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    Apr 9, 2013, 12:14 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3451

    Solo4114 said: View Post
    Actually, TPM taught me not to watch movie trailers. Cool moments are often revealed in them (EG. "ZOMGDOUBLESABRE!!!!"), and they can often set up wrong expectations (EG "ZOMGTHISMOVIEWILLROCK!!!").

    I skipped them for the next two films and didn't feel I'd missed anything. Sadly, I didn't end up enjoying the films more, but I suppose maybe I didn't get my hopes up again either.

    The enjoyment of getting my hopes up is the only thing that made up for the letdown. At least I can look back fondly on that time period between the trailer and the premier.
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    Apr 9, 2013, 12:39 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3452

    Not me. It made the letdown worse for me. By the time I got to episode 3, I was neither disappointed, nor enthused. It was just a movie I went to see. I felt a little sad that Star Wars had (at that point) ended with a lame whimper.
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    Apr 9, 2013, 1:16 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3453

    The Prometheus trailer is a great example of why I don't think I necessarily want to see trailer. It set up so many expectations for that film, that when I finally saw it, it was a pretty big let down compared to what the trailers "promised". I think I would have enjoyed it more had I never seen the trailer or followed all the hype and analyzation of every frame of the trailers up to its release
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    Apr 9, 2013, 1:33 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3454

    blakeh1 said: View Post
    The Prometheus trailer is a great example of why I don't think I necessarily want to see trailer. It set up so many expectations for that film, that when I finally saw it, it was a pretty big let down compared to what the trailers "promised". I think I would have enjoyed it more had I never seen the trailer or followed all the hype and analyzation of every frame of the trailers up to its release
    This. Or at least found it less disappointing because you went in with no reinforced preconceived notions beyond what your imagination could concoct. It's not like "But they TOLD me it'd be cool, dammit!!"
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    Apr 10, 2013, 12:35 AM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3455

    I have never been spoiled for a movie by watching it's trailer, except to say "that trailer sucked, I'm not seeing that movie." And you're more likely to be disappointed if you go in to a movie with only your own imaginings and expectations of what should happen. That's exactly what happened with the prequels and people hated them because of it.
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    Apr 13, 2013, 5:04 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3456

    Well if we've learned anything from Star Trek, it's that anything JJ Abrams does will have nothing ruined by the trailer. I mean, Star Wars Episode VII is shaping up to be the most secretive movie in film history.
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    Apr 13, 2013, 5:32 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3457

    well it is over 2 years away
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    Apr 13, 2013, 5:43 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3458

    CalMusquez said: View Post
    Well if we've learned anything from Star Trek, it's that anything JJ Abrams does will have nothing ruined by the trailer. I mean, Star Wars Episode VII is shaping up to be the most secretive movie in film history.

    And that's not a bad thing...
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    Apr 14, 2013, 10:49 AM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3459

    CalMusquez said: View Post
    Well if we've learned anything from Star Trek, it's that anything JJ Abrams does will have nothing ruined by the trailer. I mean, Star Wars Episode VII is shaping up to be the most secretive movie in film history.
    I don't think JJ would spoil his movie with a trailer, but don't underestimate Star Wars fans. I think there will much more of a craze surrounding Episode VII than this Star Trek movie. I am sure spoilers will be available, so I will be clicking on less links the closer we get. Its two years away so we have some time, lol.
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    Apr 14, 2013, 3:11 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3460

    Still getting myself psyched up for it. I wish they brought our Vader in sooner during episode 3 showing him taking out jedi's and being the bad boy he was supposed to be lol
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    Apr 14, 2013, 7:55 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3461

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    Still getting myself psyched up for it. I wish they brought our Vader in sooner during episode 3 showing him taking out jedi's and being the bad boy he was supposed to be lol
    Well, spilled milk and all that, but...

