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    Feb 12, 2018, 8:30 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #26

    IIRC Dagobah was filmed last because if the intricate set build, how long it took to finish the Yoda puppet, and rehearsal time for Frank Oz. I’ve read that in multiple places including the Making ESB book.

    In this case I’ve got to put Rinzler above Seth, no disrespect to Seth.
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    Feb 12, 2018, 10:59 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #27

    I agree. Seems logical that the primary hero prop had reached a state where it was missing a red button and had the extra screws on the grips by the END of filming, during the Dagobah scenes. You can chart the prop’s evolution by looking at the filming order: Early Hoth shooting: No screws in grips, then silver screws/rivets added to combat the effects of the cold. Bespin: Grip screws replaced/colored black so as to be less visible. Dagobah: Extra screws added to help keep grips on, red button missing.
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    Feb 12, 2018, 11:13 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #28

    Gregatron said: View Post
    I agree. Seems logical that the primary hero prop had reached a state where it was missing a red button and had the extra screws on the grips by the END of filming, during the Dagobah scenes. You can chart the prop’s evolution by looking at the filming order: Early Hoth shooting: No screws in grips, then silver screws/rivets added to combat the effects of the cold. Bespin: Grip screws replaced/colored black so as to be less visible. Dagobah: Extra screws added to help keep grips on, red button missing.
    The ESB Graflex always had screws in the lower part of the grips. I'm wondering though if there is correlation between silver and black screws and Hoth filming locations.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 12:22 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #29

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    The ESB Graflex always had screws in the lower part of the grips. I'm wondering though if there is correlation between silver and black screws and Hoth filming locations.
    Im pretty sure there was a photo posted somewhere here a while back from the first days of filming the Hoth scenes clearly showing the Graflex with no screws on the grips.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 12:43 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #30

    BlandoCalrssian said: View Post
    Im pretty sure there was a photo posted somewhere here a while back from the first days of filming the Hoth scenes clearly showing the Graflex with no screws on the grips.
    Ooh fascinating! If you happen to remember where you saw that at, I'd love to look at it!
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    Feb 13, 2018, 1:41 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #31

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    The ESB Graflex always had screws in the lower part of the grips. I'm wondering though if there is correlation between silver and black screws and Hoth filming locations.
    I think they were silver first, then colored black because they are only ever silver on Hoth.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 1:44 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #32

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    Ooh fascinating! If you happen to remember where you saw that at, I'd love to look at it!
    I think this is the one I was thinking of, though there may be others Click image for larger version. 

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    Feb 13, 2018, 4:50 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #33

    It is amazing how much time is devoted to these screws. Here I was convinced that (i) they were always present, from Hoth onwards and (ii) they were black to begin with on Hoth.

    I think there's a religion in this.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 7:41 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #34

    It's the coolest weapon from the best movie in the most popular franchise ever. You'd better bet this is a religion lol.

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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:14 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #35

    BlandoCalrssian said: View Post
    I think this is the one I was thinking of, though there may be others Click image for larger version. 

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    Hmm interesting, I still think I'm seeing the notches in the grips, but that may just be case of seeing what I want to see!
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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:18 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #36

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    I think they were silver first, then colored black because they are only ever silver on Hoth.
    So I skimmed through ESB last night and seems, though I could be wrong, that the silver screws version only appears in shots filmed in Norway. The black screws version is only in the shots filmed in the studio.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:27 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #37

    The prop guys on the flik loved screws it seems. There are supposedly "lost" photos from the LFL archive that surfaced awhile back.

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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:38 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #38

    BlandoCalrssian said: View Post
    I think this is the one I was thinking of, though there may be others
    Someone posted this not too long ago. There's a grip in profile on the top, and I can't see a notch:

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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:44 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #39

    Probe Droid said: View Post
    The prop guys on the flik loved screws it seems. There are supposedly "lost" photos from the LFL archive that surfaced awhile back.
    Those are the Skywalker Ranch saber. From what I've seen, best guess is it's a Dagobah bottom with another top, prepped for RotJ but not used.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:46 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #40

    Drew Baker said: View Post
    Someone posted this not too long ago:

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    Definitely no screws there! Wow! I think all of you may be on to something!
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    Feb 13, 2018, 8:56 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #41

    Those are the Skywalker Ranch saber. From what I've seen, best guess is it's a Dagobah bottom with another top, prepped for RotJ but not used.
    Even among the whole set of pix (only posted a few) there are differences in the prop (number of red buttons, etc.) so these are suspect. The last time this subject was discussed, I believe it was deduced that the screws were added after the grips fell off from the cold.

    Bad quality pic, but no grips to be seen.


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    Feb 13, 2018, 11:53 AM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #42

    My info isnít solid either... but I remember watching a old interview with hamill and how he talked about the swamp set with yoda. And how that was the end of filming... if my memory serves me correct he was saying how much fun he had with the cast and at the end of filming he was alone with robot and apuppet

    Again... who really knows if this is factual


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    Feb 13, 2018, 2:03 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #43

    I can't believe you are questioning the filming schedule - Dagobah was definitely filmed last!
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    Feb 13, 2018, 4:11 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #44

    Probe Droid said: View Post
    Even among the whole set of pix (only posted a few) there are differences in the prop (number of red buttons, etc.) so these are suspect. The last time this subject was discussed, I believe it was deduced that the screws were added after the grips fell off from the cold.

    Bad quality pic, but no grips to be seen.


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    Damn!! Iíve never seen that photo before!!
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    Feb 13, 2018, 4:40 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #45

    It's flipped too.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 4:58 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #46

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    So I skimmed through ESB last night and seems, though I could be wrong, that the silver screws version only appears in shots filmed in Norway. The black screws version is only in the shots filmed in the studio.
    I'd lovesome others input on this-- because looking at all the images I have, that seems to be true. The no-screws at all seems to be only on promo images, including the one with no grips at all. So I'm assuming that means the cold caused problems with the glue off the bat. They went to silver screws, which is what we see in any exterior shots. Any interior shots, which would have been at Elstree, they are black.

    Exception being, when Luke climbs out of the snowspeeder-- they are black in that bit... but I'm pretty sure that even though that is an exterior scene, that sequence was shot on a stage given the stunt and FX aspects of it.
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    Feb 13, 2018, 6:17 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #47

    i love how everyone is still examining these photos still to this day, love the debate and the detective work
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    Feb 13, 2018, 7:37 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #48

    It's flipped too.
    I thought so. The handgun goes on the right, yes?
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    Feb 14, 2018, 5:53 PM - Re: Empire Strikes Back Graflex Screws??? What your opinion? #49

    SethS said: View Post
    I'm pretty sure that even though that is an exterior scene, that sequence was shot on a stage
    The shot with the AT-AT foot definitely was. I'm not sure about the climbing out.

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