Do Trek fans really hate Wesley Crusher that much?

Sluis Van Shipyards

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Ok so I refer to myself as a casual Trek fan. I watch the shows and played a few games, but I haven't spent any serious money on it. My cousin is a diehard fan and she says that a lot of fans think Wesley Crusher is "the Jar Jar of Star Trek". Is that true? Maybe it's because I was 10 when TNG came on, but I always looked at Wesley as a kind of viewings things the same way the viewers are. He's all excited about whats going on the same way the viewers would react if they got to go through the ship (or set). I never really found him that annoying.
 
A lot of fans did hate him Look Wes saved the ship again! :lol

I enjoyed the character as much as Gene did!
 
I enjoyed the character as much as Gene did!

Gah. You made a joke about it before I even managed to talk about my problems with Wesley.

The character of Wesley Crusher is nothing but a two awful tropes rolled up into one. Canon Sue and Creator's Pet. He's a character that the creator wanted to include for no other reason than self-indulgence, and he always wanted the main characters to praise him in almost everything he did. And I can't really blame Will Wheaton since, let's face it, he was just an element for Gene's own self-gratification. I just... these lines...

*During a hostage situation where the lives of thousands are at stake, Picard makes his most professional decision yet*
PICARD: Why don't you sit at Ops next to Lieutenant La Forge.
WESLEY: Sir?
LAFORGE: Sir?
PICARD: Is the whole ship deaf?! Sit down over there, young man.

*The Traveller seems... interested in Wesley*
TRAVELLER: Such musical genius I saw in one of your ship's libraries. One called Mozart, who as a small child wrote astonishing symphonies. A genius who made music not only to be heard, but seen and felt beyond the understanding, the ability of others. Wesley is such a person. Not with music, but with the equally lovely intricacies of time, energy, propulsion. and the instruments of this vessel which allow all that to be played. You're right, I must hurry now. But you're right in something else. He is just a boy for now. He should be encouraged, but told none of this.

*Lore uses common sense*
LORE: A child!
DATA: He has a child's body, but we have found him to be much more.

*Even after dying, characters still can't stop talking about Wesley*
TASHA: Wesley, I'm sorry I won't be able to see you grow into the exceptional man you'll be. But your kindness and innocence are ageless.

*After getting help from the Enterprise, Geordi knows that this idea could have only come from one person.*
LAFORGE: A stationary neutrino source. Wesley Crusher. Thank you, Wesley.​

Sluis Van Shipyards said:
My cousin is a diehard fan and she says that a lot of fans think Wesley Crusher is "the Jar Jar of Star Trek". Is that true?

No. The difference between Jar Jar and Wesley is that Jar Jar was created solely to fill the role of comic relief. Lucas thought he was funny and that was it. And to Lucas' credit, when critics, audiences and fans alike said that Jar Jar wasn't funny at all, he did tone the character down to almost nothing as the prequels progressed. The strange thing about Gene and Rick was that they always stuck by their guns when they knew an element of a show was becoming problematic to it's audiences. When Beverly left for Starfleet medical (irl, Gates was fired), they decided to keep Wesley onboard even though it didn't make a whole lot of sense. When Neelix was being recognized as one of the most insufferable characters of Voyager, the higher ups decided to ditch his smart, charming and far more interesting former girlfriend and keep him all the way to the end of the series. Lucas may be stubborn, but at least he shows some semblance of flexibility when it comes to critiques.
 
As someone around Wesleys age when the show came out, I hate him, if he was there to represent teenage boys he did a lousy job, especially when they went to the planet of scantily clad hot girls, and one of them wanted to shag him, and he said "no, I'm not ready yet", seriously, what teenage boy says that?

Plus they had the whole inference that Picard was his dad going on, which I am glad never ended up confirmed.
 
Wil Wheaton has a couple vids on youtube out there talking about the fans hatred of Wesley and says that it wasn't entirely unjustified.
 
I didn't hate the character but I hated the way he was used on the show and the inconsistencies in his overall storyline. If written properly with more attention paid to how the character developed he might have been more interesting but as it was he was, to put it mildly, a dork.
 
