Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

doctorDWwho said:

I just commented as to the redundancy of the storyline on instagram and was told, "We don't want your opinions here, so please go back to your mine craft let's-plays." I'm laughing at the stupidity of the comment (I've never played mine craft, much less watched the videos), but crying that this is what discussion has come to. If you criticise it, or acknowledge a discrepancy, you're branded a "hater", or a whiney fan boy stuck in his basement in front of his computer. It's ridiculous how many people are just mindless sheep

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laszlo said:

I think the main thing about Star Wars is being able to trust in the Story and to let yourself be taken away, to unexpected places sometimes - if you trust in the film/ writer/ director then all can be absorbed and accepted.

My trust in the story and the directors intentions was broken in the first few scenes, by Poe's extended prank call and Luke's Laurel and Hardy style sabre toss over his shoulder (also many other scenes where the tone was off to me).

So nothing else after this could be trusted, the spell, the illusion, the TRUST had been broken.

Shame.

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halliwax said:

Can someone please share their thoughts on kylo killing snoke... I just can’t bring myself to believe snoke couldn’t see this coming..

Snoke having the power to bridge minds, fake force visions in Rey... and he can’t see or feel kylo using the force to turn the lightsaber and finish him off...

I’m so tired of hearing over confidence...

Anyone else have sun info to go by to help me get through this?


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jusdrewit said:

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Saw it last night, and still digesting it but overall I would saw I would enjoy it. I will see it again this weekend.

Things I enjoyed or appreciated:

1. Chewie + the Falcon
2. Space battles again
3. Seeing Luke spark his green saber
4. Different planets/locations
5. Luke reuniting with R2 and the hologram moment
6. Music was better than TFA in my opinion
7. Seeing Yoda; (although I didn't like his look...seemed off. Wasn't sure if they were attempting to make him older than how he appeared in ROTJ, or if it was just a bad puppet, I've seen better ones created here on the RPF. I would tweak that for the blu-ray release. Nevertheless, seeing him was nice)
8. Luke and Leia together, although briefly
9. Seeing Snoke's redguard fight, something I always wanted to see since I saw Palpatine's royal guards in Jedi.
10. I also enjoyed Snoke's throneroom
11. I also enjoyed the fact hat this wasn't a blatant copy/paste of ESB, I truly didn't know what was going to happen

Nitpicks:

1. Luke milking scene
2. Leia Poppins scene
3. Phasma's fight scene still felt a little meh to me, she was so popular I was expecting more than a sanitation trooper beating her
4. Asian girl scenes, I could have had less with her
5. the end of the movie...not sure about that boy.
6. Still mulling Luke's deaths scene..would've changed that.
7. Who was Snoke? We still know nothing, was he Sith? Dark Side user trained by Palpatine? Is he even human?
8. And finally how the heck is the First Order so freaking powerful, I went into the Force Awakens thinking the First Order was a small band gathering strength and fighting on the fringes of the galaxy, almost roles reversed of the Rebels vs Empire (clearly I was wrong)...by TLJ they appear to almost wipe out the Resistance. Plus the addition of more classes of Star Destroyers and Snoke's massive Star Destroyer, where are they getting these resources? How did the New Republic allow them to get this powerful? The FO almost appears as powerful as the Empire at the height of their power, I just don't get the unlimited resources of the FO. It doesn't help that we still don't get any logistics of the state of the galaxy again in this movie. It just slightly diminishes the Rebels victory over the Empire in ROTJ. I just don't get that aspect. Building a ship like Snoke's SD would take years and years, and they're rolling out Starkiller base and now these kilometer long ships like they're lunchboxes. Like ISIS rolling out a fleet of nuclear aircraft carriers...that whole aspect bugs me.

