The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread

[Timmythekid]

Weirder still is reading through the transcripts of the script/story meetings for Raiders. Lucas clearly understands what the film should be, understands where it needs to be grounded, while Speilberg is the one with the wacko, groan-inducing bullcrap ideas, and over-the-top silliness. As a result, anytime someone defaults to "the problems with KotCS were all Lucas's fault!" I really have to wonder...

 

[Jeyl]

Weirder still is reading through the transcripts of the script/story meetings for Raiders. Lucas clearly understands what the film should be, understands where it needs to be grounded, while Speilberg is the one with the wacko, groan-inducing bullcrap ideas, and over-the-top silliness. As a result, anytime someone defaults to "the problems with KotCS were all Lucas's fault!" I really have to wonder...

Ah, back in the days when the Star Wars movies were still unaltered and now they're being constantly changed by Lucas' ever changing vision with no rhyme or reason. Sure, I didn't like KotCS, but if you're going to compare both men, I think I'm going to go with the guy who just recently stated that not only will Raiders be untouched for it's BluRay release, but also that the alterations he did for the Special Edition release of E.T. was a mistake.

 

[Timmythekid]

Oh, hell no, don't get me wrong I'm not for a minute suggesting that Speilberg is going to allow any changes to Raiders (apart from what was already done for the DVD release - sure we won't see those reveresed). I was actually DELIGHTED to read the report from the Raiders screening a few weeks ago where the 'Berg essentially announced that when ET hits Blu, he's not even including the SE version, that it was an ill-advised mistake to have done it in the first place.

I'm just saying everyone going on and on about how it's too bad Lucas ran roughshod across poor defensless, powerless Steven Speilberg in the making of KotCS, forcing monkeys and gophers, and acres of other stupid crap into the film (Lucas you bad man!), needs to look at which one of the two men is documented as having ideas just as terrible as all of those regarding the Indy films from day one; which one of them said that to make indy work he needed to be a real guy, grounded in a real world, and which one of them came up with that insanely protracted chase scene for RotS.

 

[niennumb1]

It was merely a concept and shouldn't be assumed that Spielberg orchestrated every shot from start to finish. He probably had ideas and those pre-viz guys were supposed to just create something based off what Spielberg's ideas might have been, but it's also VERY possible they could have taken a look at the pre-viz animatics and said that it was way too over-the-top. Just because it's there for us to see doesn't mean that was necessarily his vision 100%. Look at what Lucas does in being vague and asking the team to just use their imagination and think of some ideas in the conceptualizing process. I don't think you can pin that entire sequence on Spielberg. It was also a test for him in seeing what the process of trying CG animatics. Maybe they knew it wasn't going to be used to begin with and were just having fun with it.

 

[The Rock-a-who]

Weirder still is reading through the transcripts of the script/story meetings for Raiders. Lucas clearly understands what the film should be, understands where it needs to be grounded, while Speilberg is the one with the wacko, groan-inducing bullcrap ideas, and over-the-top silliness. As a result, anytime someone defaults to "the problems with KotCS were all Lucas's fault!" I really have to wonder...

I remember reading/hearing somewhere the saucer scene at the end of KOTCS was actually Speilberg's contribution.

We now return you to our previously scheduled boycotting.

 

[Solo4114]

For me, this has never been about a "boycott" in the sense of some coordinated action with an external goal of making someone else do something.

I know my not buying the Blu-rays or further DVDs or whathaveyou doesn't mean squat in the grand scheme of things. It's not like Lucas will say "Dan didn't buy?!! Oh god....WHAT HAVE I DONE?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"

On the other hand, it saves me $80 rather than "settling" for something that -- for me at least -- wouldn't be worth that price. If others make a different decision based on a different calculus, whatever. It's their nickel. The only thing that has not made sense to me -- and which continues to baffle me -- is why someone would complain and then buy. That, to me, is just basic addiction.

 

[NAZGÛL]

Im not very surprised as I dont think there are actually that many complaining, but the ones who does are doing it loud.

The others might see it as some angry nerds complaining about small details changed in the movies they love and might not actually care that much, or they give Lucas the rights to change his films. These are after all just films to most people.

I think an interesting question is if the sells are actually higher because of everything written about it?

