Is Disney/LFL incapable of making anything new?

Sure, I'll respond. Yes, the galactic seat of government is destroyed, but that doesn't mean the entire New Republic has been destroyed. That would be to say blowing up Washington DC would be to destroy the entire United States. It doesn't. Just because the First Order has managed to take over a bunch of resource rich backwaters on the ass end of space doesn't mean they've toppled the Republic and now rule the galaxy. The heart of the Galaxy is still alive and free from the tyranny of the First Order. The First Order hasn't destroyed the New Republic. To do so, they'd have to see to destroy half the galaxy.

Why the First Order doesn't do that strategy, I don't know. Like I said, there are plenty of the same logic errors in the OT. Why didn't the Empire do that while chasing the Falcon? Why didn't anybody look out a window and say, "Hey, there's that ship we've been chasing on the back of the conning tower!" Why didn't the Empire blockade the entirety of Hoth, or why didn't the Rebellion fly off in the opposite direction of the Star Destroyers, EU explanations not withstanding.

Space ships in SW don't work like space ships in reality. This has been evident since day 1. They don't need to take off and land in linear positions. They can move freely between space and atmospheres.

As for the Wook, I'm done feeding the troll.

The government was destroyed and their fleet significantly reduced. And more to the point where are they? If they are capable of fighting, then where are their ships and fleets? Are they waiting for a rag-tag group of resistance fighters to save them? We don't see them anywhere, except the part where they get blowed up. Which, BTW, did happen in the inner rim...that's where the Hosnian system was. So they aren't really free from the FO's tyranny. And I hate to break it to you, but the outer part of any galaxy is actually larger than the inner part and it's on the outside. The FO rules over half of the galaxy, and has the remnants of the New Republic surrounded.

They didn't send a SD because the chase was terribly written.

Let's weigh the options:
1)Keep formation even though it's actually keeping you from your goal out of some notion that a small rag tag group of ships could turn around and somehow "get" the Supremacy.

2) Break formation, send an SD ahead, and end the Resistance in one fell swoop.

It took a shock tactic of hyperdriving a ship into another ship to get the Supremacy, which was also a poorly conceptualized scene. Why even bother with SD as an escort if that's on the table? IMO, it's like someone said "This would be a cool visual" and just wrote things to get there. And they didn't consider the ramifications.

I agree. The ships in SW do not perform exactly like real life ships. And whether or not they can take off in a way other than linearly. We see them take off in pretty much straight lines on-screen. Like when they escaped Hoth or when the Falcon leaves Jakku. Also, I never said a SW ship could not move freely between space and atmospheres. In fact I said "Ships have to launch pretty much from where they are on the planet.". You know ,planets, where atmospheres typically hang out. And where would they be launching to? Space.
 
If someone likes a film you shouldn't tell them that they didn't. I'm like 15, and I'm looking at adults acting like grade school children insulting each over a piece of fiction! The main reason I loved ep 8 is because I actually cried when Luke was walking out to face Kylo on Crait! That was so moving and beautiful to me. Cant we let some people like the movie and some people not?

Well, you're just a child. With a small brain. It's true. A brain a third the size of ours. It's science.

Look, kid. I was just a year younger than you when I walked out of the theater on May 21st, 1980, depressed, and frustrated, that they'd ruined Star Wars, and that I'd waited THREE years, for that crap movie. But over time, as my brain grew, and my SWIQ increased, I realized the sheer brilliance of The Empire Strikes Back.

I hope as you grow and mature, that your SWIQ grows with you, and you come to realize these new films stink. But I must be honest. I don't have high hopes. Not for you, specifically, because I don't know your individual potential. But speaking more broadly, I pity the members of your generation, whose minds and tastes are being formed and shaped by the absolute garbage which is coming out of Hollywood. You're being programmed to like (and expect) the frenetic pacing, excessive explosions, absurd violations of the laws of physics (and common sense), and non-stop, unfunny, snarky one-liners, to the extent that you don't even realize the films are devoid of quality, substantive story-telling, imbued with gravitas, and a real sense of danger--hallmarks of ANY good dramatic film.

I sure am glad I was born when I was born. Good luck, kid. I mean that sincerely.

