Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm (after 2021)?

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Wow...OK.

Now I see why so many fans are upset...this is just a horribly toxic article that is waaaaaaay off base:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...wars-kelly-marie-tran-harassment-controversy/

Geezo whiz...this hits me right in my cold, dead, man-baby heart :(

That's the point of "forced diversity." Gain attention and recognition for race or gender or whatever, love it when it vaults you into the spotlight in a positive way, then play whatever card you used to get that attention for any --no matter how valid-- criticism comes your way.

Diversist - "We need diversity to help create a dialog. To break down walls and get the mesage out that close-minded, intolerant people exist."

Someone *not* consdiered diverse -- "I just wanted a good story. That character, regardless of their superficial difference, really dropped the ball on..."

Diversist - "Hater! Silence them."

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Mystery Science Theater 3000. What else would I be talking about in a Star Wars thread?

Mike or Joel?
 
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Patrick Swayze Christmas ranks right up there with XPlays search for the E.T. landfill. Come on, Axlotl!*

*In Will Arnett voice
 
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Really, guys?

Repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax".

What's just a show?

Mystery Science Theater 3000. What else would I be talking about in a Star Wars thread?

You know I'm a fan of yours, Axlotl, so take this in a friendly spirit, but you can't participate in all the bitching and complaining--to the brink of leaving the RPF over it--and then a couple days later say, "Really, guys? It's just a show, relax.". :lol As though you've been above the fray all along.

That's why I was all...wuuuuut?? What show?? lol
 
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That's the point of "forced diversity." Gain attention and recognition for race or gender or whatever, love it when it vaults you into the spotlight in a positive way, then play whatever card you used to get that attention for any --no matter how valid-- criticism comes your way.

Diversist - "We need diversity to help create a dialog. To break down walls and get the mesage out that close-minded, intolerant people exist."

Someone *not* consdiered diverse -- "I just wanted a good story. That character, regardless of their superficial difference, really dropped the ball on..."

Diversist - "Hater! Silence them."

The real problem is a lot of people hide behind the "I just want a story" defense when really, they are just mad over seeing a thing that gets their knickers in a twist.

Example-- the latest E3 video for Last of Us 2. In it, the lead female character kisses another woman. Some people are losing their minds over it, using this same excuse. Here's what they didn't do: talk about being lesbians, politicize it, and/or make a statement against somebody's beliefs with it.

Just two people kissing.

The EXACT same scene with a hetero couple kissing would have sparked ZERO upset. This is the point of diversity in entertainment. It's not about making political statements, it's about changing what is considered "normal." We have a long way to go as a society when any movie, video game, TV show, or whatever that doesn't feature a straight white dude as its lead will always get some sort of criticism.

A gay couple kissing is considered an agenda or politicized by so many just because it isn't the norm. If a gay couple kissing, sans any sort of rhetoric, in your favorite story gets somebody worked up, sorry, but the problem is them.

I think I'm piecing together the what went on. We know that George gave them story treatments for episodes 7-9. We know that George said that Disney had decided not to use them and do their own thing. Bear in mind he said this before TFA had been released, and is simply saying what he was told. We also know that team making TFA said that they did want Luke to show up until the end because they were afraid and rightly so, that Luke would steal the show. And we have evidence that suggests that Luke's state of mind and where he was hiding was something established by George. So I think what happened was, George's story treatments for TFA are discarded due them not wanting Luke in the picture yet. And what was provided for 7 becomes the outline for 8? This fits with both sides of the story.

The art happened on both sides of the deal. I had a friend who was asked to do art very early on. She could say nothing about it, save for that it was an illustration of a middle aged Mara Jade. Everyone in my friend circle was fighting over it-- NO WAY THEY'D GO THE EU ROUTE! THEN WHY IS SHE DRAWING IT!?

Later, after it was said and done, she said she was more or less just commissioned by Lucasfilm to do a few bits of sample art with the direction "Star Wars, 30 years after ROTJ, no canon limitations." They enlisted a bunch of artists. They never said to her what the plan was at that stage, I suspect it was just idea iteration.