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Branwen Z. wrote:

‏ 1/ Fair warning, I’m in a mood and I’m about to go on an extended spoiler-filled rant about The Last Jedi and some of the criticism I’ve seen leveled against it.
2/ If you’re a woman, trans woman, trans femme, enby, or person of color, I’m happy to listen to the reasons you find yourself disappointed or let down by the movie. What I’m about to rail against is a number of criticisms I’e heard from cishet white men.
3/ I’m not even going to address those criticisms directly, I’m just going to expose what I contend are the actual biases behind the criticisms.
4/ TLJ has more prominent speaking roles for women that practically all the SW films put together, and certainly more than any 1 SW film has yet. In a wold where women are considered pushy if their input is 40% of a meeting, I think that’s significant.
5/ Furthermore, this is the first SW movie where the women WERE ALWAYS RIGHT and always won the day. All the familiar tropes of male heroism were tossed out on their ear - as well they should be.
6/ The roguish hero with a heart of gold was revealed to have only succeeded because General Organa has a soft spot for such reckless men. Faced with a less-forgiving woman in power he petulantly concocts a plan that results in the death of a LOT of good people.
7/ And even the tolerant mother-figure who has put up with him out of complicated feelings for her lost son and the roguish husband whom she has split with finally just shoots him rather than tolerate his hubris any longer.
8/ The defector who quit the Empire and finds inspiration in a strong female friend, tuns out to be incapable of making it on his own and tries to defect again, only to latch on to another strong female friend.
9/ The legendary hero turns out to be incapable of saving Rey, much less the whole resistance & his final sacrifice is that of a decoy. None of the men are able to fulfill their destiny in this movie until they they finally honor the women in their lives.
10/ Time and time again it is the women who express the ultimate theme of the Star Wars saga through their actions. Finally, its Rose - dear, sweet, strong Rose, who does not conform to Hollywood’s traditional beauty standards - who finally gets to remind us...
11/ ...that the theme has been nurture all along. “We will not win this by destroying those we hate. We will win this by saving those we love.” The ultimate and most powerful message of the entire sage, summed up in one of many selfless acts.
12/ And the boys’ heroes - the scamp who turns out to be entirely self-interested, the washed-up Jedi who admitted his adherence to a rule of law was doomed to failure, the fly-boy who turned out to be short-sighted and reckless, the turncoat who turned out to have no identity...
13/ Outside of the closest strong personality? Those are the men who surround me in the geek community. Those are the men who desperately try and convince themselves they are special. And you know what? They aren’t special. The special ones are...
14/ The General who carries on and stays engaged despite immeasurable heart ache and personal loss.
15/ The Admiral who doesn’t bother to explain herself to the man she knows won’t believe her, but is capable of sacrificing herself for the greater good when his plans threaten to destroy everything she’s worked for.
16/ And the grief-sticken, duty-bound, woman who is not the smartest, not the strongest, not the fastest, but is true to herself and sees the good in a man who can’t see the good inside himself, even though he takes her ideas and tries to eclipse her with them.
17/ The men who complain DJ was self-motivated, Finn was redundant, Poe was sloppy, Luke was ineffectual - they see themselves as they TRULY are in these characters, as opposed to who they WANT to be. And they see the women around them reflected in Rey, Organa, Holdo, & Rose.
/18 & that terrifies them because it shows the lie in every other Hollywood ego-prop that abusive, terrible men have woven to disguise themselves as “master storytellers” while they masturbate the same 6 points of the Hero’s Journey into the cauldron that spits out endless...
19/ ...stale clones of the original Star Wars that Lucas directed by further-watering down & white-cishet-male-sizing an already racist and misogynist theory of storytelling proffered by Jospeh Campbell.
20/ Make no mistake, this movie in a post-Weinstein, Jones-winning world is a rallying cry. Enough with these men who only make movies that glorify themselves and their sexual predilections. Enough with movies that hide male fragility behind male ego.
21/ This is why I love TLJ more than all of the other SW movies. IT. FOCUSED. ON. THE. WOMEN. Did it have flaws? Sure. Was it a courageous effort to wrestle some great narrative sensibility out of the clutches of men who can only see themselves & their conquests in movies? Yes.
22/ Ultimately, TLJ asserts that the male-centric approach to resolving conflict only results in the continuance of conflict. And that the universe is full of people who benefit from the blind continuance of male-dominated war-like politics.
23/ And, ultimately, this is the crime that cisher white male fandom cannot forgive - that the world is not comprised of great evil men and great good men who determine the fate of all those around them - but of selfish, scared, tiny men who allow...
24/ ...themselves to be manipulated into self-destructive patterns that ultimately ruin all of their relationships and their hope for greatness.
25/ Also. Puppet Yoda always has been and always will be superior to CGI Yoda.

