I think BB-8 says "I've got a bad feeling about this" at the beginning of the film to Poe and Leia comments that she agrees with him.
As an average sci-fi fantasty film, it was entertaining, but forgettable. As a Star Wars film, it was atrocious. This was not Star Wars.
A major part of Luke's heroism is searching for the good in people and trying to bring it out of them. As everyone else gave up on Vader, he didn't and he risked his life for it. This search for good in others is engrained in his identity.
The people who made this film had zero understanding of that. Luke would never have held a lightsaber over his nephew and insist that he's not redeemable, especially since it was obvious even to this random girl Rey who could sense that he was conflicted. But somehow in the years since ROTJ, Luke has turned into a homicidal maniac who considers killing his nephew while he sleeps.
While I found Luke to be the most unsettling part of the film, there was plenty more nonsense throughout the rest of it. The plot line of the First Order holding back from attacking the Resistance ships was such incredibly lazy writing. How convenient for Finn and new girl to go to the casino city, get arrested, break out, and sneak on a star destroyer all while the First Order is still slowly pursuing this Resistance ship. The entire time, all I could think was, why the heck aren't these guys attacking this ship that isn't going anywhere? They already sent out Kylo and some other TIE Fighters to hit the bridge. This made no sense. Did that whole plot line with Finn and new girl in the casino even serve a purpose considering they were caught and there was a ship that rammed into the star destroyer in the end? It was all pointless in the end. Nothing came from it. Same with Poe's mutiny plot line. Outright pointless, nothing came from it as he was stunned in the end and woke up.
The Throne Room scenes had lines that were taken almost verbatim from ROTJ, all the while I kept thinking, "Haven't we already seen this scene?" How is Snoke so powerful too since not even Palpatine, the ultimate Sith lord, could do what he was doing? Guess we'll never know as they never bothered telling that story. Palpatine was the head of a fascist political Empire, but what exactly is the First Order? They're not a government, so how in the world do they get any money or support for what they do? Again, no explanation, so it gets pretty hard to care beyond just an artificial label of 'bad guy'.
The over-the-top uses of the Force were absurd. In the OT, the Force was subtle and mysterious. In this film, it was a joke from Leia to whatever-the-heck Luke was doing at the end telepathically dying. I like Rey and Kylo communicating with each other through Snoke (yet again, how does Snoke even know how to do that considering the Sith are dead? Who is he?), but then the awful self-aware humor throughout the film had to ruin those moments too from the dumb shirt joke to "I don't feel like talking" or whatever similar thing he said.
ALLEY. That video about pushed me over the edge. [emoji22]
G.F.Y. Rian Johnson.... Good For You.
Why are all the reviews good?
I find that very alarming.
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Greenie, I was told they believe BB8 says it to leia at the very beginning. And leia says something along the lines “I agree with the Droid”@caymen shen. I don't think they give a toss about what fans think.
@halliwax. Yeah I noted the absence of 'I got a a bad feeling about this'. They are gradually dumping everything that is inherently Star Wars.
I keep wondering, if the ultimate outcome for Luke, was to die, why not have him raise the X-wing actually go to Crait and face Kylo Ren. If it goes badly, the outcome is the same(?)
i get that he must be very powerful to project himself like that but it is lost on their new target audience of casual viewers and children and the general consensus seems to be an unfitting end to the our greatest Jedi hero.
I think the movies is far more good than bad but I've only watched it once so far and I'm hoping that next time the bad stuff won't seem so bad and I leave focused on all that was good.
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Exactly. So much of this dissapointment is fans not having their personal expectations met. If their pet detail isn't explored or elevated, they go off the rails. *Cough Phasma*
Why are all the reviews good?
I find that very alarming.
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The entire marketing campaign for this film was LUKE, LUKE and more LUKE. If LUKE’s story would have been strong, compelling and emotional then TLJ could have been a great film despite other shortcomings. But when Rian/Lucasfilm/Disney cannot even get that part of the story right then the film fails to deliver the ONE thing ADVERTISED to their paying customers/fans.
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The Biggest mistake was ignoring the Legends Cannon and leaving Leia with one Son and Not giving Luke a Family to keep his character inspired. I dont have as many issues as i thought since seen it 2 times but Broken Luke weither he died by projection or saber it was facing Kylo Ren and Ben will again be responsible for killing more of his family. Seems just like Kylo Ren is gonna be a unstoppable monster without Snoke and he will have to confront his demons of guilt for Han and Luke. Even though i hated the Flashback storyline. I still had no big issues with Luke wanting to be left alone. Mark Hamill is in his sixtys so maybe a big battle just wasnt in the Cards.Well I just read an interview where Rian Johnson said at the premiere that because of the total top secrecy at Disney Lucasfilm in regards to TLJ then only 10 people saw the film in the editing stage and final cut. Because these 10 people laughed at his jokes and liked his story line then this is how his final vision and cut was met with overall approval at Disney Lucasfilm.
This is the problem with the “mystery box” approach to films. The Hype whether good or Bad may end up killing a film beforehand by causing a potential good film to be edited prior to release or completion by the original director, ie Justice League, Suicide Squad and maybe Solo (we will know next May) or a bad film like TLJ to be released without testing it first because the film relies on the “mystery box.” If the script relies on total secrecy because the filmmakers want every plot detail to be an “I am your Luke moment!” then be prepared for having your film be similar to the TPM and AOTC where the Star Wars Hype Effect takes place and the first reviews are awesome and clouded then after the dust settles the films are digested and re-reviewed and are then considered bad.
The reason ROTS is the best film in GL’s PT is because there was no “mystery” for the audience as we already knew the basic plot line, ie Anakin battles Obi Wan and turns to Darth Vader. This should also have been a golden opportunity for ROTS to become one of the best films in the series because most of us had waited so long to see Obi Wan fight Anakin after GL renamed Star Wars to Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope in 1980.
I just wish GL would have concentrated more on the acting, dialogue and story then what he called a “tool” ie the CGI and special effects. There will probably be only one James Cameron’s Avatar every 10-15 years where a film comes out pushing the technological envelope in filmmaking, ie 3D and Motion Capturing, that it turns out great but lacks an original story. GL was the one who said that Special Effects are only a tool and the story should always come first.
It would be interesting to see ROTS remade today by a modern film maker using better story telling and actual sets and practical effects. Oh well, but at least the GL version we got was the best of the PT and he went out on a higher note then his previous two PT attempts.
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Can someone please share their thoughts on kylo killing snoke... I just can’t bring myself to believe snoke couldn’t see this coming..
Snoke having the power to bridge minds, fake force visions in Rey... and he can’t see or feel kylo using the force to turn the lightsaber and finish him off...
I’m so tired of hearing over confidence...
Anyone else have sun info to go by to help me get through this?
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My overall theory is that Rey is not alone she just has not spoken to whom i believe is guiding Rey Force wise. Its clear Yoda was helping Rey by concealing that she stole the books and just blew up the Tree so Luke wouldnt know. I think Obi Wan or Anakin is always with rey and maybe Snoke was having trouble Reading the both of them with Light Side force with Rey. Palpatine and Snoke had a simular ending plot only Vader died while Kylo Didnt Change and too Command. Snoke likely did not Read Kylo Has rule of Two Logic while Snoke does not.Can someone please share their thoughts on kylo killing snoke... I just can’t bring myself to believe snoke couldn’t see this coming..
Snoke having the power to bridge minds, fake force visions in Rey... and he can’t see or feel kylo using the force to turn the lightsaber and finish him off...
I’m so tired of hearing over confidence...
Anyone else have sun info to go by to help me get through this?
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