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    Feb 8, 2018, 3:51 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #101

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    Feb 8, 2018, 4:00 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #103

    To my mind, an integral part of the Star Wars universe includes familiar alien species we have all come to recognise. There seems to be no shortage of humans but i don't recall seeing any aliens I know in the new movies so far. Sure, it's a big Galaxy and new aliens means new toys but look at the streets of Jehda, with the exception of a gratuitous call back every 'person' is just hooded or wears a bucket on their head, it's laughable.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 4:47 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #104

    For me it's simple just keep them simple don't over do things kids are not dumb treat them as you would an adult - no stupid sequences where in about a couple of years they will look back on it and say that's actually really lame. Rogue One did nothing dumb no stupid jokes had a sense of urgency but kept things grounded as did Star Wars and ESB before it. The rest are all full of wouldn't this be good if we did this or if we did that - no just stop your destroying what was once held dear, and turning it into a joke - just seeing this Solo trailer I'm thinking this will go down as a pile of cr@p in a few years no one will look back on it and say what a great movie it was.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 4:51 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #105

    I don't rate ROTJ much either as I always thought it should have been 2 films - the hunt for Han, and then the second to finish of the empire. It was simply too hurried.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 5:11 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #106

    BTTFSpencer said: View Post
    I agree with the geek tragedy thing but I think the current political and societal agendas that are woven within the film industry ultimately have ruined what is essentially a relatively young art form in order to make money. The studio system is bigger than ever. It has gotten so bad with this last film that I basically feel like Star Wars fans are being trolled. Rian Johnson made an insanely disappointing movie and I'm glad that enlightened people are voicing that and not merely following their favourite logos.
    Agreed.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:23 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #107

    BTTFSpencer said: View Post
    I agree with the geek tragedy thing but I think the current political and societal agendas that are woven within the film industry ultimately have ruined what is essentially a relatively young art form in order to make money. The studio system is bigger than ever. It has gotten so bad with this last film that I basically feel like Star Wars fans are being trolled. Rian Johnson made an insanely disappointing movie and I'm glad that enlightened people are voicing that and not merely following their favourite logos.
    Actually the studio system and their monopoly on distribution is being challenged. Creative content is finding multiple mediums for being made and distributed. Traditional studios are competing with new players like Netflix and Amazon who can pay for content and have their own distribution channels. If anything, studio's need to to sharpen up and compete. By any estimation, it's a golden age of new content creation vs. the old studio system.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:29 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #108

    And McDisney either does or wants to own them all. Golden age of diversity.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:34 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #109

    Mr Webber said: View Post
    And McDisney wants to own them all.
    Own? No. Compete? Yes. They own valuable franchises, even more through the Fox acquisition, and that can support their content distribution, both theater and streaming. But that doesn’t change the reality that non-studio projects still can succeed. It’s a whole new world for entertainment creation and delivery. I invest more $ in Netflix and Amazon then Disney, FYI.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:36 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #110

    I really dont care where your dollars are invested and arent Disney trying to buy Netflix?
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:41 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #111

    Mr Webber said: View Post
    I really dont care where your dollars are invested and arent Disney trying to buy Netflix?
    No....
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:43 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #112

    Not yet.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 6:50 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #113

    Mr Webber said: View Post
    Not yet.
    A few years ago maybe but Netflix market capitalization is too big and CEO Reed Hastings isn’t selling. Company is executing perfectly, they don’t need a buyer.
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    Feb 8, 2018, 9:38 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #114

    how to make a good star wars movie?! thats easy! add sex drugs an rock and roll!!
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    Feb 9, 2018, 11:49 AM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #115

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    I could make a Star Wars movie for half a million.

    You have a small team of Rebels on the far side of Yavin fixing a sensor relay. They lose contact with home base when their speeder, parked on a precipice, accidentally goes over the edge and is destroyed. They see the Death Star in orbit and have no idea what to do. A short time later, a tie fighter crashes in the distance. The go through the jungle to find it, hoping it has a radio or is operation enough to get back to base.