The Wook
 
^^^ so true, but i too doubt TLJ will grow like Empire. it was a mish mash of stories that tactically made no sense and worse of all exactly as you say-unfunny humor. I'll add dislikable and annoying new characters like Finn the guy who escaped the Empire only to keep going back there over and over again, Rose the fat faced janitor that somehow becomes a domestic terrorist and destroys Vegas while shooting at cops and trespassing. Holdo and Leia 2 military leaders that wont share a plan that everyone needs to know about with their best pilot. The Dreadnought, a ship with simplest of vulnerabilities that apparently is slow unmaneuverable and missing any type of adequate self defense. Porgs-Dirty birds you cant eat who you let infest your vehicle. Captain Phasma, relatively low rank for such an important character, who dies so easily and quickly with little back story, and as every fanboy knows girl stormtroopers have boobs on their armor which shows their midriff-duh. DJ, I'm surprised no advocates for these with speech impediments complained, the all so enlightened writers perpetuated stereotypes here. a rebel base that looks like Hoth but not cold. it wasnt the directing, it was the story
 
The Wook
You didn't like Empire when it came out?
I walked out of the cinema with my love for Star Wars firmly cemented in place.

If it took you time to realise that Empire was good, you do seem way too harsh on others.
How would the current you have talked to the post Empire you?
 
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Finn the guy who escaped the Empire only to keep going back there over and over again , Rose the fat faced janitor that somehow becomes a domestic terrorist and destroys Vegas while shooting at cops and trespassing.
I believe those are called charter arcs. (ever heard of the hero's journey?) Also fat faced really? is that necessary
Holdo and Leia 2 military leaders that wont share a plan that everyone needs to know about with their best pilot.
I did struggle with this, myself but in the end I thinks it's about how things can being more complex then what they seem (maybe like this movie ; ) and sometimes you don't know everything
The Dreadnought, a ship with simplest of vulnerabilities that apparently is slow unmaneuverable and missing any type of adequate self defense.
Isnt the sooo Star Wars!
Captain Phasma, relatively low rank for such an important character, who dies so easily and quickly with little back story,
Boba fett is the same (I don't like boba fett or phasma)

In lots of the arguments about how tlj is bad you can find the same faults in the OT
 
@The Wook
You didn't like Empire when it came out?
I walked out of the cinema with my love for Star Wars firmly cemented in place.

If it took you time to realise that Empire was good, you do seem way too harsh on others.
How would the current you have talked to the post Empire you?

How old were you when you first saw ESB?

I was 14, and too immature to recognize the necessity of nothing good befalling our heroes, in this second act of a three act drama. The cliffhanger ending was the most frustrating thing about the movie, to my still developing SWIQ.

I mean, I still liked the movie more than almost all other non-Star Wars movies (Rocky, Animal House, Young Frankenstein--a few of the exceptions). And I saw it in the theater a half dozen or more times during that summer of 1980. But I was just a kid, and felt so empty, having been deprived of a triumphant ending, like the one I had so adored in Star Wars three years earlier. I knew there'd be a third film, and expected the tide would turn for our heroes in it, complete with another triumphant ending. But it was three years away, which is an eternity when you're fourteen.

The Wook
 
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I believe those are called charter arcs. (ever heard of the hero's journey?) Also fat faced really? is that necessary

Boba fett is the same (I don't like boba fett or phasma)

If the face fits wear it, I'd also say that I think Ren looks like a live action version of butt-head from beavis and butt-head. Apparently one of the reasons TLJ did so poor in China was the actors weren't attractive. My chinese co-worker says that both Rose and Finn have unattractive wide noses, that chineses people dislike. Purple haired long neck Kamino/human hybrid looking Admiral Holdo looks like some underemployed over educated baker or cat sitter in a university town

I'd like to see Rey and Ren join together and become force demon reincarnated Vader, Id like to hear him say " Luke I am not your father" and Id like to hear Luke scream in his whiney child voice when he sees Vader "thats impossible"
 
If the face fits wear it, I'd also say that I think Ren looks like a live action version of butt-head from beavis and butt-head. Apparently one of the reasons TLJ did so poor in China was the actors weren't attractive. My chinese co-worker says that both Rose and Finn have unattractive wide noses, that chineses people dislike. Purple haired long neck Kamino/human hybrid looking Admiral Holdo looks like some underemployed over educated baker or cat sitter in a university town
It's about time we see people that look like regular people in Hollywood instead of glammed up, perfect barbie and ken dolls!
 