While I bag on Lucas with his Midichlorian vs Whills innerspace battle, I'm sure that was only part of it. I'm sure some piece of his ideas were still grounded in the known SW universe. Seriously, look at interviews with him talking about the PT, he always changes his story cause he has 300 ideas.

Anyway, this process was going for a good time before JJ or the sale was announced. After it was, that process continued, but it started to be honed down from freelance illustrators to known production artists who would eventually form the art department. They had free reign and pitched ideas until Arndt started to share details from his draft, then they switched to refining things.

So I'm sure Lucas threw them ideas in the early days. The idea that Luke being a cranky hermit was Lucas could mean a lot of things. It could be anywhere from him having a rough draft with Luke as we saw him in TLJ all through episode 7, or it could have been a simple "Hey, what would Luke look like if he'd gone the Yoda hermit path? Let's see a drawing of that."
 
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You know I'm a fan of yours, Axlotl, so take this in a friendly spirit, but you can't participate in all the bitching and complaining--to the brink of leaving the RPF over it--and then a couple days later say, "Really, guys? It's just a show, relax.". :lol As though you've been above the fray all along.

That's why I was all...wuuuuut?? What show?? lol

Oh, I despise TLJ as furiously as I've ever despised anything in my life.
If Star Wars was really "just a show" to me, I wouldn't care as passionately as I do.

I just don't like seeing us lowering ourselves to attacking each other personally over it.
That's what I was trying to say.
We're The RPF. We're better than that.
 
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Example-- the latest E3 video for Last of Us 2. In it, the lead female character kisses another woman. Some people are losing their minds over it

Welllll...that, I'm in favor of. Assuming they'e both young and hot, naturally.

Only not in Star Wars.

The Wook
 
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The real problem is a lot of people hide behind the "I just want a story" defense when really, they are just mad over seeing a thing that gets their knickers in a twist.

Example-- the latest E3 video for Last of Us 2. In it, the lead female character kisses another woman. Some people are losing their minds over it, using this same excuse. Here's what they didn't do: talk about being lesbians, politicize it, and/or make a statement against somebody's beliefs with it.

Just two people kissing.

The EXACT same scene with a hetero couple kissing would have sparked ZERO upset. This is the point of diversity in entertainment. It's not about making political statements, it's about changing what is considered "normal." We have a long way to go as a society when any movie, video game, TV show, or whatever that doesn't feature a straight white dude as its lead will always get some sort of criticism.

A gay couple kissing is considered an agenda or politicized by so many just because it isn't the norm. If a gay couple kissing, sans any sort of rhetoric, in your favorite story gets somebody worked up, sorry, but the problem is them."

Wow! Total false comparisson! But clearly demonstrates, as I showed, a desire to avoid the conflicting opinion. ;)
 
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Welllll...that, I'm in favor of. Assuming they'e both young and hot, naturally.

Only not in Star Wars.

The Wook

Yeah, young hot lesbians remanded to only porn scenes being your preferred "gay" experience checks right in perfectly with the profile I've developed for you.

Wow! Total false comparisson! But clearly demonstrates, as I showed, a desire to avoid the conflicting opinion. ;)

I'm not comparing anything. I'm telling you the point of diversity in casting.
 
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Yeah, young hot lesbians remanded to only porn scenes being your preferred "gay" experience checks right in perfectly with the profile I've developed for you.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, fella! You've got me figured all wrong! Who said anything about "lesbians"?!

They'd need to be bi.

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But you probably shouldn't be putting forth examples like this one you've created. This is a prop forum, after all.
 
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Wait... "oh snap"...?

I don't think he was burning me.

"You're not as confident as you SHOULD be"?

IF anything he smelled out the truth... of course I'm not confident as I should be. Ha.

I'm a self-professed hack.


I pitched my show to a creator I've been a fan of for a decade, asked him to be an actor in it. He said he'd have to see the scripts, character designs, and the pilot because he's very particular about how his voice is handled in animation and doesn't want a black mark on his career.

I sent everything to him, but had written him off

"Yeah, no way he's in. He's gonna smell I'm a hack and- Oh... he's enthusiastically in?? Oh he's got ideas for his character... wow he's really into this.

...

I'll probably screw it up"



So "oh snap" indeed?
 
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I'm not comparing anything. I'm telling you the point of diversity in casting.