    The tie fighter is empty and ruined. They start the long hike back to base, and one by one they are picked off by something dark and evil in the night jungle. Spoiler-- it's Vader. So basically, Friday the 13th in the Star Wars universe.

    I'm half serious.
    This artwork came to mind when I read your post... (From the 2016 ILM Art contest)

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    SB
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    Mar 12, 2018, 2:03 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #116

    http://www.starwars.com/news/why-the...ce-of-teaching
    Fantastic article, not just about The Last Jedi but about teaching in the star wars world as a whole, written by one of my favorite Star Wars commentators. He has a podcast too "Coffee with Kenobi."

    I am a teacher, myself, so I love how the author highlighted the very true lessons about teaching found in The Last Jedi and other Star Wars films.
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    Mar 12, 2018, 4:43 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #117

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    I felt the same.

    To be fair though, I found TFA and TLJ to be pretty forgettable too. In fact, I can only think of Rey's theme off the top of my head.
    That's because without the retarded jump in special effects the originals had, IV, V, and VI would have been almost completely forgettable too.

    People weren't going back to the theaters 7, 8, and 9 times so that they could watch Alec Guinness wobble about when he felt a loss in the force, or to listen to two incompetent guards talk about the cool new space-sports-car that was coming out soon.

    They came for laser swords, and space ships exploding. Hell, they came to watch the opening crawl move away, instead of just up, that's how low their expectations of special effects were, compared to what they got.

    VII, R1, and VIII don't have that leg up of amazing special effects compared to what we expect.

    Even those of us that saw star wars for the first time on VHS as kids over deify those movies, because at the time they were still some of the best looking movies we'd have seen. TV sure wasn't pulling those sort of effects off, and anything else that had come out that looked so pretty were movies that TV wouldn't air due to ratings, or we couldn't see in theaters because of ratings.

    You start a kid these days on episodes VII, VIII, and (eventually) IX, and I guarantee they'll like them more than the originals, cause they'll feel a bond with 7-9 (having seen them first) and because at the end of the day, the original star wars flicks were just pretty-darn-good hero's journey films, with perfect timing when it came to special effects.
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    May 16, 2018, 9:26 AM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #118

    Saw Avengers: Infinity War last night.

    First off, all that follows is IMHO, but at the same time I've never felt so secure in an opinion (and yet so frustrated about it).

    I won't get into any details obviously, but one thing that resonated in a major way afterward, was that after being on the edge of my seat for 2.5 hours (and I'm not even a big Marvel fan), that there's absolutely no reason - on merit, in terms of content, as opposed to corporate agenda - that a Star Wars movie can't feel as weighty; basking with consequence, and yet still balancing some humor (that's actually funny). It HAS happened. We know it's possible.

    So, all of these, "But it was meant for kids! It's not supposed to have any depth!" (read: it's not supposed to make you feel anything) sorts, have had their opinion forever rendered inconsequential, in my eyes. There are still compelling stories to be told, by characters found interesting by all ages. Figure it out, Disney. Figure it out.
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    May 16, 2018, 10:07 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #119

    Keycube said: View Post
    Saw Avengers: Infinity War last night.

    First off, all that follows is IMHO, but at the same time I've never felt so secure in an opinion (and yet so frustrated about it).

    I won't get into any details obviously, but one thing that resonated in a major way afterward, was that after being on the edge of my seat for 2.5 hours (and I'm not even a big Marvel fan), that there's absolutely no reason - on merit, in terms of content, as opposed to corporate agenda - that a Star Wars movie can't feel as weighty; basking with consequence, and yet still balancing some humor (that's actually funny). It HAS happened. We know it's possible.

