STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

I don't know, I don't think that the characters look all that Disney like and even if they do what does it matter as long as the writing is good. To me the character designs look like The Clone Wars expect less angular and I actually didn't like TCW character designs at first but I got used to it and got sucked in by the writing. This is the same problem that some people have with anime, they can't get past the character designs to appreciate the writing.

As far as Mandalorians go, TCW had a couple of episodes featuring Mandos and there were female Mandos in them. So that shows that there is a precedence for female Mandalorians and a canon one at that since TCW is canon.


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I'd like to see a more mature Star Wars show, maybe something more dramatic and less kid-aimed. Sort of Tour of Duty meets Star Wars, it would allow the material to get back to the true historical inspirations that Lucas had for what he thought the Empire to be like.
 
Riceball said:
I don't know, I don't think that the characters look all that Disney like and even if they do what does it matter as long as the writing is good. To me the character designs look like The Clone Wars expect less angular and I actually didn't like TCW character designs at first but I got used to it and got sucked in by the writing...
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Agreed.


And to those haters out there, I am not sure why more refined CGI animation = Ariel. As technology advances, the ability to more detailed animation within a show's budget is possible. This allows then to do more roundness when needed instead of a sharp edge. Even within the run of Clone Wars, they re-did and refined the look of the characters. Also, you have to remember that this show is also trying to include Ralph McQuarrie style influences. If you look at the picture of the female Mandos from the two different shows are very similar in style. And why not? Most of the same people are working on Rebels as The Clone Wars.

Here is an some info about the people working on the show (If you doubt the content, then you can confirm it through other resources):

Star Wars Rebels - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

Lucasfilm Ltd. veteran sculptor Darren Marshall, who worked on Star Wars: The Clone Wars prior to its cancellation, developed sculpts for the core characters of Star Wars Rebels before leaving Lucasfilm in June 2013.[11] By December2013, the production crew had finished developing the series' first season and had begun animating the first script.[12]As of January 2014, the scripts for Season One were halfway completed. Voice-recording had been finished for five episodes, with three more episodes undergoing storyboarding, two more undergoing animation, and the first episode undergoing lighting. Sound design was also underway, with a theme in place for the series.[4] On January 17, animation supervisor Keith Kellogg announced that the production crew had wrapped up animation on the first episode of the series.[13]
To aid in animating the show, Lucasfilm developed a special tool for Adobe Photoshop that emulates Ralph McQuarrie's artistic style.[14]
Star Wars Rebels is overseen by three executive producers: Dave Filoni, who served as supervising director on Star Wars: The Clone Wars; Simon Kinberg, who wrote the series' first episode; and Greg Weisman.[15] In addition to Filoni, the Rebels production team includes several crew members returning from Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Athena Portilloas line producer, Kilian Plunkett as art director, Joel Aron as CG effects supervisor, Keith Kellogg as animation supervisor, and Steward Lee as episodic director. Lee, Filoni's longest-running episodic director from The Clone Wars, is joined in directorial duties by brother Steve Lee, a veteran of LucasArts.[2]
Other returning crew members from The Clone Wars include Amy Beth Christenson, Andre Kirk, Pat Presley, and Chris Glenn on the concept art team, managed by Liz Cummings, as well as Paul Zinnes on the development team.[15] Pablo Hidalgo, a member of the Lucasfilm Story Group, also works with the team as a fact-checker.[2][7]
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I also do not know why this and Clone Wars got pegged as a kids show. It is not. It was something kids could enjoy but the story and situations were very adult oriented. There are not many kid shows where people are getting killed on a regular basis.

The thinking that Disney fired all the staff and replaced them with Disney people is asinine. The addition of LFL and the properties is a huge addition. Any change in the animation team was a decision by LFL and/or by the member. Disney Studios have their own animators, Pixar has their own animators, and LFL have their own animators. Also ridiculous is the idea that even if they put a disney animator to work on the project, that guy doesn't decide how the character looks. The is done by the design team which are LFL members that worked on The Clone Wars.

Stop saying that Disney is forcing LFL to do this or that without any proof. That kind of talk is just conspiracy crap. You obviously have some beef about something and you are looking make up or twist facts just so you can bad mouth a project you know nothing about and most likely never had any plans to in the first place.
 
I can't speak for anyone else, but I assumed it was a "kids show" because of the animation style chosen for the CGI Clone Wars. The look of the characters is actually fairly child-like, with a shortened skull, thin jaw, and large eyes. Similar proportions as an infant or small child, actually, or at least reminiscent of them.

Now, it's true that you could argue this look also applies to most anime, but I'm personally not as used to this look as I am to anime.