    ...the sequels are another chance to pick up where the originals left off. You know, redemption...!
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    Apr 14, 2013, 8:04 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3462

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    Still getting myself psyched up for it. I wish they brought our Vader in sooner during episode 3 showing him taking out jedi's and being the bad boy he was supposed to be lol
    He killed little kids, how much more bad do you want him to be?!
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    Apr 17, 2013, 11:14 AM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3463

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    He killed little kids, how much more bad do you want him to be?!
    I think he was referring to "the mask".
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    Apr 17, 2013, 12:22 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3464

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    He killed little kids, how much more bad do you want him to be?!
    You raise a good point, and one that gets me thinking. I tend to think that ROTS did a weak job at making Vader evil, and that's in spite of Anakin killing the younglings. I mean, yeah, that's an absolutely evil act, but Anakin's turn to becoming Darth Vader just wasn't handled that well.

    It seems to happen for reasons that I, at least, didn't expect (Unresolved separation anxiety is what causes a guy to want to blow up the galaxy? Really?). And then when he does act evil, he acts evil in a way that is really over the top in terms of the tone of the films and such. It's almost a conscious thing just HOW evil that move is, and it....I dunno....just doesn't "fit" if you will.

    Particularly in the context of "The Jedi are trying to take down Palpatine and I have to stop them," why are you attacking the kids? THEY'RE not trying to take down Palpatine. It's honestly gratuitous, in my opinion, even though you don't really see it.


    A black-suited Vader hunting down Jedi on the run was what folks expected and what would've fit. But Anakin slaughtering little kids, while, yes, evil and all, is just like "Whoa! WTF? Where'd THAT come from?!" I mean, they might as well just include a scene of him killing puppies or whatever. (I know, I know. They were JEDI puppies.)
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    Apr 17, 2013, 12:36 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3465

    Agreed. I actually liked that there was some conflict in him when he lashed out at the sandpeople in AOTC. His character would have benefited from a slower, more internally conflicting, descent to evil.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 12:39 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3466

    And one that didn't revolve primarily around missing his mom.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 12:40 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3467

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    And one that didn't revolve primarily around missing his mom.
    What's wrong with missing your Mom?
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    Apr 17, 2013, 12:44 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3468

    Patton Oswalt's Improvised, Uncut STAR WARS VII Pitch Is Genius | Badass Digest

    Sadly NBC has not made it accessible for viewers outside US. I am waiting for another link.

    EDIT:
    Okay managed to see it using a proxy. Patton Oswalt is awesome and hilarious , also it's all improvised in a single continuous take.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 2:20 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3470

    Let me be the first to say "HOLY CRAP"!!!
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    Apr 17, 2013, 2:21 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3471

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    What's wrong with missing your Mom?
    Nothing wrong with it, I think it could have been a great source of anger in Anakin if they had used it better but I think the real issue most have with it is that Anakin was so young when we met him that you can't help but see him as a "little kid that misses his mommy". That angle sucks.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but if I were to alter his origin story but keep the same general principle I would have him older and already a pilot before Obi-wan meets him and then reveal through backstory that he and his mother were slaves (father not in the picture, not needed in this case) and he was able to escape but his mother wasn't. He lives with the guilt of leaving his mother behind and then tries to save her at some point only to find that she's dead or dying.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 2:23 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3472

    Insane. Here's hoping they're good!

    My kids will be 9 and 6 in 2015. PRIME age for these films. Even if they're not great it'll be fantastic taking them to see them.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 2:36 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3473

    Awww. Star Wars movies are supposed to be release three years apart. That is tradition, damnit!
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    Apr 17, 2013, 3:02 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3474

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    What's wrong with missing your Mom?
    In general terms? Nothing, and it's entirely natural that he would.

    Within the context of the Star Wars films? It's a LOUSY motivation for Darth Vader's turn to evil. It makes him appear more of a victim than a villain, and it infantilizes him (although as MB/OB says below, that was at least partially due to Ep. 1 being set when he's just a child anyway). Mostly, though, it doesn't jibe with what we see of Vader later. His (apparent) motivations have nothing to do with the scared little boy we see in Ep. 1, or the still-pretty-much-a-scared-little-boy we see in Ep. 3.

