Don't mean to change the subject because I'm actually pretty interested in this bow tie, but I just got the newest rendition of the swirly tie and have been comparing it to both it's immediate predecessor and the embroidered option. It's a very good in between, it's a bit wider than the one prior and is darker than the embroidered one, which is a plus. The only thing that I find isn't a hundred percent perfect is trying to tie it like how it was in "The End Of Time" which the embroidered one naturally does perfectly and I know that the two burgundy yin yang sections are more stout than long, but other than that it's very accurate and my favorite tie in my wardrobe.