Gee, so the reaction to a hetero couple kissing vs lesbian isnt different? So, you *arent* comparing? So, your "example" has no meaning. Your rules!

And trying to go against norms is exactly why they posted the kiss. It was done for attention. As I already stated.

Sounds like you need to check your motives

Bringing in and hyping specific race or gender or lifestyle is an appeal to provide a connection with similar people or to make others feel more rounded You said is was to go against the norm, but then bemoan that people didnt like it. You want people tolerant of your comfort zone, but outside of their own. Once again, you are personifying my example. Thanks!

Edit corrected spelling fell and rounded
 
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I was listening to this podcast last night and when Marc Bernardin got to telling his story about eating **** for a article he wrote about Rose, I thought it was the esquire piece everyone was attacking... turns out his was for hollywood reporter...


But it's a good watch/listen, cuz it has made me wanna spend a little more time just "loving that we love things" instead of spending so much time reading about how terrible all movies are.

I have a hard time hating movies... At least getting angered about it. Like they say in that vid... I'll watch a movie, love it and rave, or dislike and really never think about again - move onto the next one.


Just the fact there's a podcast discussing Marc "eating ****" over an article he wrote about a movie (TLJ) and a fan base that's angry about a movie that was made in a sequel trilogy for a movie that came out decades ago.... is CRAZY.


But I am interested in checking out Marc's hollywood reporter article cuz this guy is a really great writer and knows his movies.

And best of all he's a REAL nerd. He knows his stuff... and he creates and writes in the industry as well, so he actually DOES understand the process of how these films work.


Anyway, good watch.
 
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Gee, so the reaction to a hetero couple kissing vs lesbian isnt different? So, you *arent* comparing? So, your "example" has no meaning. Your rules!

And trying to go against norms is exactly why they posted the kiss. It was done for attention. As I already stated.

Sounds like you need to check your motives

Bringing in and hyping specific race or gender or lifestyle is an appeal to provide a connection with similar people or to make others feel more rounded You said is was to go against the norm, but then bemoan that people didnt like it. You want people tolerant of your comfort zone, but outside of their own. Once again, you are personifying my example. Thanks!

Edit corrected spelling fell and rounded

I think you're attributing a maliciousness to these things that isn't there. The point of showing diversity is that for other people THAT IS THE NORM. And they should be represented in popular media just as much as people who represent your norm. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but there are other people who don't have the same norms as you and they should be included in popular culture instead of excluded.
 
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Wait... "oh snap"...?

I don't think he was burning me.

"You're not as confident as you SHOULD be"?

IF anything he smelled out the truth... of course I'm not confident as I should be. Ha.

I'm a self-professed hack.


I pitched my show to a creator I've been a fan of for a decade, asked him to be an actor in it. He said he'd have to see the scripts, character designs, and the pilot because he's very particular about how his voice is handled in animation and doesn't want a black mark on his career.

I sent everything to him, but had written him off

"Yeah, no way he's in. He's gonna smell I'm a hack and- Oh... he's enthusiastically in?? Oh he's got ideas for his character... wow he's really into this.

...

I'll probably screw it up"



So "oh snap" indeed?

He's just a simple Wookiee. Don't ask him silly questions, he won't play silly games.
 
Re: Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm?

Gee, so the reaction to a hetero couple kissing vs lesbian isnt different? So, you *arent* comparing? So, your "example" has no meaning. Your rules!

And trying to go against norms is exactly why they posted the kiss. It was done for attention. As I already stated.

Sounds like you need to check your motives

Bringing in and hyping specific race or gender or lifestyle is an appeal to provide a connection with similar people or to make others feel more rounded You said is was to go against the norm, but then bemoan that people didnt like it. You want people tolerant of your comfort zone, but outside of their own. Once again, you are personifying my example. Thanks!

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Going against norm does NOT mean "doing it for attention" or "hyping." It is trying to shift what is accepted as the norm for progression. Why is that a bad thing?

Our history is full of things like the women's suffrage movement, or the civil rights movement. Obviously a couple video game characters is nothing compared to these real movements, but "doing something for attention" is something you do when you're immature or insecure. Trying to to shift public perception of what is acceptable and equal is noble in my book.
 
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