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    Nothing wrong with it, I think it could have been a great source of anger in Anakin if they had used it better but I think the real issue most have with it is that Anakin was so young when we met him that you can't help but see him as a "little kid that misses his mommy". That angle sucks.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but if I were to alter his origin story but keep the same general principle I would have him older and already a pilot before Obi-wan meets him and then reveal through backstory that he and his mother were slaves (father not in the picture, not needed in this case) and he was able to escape but his mother wasn't. He lives with the guilt of leaving his mother behind and then tries to save her at some point only to find that she's dead or dying.
    Yeah, that's closer to what I'd do.


    I always saw it as Anakin meeting Obi-Wan as at least a young man, probably during the Clone Wars when Kenobi was a general. He's a pilot, Kenobi recognizes his force sensitivity, and decides to train him directly. During the war (which would've been the primary focus of the prequels, along with the political stuff surrounding them), Anakin would lose a lot of friends, witness atrocities committed by both sides, and perhaps even see the power of how a single devastating weapon could bring an enemy to its knees and bring about peace that much faster. (Think of the justifications for using the atomic bomb at the end of World War 2. That'd be the justification for the creation of weapons like the Death Star and the drastic expansion of Imperial might.) Each friend who died, each wound he suffered, would only strengthen his resolve to never let this happen again.

    Anakin would've trained as a Jedi, but would've been frustrated at how constrained he was. Likewise, he would've been frustrated at the squabbling of petty bureaucrats in the Senate, and would've advocated for a concentration of executive power in the hands of a single, decisive Emperor. All of this would've been driven by Anakin's desire to ensure that no war like the Clone Wars can ever happen again, and he would take any means necessary to achieve that end.

    Driven by that desire, he'd pursue the use of superweapons, and a turn to the dark side. He'd amass power not merely for the sake of power, but as a means to a political end, that being enforced security. Anyone and anything that stood in his way would be swept aside, always for his notion of the greater good. Eventually, this would bring him into conflict with the Jedi, Obi-Wan, even his wife (and none of that "Jedi are forbidden to marry" crap, either).

    I base all of this on Vader's plea to Luke in ESB that he join him so that they can bring order out of chaos and end the destructive conflict consuming the galaxy. Anakin/Vader would've failed to realize (A) how he'd been corrupted by the Dark Side into doing terrible things, and -- more importantly -- how (B) using "any means necessary" ultimately backfires because you're never strong enough to keep everyone down and you have to become increasingly brutal and harsh to accomplish it, which only fosters greater resistance to your efforts.

    If Palpatine manipulated Anakin, it would've been along THOSE lines, not lines surrounding love. Or, if love was involved, it would be that Anakin had to ensure security for his loved ones. You could still include, say, the death of his mother, which he might've felt was a failure of his that he must work to prevent in the future so that no one else knew the pain he felt. And again, he'd use any means necessary to accomplish that, even if it meant destroying whole planets for "the greater good."

    Maybe Palpatine would've introduced Anakin to the Dark Side of the Force, with Anakin always telling himself "It's ok. I've got it under control. I can quit any time." You get the sense that Vader would happily overthrow Palpatine, if he had Luke as backup. So, that begs the question of why -- what would he accomplish and why would he want it? Power for it's own sake? That's Palpatine's bag. But Anakin/Vader could've been a lot more complex and interesting as a fallen-hero-***-villain. What happens when the man who's driven to protect everyone at all costs accumulates power, and in so doing, loses himself and becomes the thing everyone needs protecting from?


    That, to me, is a WAY more interesting story than the one we got. Plus, it'd fit a lot better than the emotional wreck Anakin turned out to be. All the evil actions he undertook -- even the killing of the younglings -- would make sense in that context. When he's driven basically by his desire to save JUST Padme, and when we see how he was separated from and then lost his mom at an early age, it just looks like he's a whiny, scared little boy. That character doesn't match up to the Vader we see in the OT.
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    Apr 17, 2013, 3:54 PM - Re: Star Wars Episode VII #3475

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    Insane. Here's hoping they're good!

    My kids will be 9 and 6 in 2015. PRIME age for these films. Even if they're not great it'll be fantastic taking them to see them.
    My nephew will be 11 - for the most part he loved the prequels (as do most of his friends). Perfect timing...

    I need to start talking my sister into letting him go to the midnight screening with me.

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