, which I had first pointed out to Steve, while checking another recast, is an absolute clincher.
Steve messaged MadLaw to ask him about this and inform him of what we had found. At this time MadLaw was still a member of, and selling through, the Facebook Judges groups. At this point, however, MadLaw ceased communications, left the groups, and I believe he blocked Steve, before selling solely on ebay, with these claims, for which he STILL has NO provenance whatsoever.
He was obviously the victim of a con and a recaster, himself. Buy he is now perpetuating and making handsome sums from recasting the work of another.
And that's how it went.
I hope this helps.
MadLaw bid for and won a helmet being sold on ebay as a production lid. This came from a mysterious source with no provenance whatsoever, other than a handwritten note which appeared to be from a South African TalkRadio show host (bizarre and irrelevant). However, the helmet was compared against the Steve Noden repaired lid (now produced and sold by Lee Fields), by several persons with an intimate knowledge of several unique aspects of Steve's lid, resulting from the repairs he had to make, prior to production. I, personally, stopped counting at 15 such points, all of which were identical. One, in particular, which I had first pointed out to Steve, while checking another recast, is an absolute clincher.
Steve messaged MadLaw to ask him about this and inform him of what we had found. At this time MadLaw was still a member of, and selling through, the Facebook Judges groups. At this point, however, MadLaw ceased communications, left the groups, and I believe he blocked Steve, before selling solely on ebay, with these claims, for which he STILL has NO provenance whatsoever.
He was obviously the victim of a con and a recaster, himself. Buy he is now perpetuating and making handsome sums from recasting the work of another.
And that's how it went.
I hope this helps.
That's why I always check.
Thanks guys.
Looks like Lee Fields is the one to talk to.
Is that the one that was here by one of our members who won it and it had the broken piece that goes over the visor??
Sorry I don't know everyone's screen names with real names, etc.
Thanks again
Thanks guys.
Looks like Lee Fields is the one to talk to.
Is that the one that was here by one of our members who won it and it had the broken piece that goes over the visor??
Sorry I don't know everyone's screen names with real names, etc.
Thanks again
I believe it was this one http://www.propstore.com/product/dredd/unfinished-silver-judge-helmet-089/
mquin skywalker
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i have a madlaw lid its superb and a great guy to deal with
SnarkyArts
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Lee Field's Etsy page:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/BawzProps?ref=search_shop_redirect
https://www.etsy.com/shop/BawzProps?ref=search_shop_redirect
blackheart
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Bought this helmet from mad-law-creations..1st time a bit miss communication..after I send a post at therpf..then finally mad-law-creations send me the helmet
that looks pretty great if you ask me! can't wait to receive mine.
did it come padded? i can't tell in the pics
although, that's quite misleading compared to the image on his ebay.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd....4_10152314206216466_9096618759380234879_o.jpg
that one looks far more screen accurate than what you got
and mquin skywalker's mad-law helmet in his photos looks closer to the one on his ebay. what's going on?
did it come padded? i can't tell in the pics
although, that's quite misleading compared to the image on his ebay.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd....4_10152314206216466_9096618759380234879_o.jpg
that one looks far more screen accurate than what you got
and mquin skywalker's mad-law helmet in his photos looks closer to the one on his ebay. what's going on?
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mquin skywalker
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yes mate that one in blacheart pic is the v1 he did mines the updated one taken from a production one,and yes it comes padded but still needs more to fit snug
mines exactly like the one you put a link too
mines exactly like the one you put a link too
mquin skywalker
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yes mate
Scoots3567
Active Member
Boy, theRPF sure has changed - and not for the better - when recasting is routinely accepted. And endorsed??
So, it's OKAY that he is recasting, as long as people get "nice" helmets? That would be almost funny if it wasn't for the fact that a genuine screen cast helmet - a quality helmet from a professional maker - can be obtained finished, custom painted and visor installed for around the same as this guy is charging for his knock offs. Or should that be rip offs?
Anyone looking for a decent helmet, there really only is one place to go for GENUINE screen cast helmets - Lee Fields and his BawzProps shop.
Yeah, MadLaw's lid WOULD be (almost) exactly like that shown in the link to Lee's shop, as it's the lid Lee (and Steve Noden before him) made his original lids from that MadLaw has a copy of. Which he copies. And sells on as "genuine screen cast". Dishonest much? Misleading much? Lee now has several lids, including a screen used "Alvarez" lid, and the Joe Browning (JBR) lid, which is one of the chopped down lids made for Urban's incredibly small napper, for his publicity shots and some of the movie scenes. So you now have several options from Lee. The HUGE difference is in the quality, and the making process. Lee's lids are thinner and lighter than the movie originals, but are stronger by far. I mean they can be dropped on to tarmac without damage, and I've seen him repeatedly kick one (really kick, btw - Lee isn't a small chap) around a car park, with minor surface damage only. And I mean MINOR.
Try that with this guy's - or any other lid out there - and you're talking shattered pieces of cheap fibreglass and resin. Choice is yours.