I paid a little attention to the concept when the show was first announced, but (A) I didn't like the character design at the time it launched, and (B) I seem to recall hearing that the theatrically-released film was pretty over-the-top cartoony, particularly the Hutt character who apparently sounded like Truman Capote? Anyway, what little I heard and saw turned me off.

It really wasn't until folks here started saying "No, seriously, it's good. It's what the prequels should've been" and such that I started thinking there might be something to it. But the initial animation style certainly turned me off. It just seemed very...I dunno...kiddie-looking. Coupled with my already intense disdain for the prequels, I just gave it a miss altogether. Now I'm thinking I'll check it out, given that it sounds like it wound up being better than expected.
 
Jeyl said:
Wow. They're really going out of their way to not feature any female presence in this show. The only female presence I've seen so far is a female mechanic who just happens to be a Twi'lek. Cripes, it's like they actually wanted a female twi'lek to be the ship's mechanic just so they can find an excuse to get her dirtied up every episode. A lack of any mention of her character in these "character" videos doesn't show any signs of promise.
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I just want to quote this for posterity as a cautionary tale about pulling the trigger too fast.
 
Part of the issue folks have with animation style is that people equate CGI as either: cartoony kid style or videogame adult/mature style which is more realistic but a lot longer to create. I'd love to see a more realistic style but for an animated series that could be really restrictive in time and money plus this being disney they want to keep with the styles they use most. This style actually looks a bit like some of the characters in the Kingdomhearts games that disney/square make together. I wasn't a fan of clone wars when it was announced but when i did manage to catch episodes it wasn't bad, even if anakin was still a punk. I loved the little old style news reel intros they did, it gave them a feel of the old serials Lucas used to see at the theater as a kid that gave him ideas.
 
Bryancd said:
I just want to quote this for posterity as a cautionary tale about pulling the trigger too fast.
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Good one. Jeyl's comment also fails to take account that female in the Mando(esque) armor, but of course that's just pandering and an excuse to have her dirtied up every episode. shoot guns and kick butt because we all know that just wearing armor and kicking general ass does not make a female character strong.
 
Riceball said:
Good one. Jeyl's comment also fails to take account that female in the Mando(esque) armor, but of course that's just pandering and an excuse to have her dirtied up every episode. shoot guns and kick butt because we all know that just wearing armor and kicking general ass does not make a female character strong.
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I believe she scored points because her voice actor is a minority...

Hopefully this will end false mysogeny claims against this series.
 
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Wes R said:
Part of the issue folks have with animation style is that people equate CGI as either: cartoony kid style or videogame adult/mature style which is more realistic but a lot longer to create. I'd love to see a more realistic style but for an animated series that could be really restrictive in time and money plus this being Disney they want to keep with the styles they use most. This style actually looks a bit like some of the characters in the Kingdomhearts games that Disney/Square make together. I wasn't a fan of Clone Wars when it was announced but when I did manage to catch episodes it wasn't bad, even if Anakin was still a punk. I loved the little old style news reel intros they did, it gave them a feel of the old serials Lucas used to see at the theater as a kid that gave him ideas.
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Add to that that animation is still not taken very seriously by the general public in this country, the attitude that if something is animated it's a cartoon and cartoons are for kids still lagely prevails. This attitude has largely carried over to CG animation except that the attitude is that if the characters are not designed in a realistic manner then it automatically means that the show is just a CG cartoon and is meant for kids. I've seen the same attitude prevail amongst some American anime fans, they judge a show solely by its character designs and will automatically dismiss any anime that isn't done in a more realistic style despite the fact that character designs don't always dictate whether a given show is serious or more comedic in nature.
 
Is being a female minority an automatic bonus in Jeyl's book? I would have thought that he would dismiss that as something akin to tokenism so that they say they cast a woman who is also a minority when she's the token women who also happens to be the token minority, or something to that effect.
 
Wes R said:
I loved the little old style news reel intros they did, it gave them a feel of the old serials Lucas used to see at the theater as a kid that gave him ideas.
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Love it too. When I heard that for the first time (in the theaters for the Clone Wars movie) it totally caught me off guard. Then I'm like… Oh! Duh! Vintage WWII newsreels. When I used to watch the movies (Eps I-VI) I always read the crawl in my head in the deep, low, and slow. But now when I watch those crawls, I hear that narrator's voice in my head.

Riceball said:
Is being a female minority an automatic bonus in Jeyl's book?...
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Jeyl? FRAK'EM! I took advantage of the board's "ignore" function to make his past and future posts disappear. I figure why deal with trolls when you can just keep avoid them.
 
Forgive my semantics, but properly used, "animation style" refers to how the characters move, not what they look like. To anyone who studies animation in general, it gets confusing reading threads where people use the term to refer to a production's design style.

"character design" or "production design" or just "design", perhaps?
 
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