Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (Post-release)

What did you think of Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom?


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I just took Claire as an x-smoker who's now on a mission to ban and punish all smokers because she's been "saved" That kind of fanatic 180 degree turn.

I completely bought her turn, as it's been seen happen with other rather shallow people.
 
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It was terrifying, don't take the kids! This is the first Jurassic I'd definitely say is iffy for under 13. The little girl next to me was around Masie's age, about 9 or 10. She was buried in her mom's chest the entire time with the Indoraptor. TBH. I was buried in my seat sometimes. And I LOVE my scary movies. I honestly think it's better than JW in every way. It surpasses JW as my third favorite. It improves on a lot of areas I thought JW lacked in including tension, visuals, and sound design. I even thought that the dialogue was better written.

Our showing had the entire first row full of 4-6 year olds! Then a slightly older group a few rows back. Didn't envy their parents that night!
We sat several rows further back than usual because of this, and ended up in front of the loudest person in the theater anyway - a little old lady who couldn't figure out how to turn off her phone and also did the stereotypical "What are you doing, don't go in there! Look out!" bit.

I've decided that when work grates on my soul, I will fantasize about being Stygimoloch.
 
I hate to say it, but there was a beautiful scene that I hated and stuck with me. You probably know what scene I'm talking about. I shouldn't be surprised, being a fan of "A Monster Calls", but that poor brachiosaurus on the dock. It quit being "hey look a dinosaur" and became an animal, helpless and in distress. And it disturbed me. The audience was silent. Good job Bayona.
That's without a doubt the one scene that's going to stick with me besides the Indoraptor sneaking into the little girls room.
 
I enjoyed the movie more than I thought. Although the whole story was kind of pointless.

Save the dino's from an exploding island before they go extinct again. Ummm, what about the
other island full of them? Did the writers forgets Jurassic Park parts 2 and 3?????

Still a fun ride though.
 
The wife and I just got home from this flick.

Entertaining.

And also incredibly stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

So many quibbles. But two easy ones I haven’t seen mentioned (if I missed them forgive me)
So the intelligent girl who has been proven quite clever and brave hides in her bed under the covers, and stays there. Brilliant writing.
And where the heck did the protective nanny lady go? Dingdong orders her out of the house and we never see her again? She needed at least some sort sacrifice for the little girl, or to get her out of some situation.

It’s fun flick if you truly turn your brain off and walk away without a second thought. The dinosaurs are well done, but they aren’t really behaving like animals anymore. Now they’re just monsters or minor heroes.
 
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I only had an interest in this film due to the fact the company i work for provided the seating in the bar scene. After watching it, i'm glad i wasn't excited for it, as i really didn't enjoy it. The original had a magic to it, that i don't think any subsequent ones have ever recaptured.
 
I hate when people pine for the magic of the first movie. The book had none of it. The book was dark, gritty, nasty and violent. The awe and wonder was completely introduced by Spielberg. The books were pure R-rated sci-fi horror where a baby got eaten, and Nedry holds his own intestines in his hands before being eaten.
 
Well, no one pines for the magic of the book. The book was fantastic, too, for its own reasons, which were different than the reasons which made the movie so good.

The movie was special. But nothing is going to recapture the feeling when you first saw a dinosaur on screen. It's been done and while it can be redone, it doesn't possess the same feel as the first time. But, I imagine that if Jurassic World was the first one someone had seen, like many kids, it may have been a magical experience for them, and watching the original would feel to them like Jurassic World feels to us.

We were spell bound the first time we saw it, then the spell was broken.
 
I hate when people pine for the magic of the first movie. The book had none of it. The book was dark, gritty, nasty and violent. The awe and wonder was completely introduced by Spielberg. The books were pure R-rated sci-fi horror where a baby got eaten, and Nedry holds his own intestines in his hands before being eaten.



Well, no one pines for the magic of the book. The book was fantastic, too, for its own reasons, which were different than the reasons which made the movie so good.

The movie was special. But nothing is going to recapture the feeling when you first saw a dinosaur on screen. It's been done and while it can be redone, it doesn't possess the same feel as the first time. But, I imagine that if Jurassic World was the first one someone had seen, like many kids, it may have been a magical experience for them, and watching the original would feel to them like Jurassic World feels to us.

We were spell bound the first time we saw it, then the spell was broken.

I read the book countless times as a teenager and a few times during uni. I loved it, and yes it was really violent and dark. I also thought there were really good intellectual and almost philosophical musings in it. Recently when I re-read it a couple of years ago I kinda changed in how I feel towards it. No disrespect but it's really a pulp sc-fi book, a really enjoyable one with kernels of some really good thoughts but a bit too much is happening and lot of scenes play out only for the effect. Also had to realize that Crichton is not really good at writing characters. But all in all the book is its own beast, especially if we consider that it was meant to be a one-off and Lost World was mostly written due to fan pressure and money.
I think the big thing with the original movie is not just the awe of dinosaurs on screen, because you can only have that magic once. It's more like Jurassic Park went out of its way to represent dinosaurs as animals (within the context of a popcorn movie of course), using contemporary science (bird-like, warmblooded). Since then the dinos are just monsters, I-rex is a psychomonster, Indoraptor is a Nosferatu dino that grins, Spinosaurus is a villain like the Sharptooth in Land Before Time.
 
