Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm (after 2021)?

JPH said:

Jedis are supposed to be sheriffs of the galaxy. They go where bad stuff happens and correct things. They have a tool, The Force, to help them with those challenges. You are trying way too hard to prove your fundamentally flawed assertion.

You dont think Yoda uses the force to help him weild a lightsaber? To jump up yo shoulder height? When they deflect a laser into a different bad guy than the one who fired, another unprovoked attack! (Using your skewed observstions). You are wayyy to concrete operational.

A war is usually about an attacking and a defending side. Using the force to guide your bombs into a 2 meter exhaust port killed millions of folks.

But guess what...

They were defending.

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Bigdaddy said:

I think your take on the Jabba sequence is pretty much on the money. Luke wasn't a "Dark side user" but without proper training he was exploring all the powers he found available to him with nobody to explain what was what. I don't think he was knowingly using the dark side but being tempted by the situation of trying to rescue his friends.

Personally I've looked at the force as a neutral energy, neither light or dark since I saw ROTJ. As an audience we never really get the other side of the story about the sith and Jedi. The force wielder is light or dark and choosing how to use an energy that has no direction. That jives a bit with the prequels which show the Jedi using the Force non-defensively.

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Joek3rr said:

He didn't use the Force to attack. Thank you for proving my point.

Let's say a Jedi could use Force choke or lightning without drawing on the Dark Side. Why would he? Why tempt yourself? That's like trying to see how close to a cliffs edge you can get before you fall.

Think of it like this. When people are struggling with an addiction (say porn, or alcohol, or drugs). The first step to beating the addiction. Is do not put yourself in a compromising position. If it's a alcohol, stayou away from places that serve it, or friends that drink. If it's porn, don't let yourself use the computer when you are alone.

The Force and the Dark Side is similar. It's "seductive" as Yoda puts it. So a Jedi would rather stay away, then put himself in a compromising position.

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Joek3rr said:

There's definitely a Dark Side and Light Side to the Force. Think of the Brother and Sister from Mortis arc in the Clone Wars. One is the embodiment of the Light, the other the Dark. But at the same time there seems to a balance, no Light or Dark, just the Force. Think of the Ying-Yang, light and dark, separate, yet intertwined. Two sides of the same coin, so to speak.

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gedmac66 said:

Did Yoda draw from the Darkside when he used lighting as a ‘ cough... force ghost ... cough ! ‘ to destroy the tree ?:facepalm ... and how would you have handled rescuing your friends from certain death in that situation on the sail barge , if using the force ?


Ged

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Bigdaddy said:

I've never seen the clone wars so it doesn't factor into my take on the story. We really only get the Jedi's perspective on the Force yet they are full of contradiction. As an audience member I've never been convinced the Jedi really KNOW what they are talking about. Especially since the prequels which exposed them as a dogmatic order full of hubris. Part of it is the poor writing and lack of continuity between the OT and the PT. What we know about the Force from the OT as an audience comes from Yoda and Obi but both of them contradict themselves. If I blame it on bad writing it takes me out of the story so I rationalize it as both of them either lying (from a certain point of view) or telling Luke as much as they think he should know (that Jedi hubris again )
Just my own take, not canon or anything.

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Joek3rr said:

You have to consider that Force is a seeming paradox. One thing may be true while at the same time the opposite is true. Sounds like a contradiction. But we're talking about construct that exists beyond time and space. For instance. Does a Jedi control the Force? Or the Force control the Jedi? Both at the same time. Another example. Does the Jedi draw power from the Force. Or does the Force empower the Jedi? Again both.

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Joek3rr said:

He manipulated the atmosphere to create a electrostatic discharge https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning . That is not the same as Force Lightning.

If I were Jedi. I would propose a face to face meeting first. I would offer to pay his debts, or see if could come to some sort of agreement. If the crime lord refused, then I'd take more drastic action. There are many Force abilities to call upon. Mind tricks, you can make them dizzy, create a flash of light, straight up camouflage yourself with the Force. Numerous things other then choke.

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gedmac66 said:

:lol! ... sorry mate , no offence intended ... but bringing earth based science into the lighting brought down by a force ghost is just ...:lol! ... akin to bringing in Earth based politics to a sci-fi fantasy !:facepalm
Also do you really think ‘ normal ‘ atmospheric lighting could obliterate that Forced infused tree ?

Jabba wasn’t susceptible to the Jedi ‘ mind trick ‘ remember ? ... and Luke ended up taking more ‘ drastic ‘ action after offering a more equitable resolution !
Actions you’re now questioning , asserting were performed with dark and evil intent by the Sagas Hero ?


Ged

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Joek3rr said:

Well whatever it is. It isn't Force Lightning like what the Emperor or Dooku use.

And I was referring to mind tricking the guards. I've been reading Jedi vs Sith The Essential Guide to the Force. While it's a Legends book and it has out of date information. There's many Force Powersp that are considered non lethal that can be used by Jedi.

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Inquisitor Peregrinus said:

So where does Luke, guided by the Force and Obi-Wan's disembodied presence, blowing up the Death Star and all those thousands of people on board fall?

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NeoRutty said:

Man walks into KK's office with an armload of paper print outs...

"Kathleen... there are forums on the internet discussing you stepping down from Lucasfilm!"

*throws pages on desk in front of her, covering her DVD screener of 'Book of Henry"*

"Really?! Oh my god... what are they saying..."

"um... something about Luke choking out pigs... and yoda and force lightening... One guy keeps messing up posting GIFS"

*Kathleen fumbles through the pages and pages of print outs*

"I'll step down"

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Bigdaddy said:

But is there any indication that Luke knew of these other powers within the context of the OT?

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Joek3rr said:

No, but he didn't know about Force Pull (telekinesis) or telepathy either. But he was able to do them. So again the Force whether or its the Dark or Light side can control the user. So it's possible to do something they were not aware of.

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Bigdaddy said:

By ROTJ he was aware of telepathy (Obi in Most Eisley) and telekinesis (he used in in the Wampa cave and Yoda used it in the swap). More than that I don't see it as the Force exerting it's will on Luke, anymore than my hammer CHOSE to reveal how to extract a nail with a broken head. I used the tool for a bit and when that situation (broken nail head) came about I used the tool (hammer/force) in a new way through my own exploration of how to apply that tool. Since Luke is mostly self taught except for his unfinished training when he confronts Jabba, I figure he's just using his feelings and wielding the force from the hip. Probably why I enjoy that sequence so much! I agree he's not acting according to Jedi Dogma but not anymore more than the other Jedi in the PT do.

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