I didn't hate the character but I hated the way he was used on the show and the inconsistencies in his overall storyline. If written properly with more attention paid to how the character developed he might have been more interesting but as it was he was, to put it mildly, a dork.
Well put. I didn't have a problem so much with the character, now that I think about it. It's more about what the writers did with him. Wil is as much a victim of the writing as the viewer, though. I'm really happy he still can wear his geekdom with pride.
 
"Gee Tasha, why would anyone ever take drugs?"

"Well Wesley, drugs can make you feel good."

I mean really. Gene was an idiot for creating and forcing this character on the show and the fans. He's barely better than Jar Jar Binks.
 
I'm a huge fan of TOS but never got into TNG, partially because I was skeptical at "hearing things" too often. I had no idea this character existed.

Crisis = avoided
 
"Gee Tasha, why would anyone ever take drugs?"

"Well Wesley, drugs can make you feel good."

I mean really. Gene was an idiot for creating and forcing this character on the show and the fans. He's barely better than Jar Jar Binks.

I forgot about that! I just saw that one a few weeks back. It was like they had someone from the White House call and say "Hey you should get in on our anti-drug campaign". It was so forced it just took you out of the show.
 
It was just too much...
First, he was a kid who got on the bridge.
Then he was a genius....
Then he was more than a genius...he was trancendant to the point of becoming a traveler...possibly even Q...
He even got bailed out when he should've been expelled at the academy too.

It's easy to get the audience to root for a kid, but that's not the way to do it. You can't have the only flaw in a character be he's whiny...
 
Wesley was my age when TNG came out. I hated the character. I found him to whiny, pretentious, and waste of space. I still think that all these years later. I felt as though the entire character was aimed at the young teen demographic to get them interested in an old franchise. He was cute to appeal to girls (my wife admits to having a poster of him on her and her twin's wall) and the fact that he was in space was meant to appeal to the boys. It failed. They should have left the character out completely. It is clear that it wasn't needed when he left and only showed up occasionally. In fact, I felt that the shows moved better when the writers didn't force him into the situations.

By the way, I feel the same way about Alexander (Worf's son) and Jake Sisko and Nog (from DS9), though I started to like Nog more towards the end after his character joined Starfleet.
 
I think part of why they hated him was because he was actually as smart, if not smarter, than the adults sometimes, and people hate the idea that the generation younger than them have a better idea about what's going on in the world than they do. Even now, adults hate teenagers who happen to be smarter than them because society deems that the adults are the ones who are suppose to be smarter due to the fact that they're older. Basically, it's what I refer as "agism." In Hollywood, teenagers are either meant to be the stereotypical "high school student" who have the typical archetypes that they're suppose to follow, or they're just meant to be the sons and daughters of the lead characters, just basic background pieces.

I could be wrong, of course. But let's face it, I'm sure there are those here who will admit that they don't like a younger generation who happens to be smarter than they are when they were that young.
 
I think the main reason I hated the character was because he was the "privileged rich kid". You know, tne kid in scholl who wins the science fair because his scientist dad gave him access to expensive equipment. The kid who gets the BMW given to him when he gets his license (while you get to spend every penny you ever made to this point on a used Focus). There were other teens on the Enterprise; did they get to be on the bridge, in Engineering, get strings pulled at the Academy? No!

It was a contrived, *annoying* character. I'll take Jar Jar any day; he was dumb and goofy, but he didn't raise my blood pressure.
 
I think had they had the guts to stand up to Gene they could have made him into a way better character. I always figured he was just a ploy to get kids to watch TNG.
 
if he was there to represent teenage boys he did a lousy job, especially when they went to the planet of scantily clad hot girls, and one of them wanted to shag him, and he said "no, I'm not ready yet", seriously, what teenage boy says that?

:lol:thumbsup

I always figured he was just a ploy to get kids to watch TNG.

I think so too, as well as a 'role model' for adults wishing their teenage kids were like that.

Glad I was 20 when the show aired, and it was too late to have Wesley Crusher rubbed in my face by my parents. I pity the generation that did. No wonder they hate the character :lol
 
Oddly enough I never really liked TNG even though i was 10 or so when it came out, as a matter of fact i think i was build the original enterprise while watching the premier of TNG.
 
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