In JW, Dr. Wu said something along the lines of "you didn't say to make them real, you said to make them scary."

This is why the I-Rex and I-Raptor were monsters. They were engineered that way.
Many of the other dinosaurs in JW were perceived as animals, but they were secondary and not critical to the story. The flying dinosaurs that slaughter the people in the park... that was just bad writing. JW2 had a few examples of dinosaurs being shown as animals, the brachiosaurus on the dock was one example.

Then there were the carnivores snatching a free meal while running for their lives from a volcano, which was more monster than animal, and just dumb.

How much was animal instinct versus monstrous engineering for the sake of ghastly entertainment? How much was just lazy writing?
 
In JW, Dr. Wu said something along the lines of "you didn't say to make them real, you said to make them scary."

This is why the I-Rex and I-Raptor were monsters. They were engineered that way.
Many of the other dinosaurs in JW were perceived as animals, but they were secondary and not critical to the story. The flying dinosaurs that slaughter the people in the park... that was just bad writing. JW2 had a few examples of dinosaurs being shown as animals, the brachiosaurus on the dock was one example.

Then there were the carnivores snatching a free meal while running for their lives from a volcano, which was more monster than animal, and just dumb.

How much was animal instinct versus monstrous engineering for the sake of ghastly entertainment? How much was just lazy writing?

Moreover there's an entire chapter in the original Jurassic Park novel where Wu (who is nothing like he is in JW films) muses how they deliberately modified every dinosaur, because they were too fast moving or whatever else that would clash with people's ideas about dinosaurs.
But it's only the two new hybrids that are deliberately made to be monsters. The Baryonyx going out of its way to hunt down people while everything is filling up with lava for example was just...god...the Brachiosaurus on the dock was a nice touch or when Littlefoot's mom dies in JW, but that's about it. Even the pachycephalosaurid was like a tool from a video game. Then there's the other extreme where raptors are humanized...
Entire scenes in the original film like the two Brachiosaurus scenes, Triceratops were all presenting big animals doing their thing. Even the T-rex hunting the gallimimus herd was just a normal scene showcasing a big predator's everydays, humans observed it then just left the scene. In Jurassic World that scene would be the T-rex smelling them and then another chase scene ensues.
 
The Brachiosaur on the docks was nothing but emotions-porn. It was so poorly executed. You could clearly see the intent behind the scene. Here look at this creature crying for help - feel sad. Manipulation.

There are no depictions of any of the dinosaurs acting as animals in the JW movies. They all act as plot points and monsters.

I don't buy the saying that you can't recapture the "magic" of the first movie or recapture the feeling of awe when seeing a dinosaur on screen. Of course you can. Just show the dinosaurs as animals and actually CARE. Think of them as lions, tigers and bears. These are animals we know and have seen in real life, but they can still be shown as awesome and terrifying in movies, while still being presented as animals and not monsters. ****ing just do that. All it takes is a competent writer and director and you can definitely recapture the magic. And push things more towards showing scientifically accurate dinosaurs. JW had that chance... and blew it.

Just look at how well other dinosaur movies are received and how well documentaries are received that try to show real dinosaurs as animals. It works. It just seems the people in charge of the franchise are bored and thinks everyone else are as well, so they have to find new stuff like hybrid monsters to make things interesting for themselves, failing to realize that the reason the original was so good was because THEY ****ING CARED ABOUT DINOSAURS.

It's a BS excuse.
 
Jurassic Park, both the novel and the movie, was special because it filled this niche of smart science fiction that usually got delegated to B-movie monster flicks. Seriously, think about it. How many dinosaur movies can you name besides Jurassic Park that aren't monster flicks. I would say that back in the day Jurassic Park was on the same level Interstellar is on now if only because it was so revolutionary to popular perception of paleontology. Now, though? It's just not. JP was cutting edge science at the time of its release, but now the franchise has just become another B-movie monster mash, and I honestly find that sad. Science has changed, but Jurassic Park hasn't changed with it. The dinosaur designs we had 25 years ago are no longer what they are today. Jurassic World had its chance to change dinosaur perception for the next quarter of a century, but it blew it. We got the same old nostalgia bait designs. There's so many ways we could have gotten new, updated dinosaurs with Jurassic World, and instead we got "If the dinosaurs were pure, they wouldn't be cool."
 
Yep. Even if they have enough frog DNA to switch genders, the wild dinosaurs are just individual problems. (Maybe the T Rex and the allosaurus could cross-breed, I don't know.) The more lasting problem is the convoy with the DNA samples.

An allosaur and a tyrannosaur couldn't cross breed, they were not only completely different species but they were also from completely different lineages and were unrelated.I don't recall what allosaurids came from and are classified as but I do know that tyrannosaurs are coelosaurids and were small theropods back when allosaurus and kin were the dominant theropod predator. In short, tyrannosaurs were not related to, much less descended from allosaurs and thus could not cross breed.
 
The only thing that excited me about this film really would be Blue, acting as the true action hero of the film. I was told after thinking this that it was the same in the first Jurassic World film. That was the only mildly quirky thing that peaked my interest in the film. The only part that appealed to my sensibilities.

Michael Crichton's book was great! A good mix of science and suspense! That'll never come back with this franchise.
 
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