 

[dcv]

A New Hope and Empire will forever be favorites of mine, no amount of altering will change that, simply because I'm never going to buy any of the new stuff, I find it embarrassing in many ways to see the extent this has gone to.BUT, Lucas owns his films and can do whatever he wants to them, unfortunately he doesn't seem to respect the impact or quality of his own original unaltered films enough to preserve them, rather he seems to make an effort make them obsolete,and thumb his nose to those who prefer it...to each their own.

I have my original trilogy DVD set, while not in HD or Blu Ray or anamophic, doesn't change anything in my mind, since I never saw them in HD or Blu Ray quality in the theatres anyway.

 

[niennumb1]

I have my original trilogy DVD set, while not in HD or Blu Ray or anamophic, doesn't change anything in my mind, since I never saw them in HD or Blu Ray quality in the theatres anyway.

Well cinema film is higher quality than any HD Blu-Ray, period. Digital Cinemas provide some crystal clear imagery and doesn't wear down like film will time after time, but it still is compressed imagery you are watching to a format projected digitally on the screen.

The way you saw it in theaters I would say is better than Blu-Ray anyway. Blu-Ray offers the most clarity for the home-theater format though and looks astounding.

I love digital just fine, as long as it doesn't look like something from a bad video camera!

 

[smurf]

Just read this from The Digital Bits.

Speaking of Star Wars, 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm have just announced the the BD set broke global sales records, which is probably no surprise. According to their press release, the Star Wars Saga set is now "the bestselling catalog Blu-ray Disc of all time with worldwide sales totaling one million units, including 515,000 units sold in North America in its first week alone. This represents $84 million in worldwide consumer spend including $38 million in North America - unprecedented for a nine-disc Blu-ray collection at a premium price." So there you go. Just in case you were wondering.

How you like that boycott George. That will teach you.

 

[MooCriket]

^Great Kid, don't get cocky.

 

[SVTStingRay]

^great kid, dont get penisy

 

[rodneyfaile]

nerfherders

 

[Commander Max]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so this might have been stated already.

Since Lucas is known for never missing a chance to make a buck.
Why not release a premium package with all of the versions of these films(less the latest). Make it pricey, and add an R2D2 figure.

Better yet, release each version of the films separately.

This whole thing is making me have much more respect for Ridley Scott.
On the Blade Runner DVD he stated that he didn't like theatrical release. But since some of the fans of BR liked it, he included it. He could have played a Lucas, and act like it never happened.

I still wonder why Lucas is so weird on this subject. Given enough time he will eventually replace SW entirely.

 

[AZJedi]

This thread is a big waste if time.... I bought them and they are a great addition. start a topic worth participating in !

 

[TK765]

This thread is a big waste if time.... I bought them and they are a great addition. start a topic worth participating in !

What are you doing here, shouldn't you be watching those wonderfully altered movies you shelled out $80 for?

And yet here you are wasting time :lol

 

[darth_myeek]

This thread is a big waste if time.... I bought them and they are a great addition. start a topic worth participating in !

Might be for you, but there is a large faction of people people who care about preserving the originals and for those this thread has merit.

 

[rodneyfaile]

This whole thing is making me have much more respect for Ridley Scott.
On the Blade Runner DVD he stated that he didn't like theatrical release. But since some of the fans of BR liked it, he included it. He could have played a Lucas, and act like it never happened.

I still wonder why Lucas is so weird on this subject. Given enough time he will eventually replace SW entirely.

I agree.

 

[cayman shen]

This thread is a big waste if time.... I bought them and they are a great addition. start a topic worth participating in !

Make a comment worth responding to.

 

[Solo4114]

Question:

For those sneering at the "Boycott" (which, again, was never really much of a boycott as much as a thread to express frustration), what "victory" or "vindication" do you get from the failure of this not-really-a-boycott, exactly? I mean, what'd you win here, really?

There seems to be this sense of "Nyah nyah! OUR side won, suckers!" To which I cannot help but ask, in the immortal words of Chris Rock, "WHAT THE F$#% DID WE WIN?!"


I mean, are y'all really HAPPY that this will basically just say to Lucas "Keep up the good work!" and encourage him to (A) not release an archival version of the OT, and (B) keep mucking about with it? Or that (C) he'll continue to NOT effectively (from what I've heard, anyway) address technical problems with the transfer like color timing and crushing blacks and such? Or do you just...not really give a crap about any of that? For that matter, what genuine threat did you ever think some "boycott" would pose that you would then revel in its "failure"?