But I really do lament that theRPF has fallen so low as to accept recasting, as well as this sort of practice (which verges on fraud).
So, it's OKAY that he is recasting, as long as people get "nice" helmets? That would be almost funny if it wasn't for the fact that a genuine screen cast helmet - a quality helmet from a professional maker - can be obtained finished, custom painted and visor installed for around the same as this guy is charging for his knock offs. Or should that be rip offs?
Anyone looking for a decent helmet, there really only is one place to go for GENUINE screen cast helmets - Lee Fields and his BawzProps shop.
Yeah, MadLaw's lid WOULD be (almost) exactly like that shown in the link to Lee's shop, as it's the lid Lee (and Steve Noden before him) made his original lids from that MadLaw has a copy of. Which he copies. And sells on as "genuine screen cast". Dishonest much? Misleading much? Lee now has several lids, including a screen used "Alvarez" lid, and the Joe Browning (JBR) lid, which is one of the chopped down lids made for Urban's incredibly small napper, for his publicity shots and some of the movie scenes. So you now have several options from Lee. The HUGE difference is in the quality, and the making process. Lee's lids are thinner and lighter than the movie originals, but are stronger by far. I mean they can be dropped on to tarmac without damage, and I've seen him repeatedly kick one (really kick, btw - Lee isn't a small chap) around a car park, with minor surface damage only. And I mean MINOR.
Try that with this guy's - or any other lid out there - and you're talking shattered pieces of cheap fibreglass and resin. Choice is yours.
But I really do lament that theRPF has fallen so low as to accept recasting, as well as this sort of practice (which verges on fraud).
I get the whole quality argument, that's totally fair. But I don't get why recasting is a big deal. If it's being cast off something that itself is screencast, do you not get a complete identical shape? What about a second hand screen cast, makes it no longer adhere to the screen used items shape? Furthermore, why is it such a big deal even if it wasnt? I see dudes making their misshapen helmets out of cardboard and people go 'awesome job', but when you second hand cast it, you're suddenly the devil.
Like owning the actual screen helmet means you own the rights to it's dimensions alone? There aren't many screen used helmets, and they're hard to acquire and expensive. What you're saying is that if you don't own the screen cast helmet, you have no rights to use it's identical shape?
This whole business seems to completely ignore the original screen used item's creators, who get given no credit or no compensation for people casting off their design. Isn't that a far, far bigger injustice than casting something already screen cast? At the end of the day, why does second hand casting matter, for a costume, of all things? For all intents and purposes, it's the same exact shape as the original helmet, because it's cast from something that's also the same shape as the original helmet.
Like owning the actual screen helmet means you own the rights to it's dimensions alone? There aren't many screen used helmets, and they're hard to acquire and expensive. What you're saying is that if you don't own the screen cast helmet, you have no rights to use it's identical shape?
This whole business seems to completely ignore the original screen used item's creators, who get given no credit or no compensation for people casting off their design. Isn't that a far, far bigger injustice than casting something already screen cast? At the end of the day, why does second hand casting matter, for a costume, of all things? For all intents and purposes, it's the same exact shape as the original helmet, because it's cast from something that's also the same shape as the original helmet.
RogueTrooper
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People get angry because someone has cast off their recast.
Unless YOU OWN THE LICENSE to sell casts from the original prop, ALL you are doing is RECASTING.
It makes me laugh when someone cry's a river over someone stealing their hard work........when all they did was recast NOT from an original.
Just because you're the first person to MAKE A COPY of an original prop WHEN YOU DON'T own the rights.....means you own nothing.
You are talented and people want to buy what you offer, doesn't mean you can wine about someone copying your work when you didn't't create the original or have the rights to sell it.
Unless YOU OWN THE LICENSE to sell casts from the original prop, ALL you are doing is RECASTING.
It makes me laugh when someone cry's a river over someone stealing their hard work........when all they did was recast NOT from an original.
Just because you're the first person to MAKE A COPY of an original prop WHEN YOU DON'T own the rights.....means you own nothing.
You are talented and people want to buy what you offer, doesn't mean you can wine about someone copying your work when you didn't't create the original or have the rights to sell it.
thundrkiss
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Here's the short version,
If you were to buy a screen used helmet from a auction house for thousands of dollars just to have some dirtbag recast it you would be a bit upset as well,
That's almost as bad as someone recasting one of your sculpts in my opinion...
If you were to buy a screen used helmet from a auction house for thousands of dollars just to have some dirtbag recast it you would be a bit upset as well,
That's almost as bad as someone recasting one of your sculpts in my opinion...
RogueTrooper
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I know this is a HUGE issue in the replica prop world.
If I personally sculpt a movie prop helmet and cast from that sculpt and then sell the cast to others......how can I be upset if others cast off that sold item.
I have no rights to the original prop, regardless of how much I paid...........all I did was copy.......and others copy it....
I think it all comes down to people pissed off because THEY think on some level the prop they sculpted or rendered it on some level.
There is no OWNERSHIP.............The right to copy is held by the people who BUY the license to copy.
Mostly at the RPF......all we do is fan based COPY.