The government was destroyed and their fleet significantly reduced. And more to the point where are they? If they are capable of fighting, then where are their ships and fleets? Are they waiting for a rag-tag group of resistance fighters to save them? We don't see them anywhere, except the part where they get blowed up. Which, BTW, did happen in the inner rim...that's where the Hosnian system was. So they aren't really free from the FO's tyranny. And I hate to break it to you, but the outer part of any galaxy is actually larger than the inner part and it's on the outside. The FO rules over half of the galaxy, and has the remnants of the New Republic surrounded.
I consider it more like Vichy France. Yes, the government is overthrown, and there's no standing official military to take on the First Order, but that doesn't mean France is destroyed any more than it means that the defiance that lives within the French people is gone.

They didn't send a SD because the chase was terribly written.
Then I guess ESB is poorly written too.

Just wondering, how many times have you guys seen TLJ?
Seen it 3 times. I saw it the Monday after opening weekend (earliest I could get a ticket), then Christmas Day, then again New Years day.

No, it isn't intended for people who sat in the theater in 1977 and watched the original Star Wars. It's meant for millennials. Pass.
Oh those damn millennials just ruin everything, don't they. :facepalm
 
It's about time we see people that look like regular people in Hollywood instead of glammed up, perfect barbie and ken dolls!

I'll remember that next time I watch porno, I'll look for DVDs with people that look like crap because thats what the movies are, real life docudramas, I'll also make a rule, I cant be with any chicks unless they are fat and ugly and they need to remaster slave Leia scenes make her fat and doughy too, btw Kate Uptons boobs are too big and Taylor Swift is too skinny, why would anyone want to see average looking people in the movies? more crazy millennial ideals
 
@The Wook,

If google is correct the release for Empire was 7th August in Australia where my family was living at the time.
Amazingly my School took us to see the movie in a hired coach as some kind of outing/treat.

So I had just turned 10. Star Wars was already an illness with me by that point, after Empire came out it became a full blown disease.

As I've said before I agree mostly with your points and believe that we generally get on, but, as you own neither the term "Star Wars" or the term "Intelligence Quotient"
I find your use of it derogatory and more importantly dull.

If a Star Wars Intelligence Quotient must remain a thing I would like to point out how utterly ridiculous that someone who thought that with Empire "they'd ruined Star Wars" or someone who can say and I quote...."you're just a child. With a small brain. It's true. A brain a third the size of ours." to another member, be the keeper of it.


I love your musings in general Wook and yes I love you, ya walking carpet, but I think with this sort of talk you are going to get banned one day.
I really shouldn't come on these threads...I just don't like people insulting each other.
 
Then I guess ESB is poorly written too.

Why are you so hung up on that? Empire is not ONE CONTINUOUS chase. After Hoth there are SDs and TIEs chasing the Falcon from all directoons, not tied to the Executor. Then the Falcon hides in the asteroid field and the chase is over. The moment they come out they are spotted and are about to be captured. The only thing I was scratching my head about too is that nobody saw the ship from a window. But the entire movie’s plot is not based on that.
Regarding the Hoth escape, the planet was blockaded but they cut a hole in that with disabling a SD with the ion cannon.
 
Why are you so hung up on that? Empire is not ONE CONTINUOUS chase. After Hoth there are SDs and TIEs chasing the Falcon from all directoons, not tied to the Executor. Then the Falcon hides in the asteroid field and the chase is over. The moment they come out they are spotted and are about to be captured. The only thing I was scratching my head about too is that nobody saw the ship from a window. But the entire movie’s plot is not based on that.
I don't see how that makes a difference?

Regarding the Hoth escape, the planet was blockaded but they cut a hole in that with disabling a SD with the ion cannon.
The Empire approaches Hoth in formation over one spot, and they seem to stay in that formation the entire battle.
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That's why the ion cannon tactic works, because all the Star Destroyers are hovering over the Rebel base.
 
I don't see how that makes a difference?
Maybe it’s an average American thing.
The Empire approaches Hoth in formation over one spot, and they seem to stay in that formation the entire battle.
Funny you call me out on attention spam. They arrive like that yes. Then Vader tells the following to Piett:
“Make ready to land out troops beyond the energy shield and deploy the fleet so that nothing gets off that
system.”. How would the ion cannon tactic work if the fleet was in the same spot and not scattered forming a blockade? That’s explicit storytelling.
 
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