    So, all of these, "But it was meant for kids! It's not supposed to have any depth!" (read: it's not supposed to make you feel anything) sorts, have had their opinion forever rendered inconsequential, in my eyes. There are still compelling stories to be told, by characters found interesting by all ages. Figure it out, Disney. Figure it out.
    What I don't understand is how Disney owns both Marvel and Star Wars and the creative team behind the MCU is killing it, yet they can't seem to figure out what to do with Star Wars...
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    May 16, 2018, 10:29 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #120

    Simple answer: you don't. Know matter what you do, it's going to **** people off. Too much new stuff? "This is too different!" Too much familiarity? "This is just a rip off!" So, if you want everybody's opinion on what is a "good" SW movie, you may as well just pop in any of the original 3 because that's the only ones that people can agree are the "good" ones.
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    May 16, 2018, 10:49 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #121

    Thain said: View Post
    What I don't understand is how Disney owns both Marvel and Star Wars and the creative team behind the MCU is killing it, yet they can't seem to figure out what to do with Star Wars...
    Yeah, I think they needed the Marvel writers to write the WHOLE new trilogy at once.
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    May 16, 2018, 10:52 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #122

    To be fair, Marvel has nearly 70 years worth of stories already well written and storyboarded to work from.
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    May 16, 2018, 10:56 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #123

    A small group of clearly defined characters with understandable motivation, exploring their interpersonal relationships, and set against the backdrop of a grand intergalactic conflict. If they last through a series, there must be an emotional arc or some through-line to show they progress as people. That's it. As a matter of fact, barring the last parameter, it's the very same thing that makes the best of the best movies. It's just unfortunate that executing something that allows for that much play and exploration has become a bit of a lost art in the movie business.
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    May 16, 2018, 10:57 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #124

    True, but the world of Star Wars is SO very vast, that its hard to think it could be messed up......but Disney isn't really doing the best job.
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    May 16, 2018, 11:52 PM - Re: How Do You Make a Good Star Wars Movie? #125

    Disney owns both companies, but they run independantly and run their own creative and production. Disney funds and distributes. There’s no brain trust at Disney that lords over both comapnies.

    Marvel’s process is that Kevin Fiege is like an editor in chief. He sees the grand picture of where things should go. Individual movies are basically put together in-house by a creative comittee looking at years worth of comics. The have writers in residence who often write the first drafts. Then they find a powerhouse writer/director to come and rewrite the script to their vision and see it through to the end— all while taking notes from Fiege that address the grand plan. Marvel movies all have the exact same formula and rely on said writer/director and top notch casting/talent to make it enough of a spectacle that you either don’t notice or don’t care you’re getting the same story.

    Star Wars has a similar exhibiton goal, but, as crazy as it sounds, is still finding their feet. They have a brain trust as well, with Simon Kinberg, Lawrence Kasdan, and a few others on deck to sort of plot out the big movements. From there, thus far, they take their concepts to writer/directors who have indy hits and are of the Star Wars generation. Their plan is not ambitious as Marvel’s. They are doing the sequel trilogy interspersed with Anthology stories. The problem is, they both cater to and alienate the fanbase in a way Marvel doesn’t. Marvel makes their movies out of the “best of” comic storylines. Star Wars is trying to push into the new, but at the same time be precious about their past. The Last Jedi tells us to forget the past and embrace the different, while Rogue One and Solo anchor themselves to classic Star Wars as much as possible. I don’t need to start another debate on the merits of TLJ or any other new SW movie— but whether you love them or hate them, I think we should agree the one thing they aren’t is consistant. Not that they should be doing a shared universe story leading to a big team-up movie— just that on a thematic level, every Marvel movie is the same. That is the Marvel brand, and it’s what makes it seem consistant. Star Wars is just relying on it’s recognition to define it as a brand instead of being consistant with their storytelling.

    Anyway, at the end of the day, Fiege runs Marvel, Kennedy runs Lucasfilm, they hire who they want and direct the creative, and Disney is hands off as long as they make their money back (which they have on every single Marvle and SW film to date.)

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