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26/ Thank you and good night.

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cayman shen said:

I thought Luke's story WAS all those things. Sorry you didn't get what you were after.

Fitting that this movie features a salt planet.

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sixxgunn13 said:

"asian girl" the character has a name and it's rose.you sound like a jerk.

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Contec said:

What was the time frame for this movie ? Like a week or a couple of days from TFA ended? Rey's story picks up right where it ended in TFA. Then Finn and the asian girl goes on their mission and they only have a few hour to get back. It was very confusing.

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karmajay said:

haha I know I'm going to get flamed for this quote in THIS forum but I think this speaks to a lot of why a lot of people in this forum did not like it.

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halliwax said:

This is why I’m afraid to post my thoughts and concerns. I am far from a hater, or a “purest”.... I went into this so freak’n hyped and...

I am just so disappointed....

And I don’t want to argue you with people, it’s just not in my nature

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Darth Fetty said:

As an average sci-fi fantasty film, it was entertaining, but forgettable. As a Star Wars film, it was atrocious. This was not Star Wars.

A major part of Luke's heroism is searching for the good in people and trying to bring it out of them. As everyone else gave up on Vader, he didn't and he risked his life for it. This search for good in others is engrained in his identity.

The people who made this film had zero understanding of that. Luke would never have held a lightsaber over his nephew and insist that he's not redeemable, especially since it was obvious even to this random girl Rey who could sense that he was conflicted. But somehow in the years since ROTJ, Luke has turned into a homicidal maniac who considers killing his nephew while he sleeps.

While I found Luke to be the most unsettling part of the film, there was plenty more nonsense throughout the rest of it. The plot line of the First Order holding back from attacking the Resistance ships was such incredibly lazy writing. How convenient for Finn and new girl to go to the casino city, get arrested, break out, and sneak on a star destroyer all while the First Order is still slowly pursuing this Resistance ship. The entire time, all I could think was, why the heck aren't these guys attacking this ship that isn't going anywhere? They already sent out Kylo and some other TIE Fighters to hit the bridge. This made no sense. Did that whole plot line with Finn and new girl in the casino even serve a purpose considering they were caught and there was a ship that rammed into the star destroyer in the end? It was all pointless in the end. Nothing came from it. Same with Poe's mutiny plot line. Outright pointless, nothing came from it as he was stunned in the end and woke up.

The Throne Room scenes had lines that were taken almost verbatim from ROTJ, all the while I kept thinking, "Haven't we already seen this scene?" How is Snoke so powerful too since not even Palpatine, the ultimate Sith lord, could do what he was doing? Guess we'll never know as they never bothered telling that story. Palpatine was the head of a fascist political Empire, but what exactly is the First Order? They're not a government, so how in the world do they get any money or support for what they do? Again, no explanation, so it gets pretty hard to care beyond just an artificial label of 'bad guy'.

The over-the-top uses of the Force were absurd. In the OT, the Force was subtle and mysterious. In this film, it was a joke from Leia to whatever-the-heck Luke was doing at the end telepathically dying. I like Rey and Kylo communicating with each other through Snoke (yet again, how does Snoke even know how to do that considering the Sith are dead? Who is he?), but then the awful self-aware humor throughout the film had to ruin those moments too from the dumb shirt joke to "I don't feel like talking" or whatever similar thing he said.

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tgtiw said:

Instead we get the entire plot of the trilogy centered on a Three's Company style misunderstanding...

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SethS said:

But now I feel like half of TLJ was wasted chasing down all the plot danglers from TFA that JJ set up with no intention of answering.

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James Kenobi 1138 said:

Is it just me, or did Yoda look like they took a 1990s Illusive Concepts Yoda and hollowed it out and turned it into a puppet ?

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doctorDWwho said:

Really?[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] I actually like the new female characters better than the new male characters. At least they werent just ripoffs and actually had character. I honestly didn't notice until you posted this. This is judt an excuse for female supremacists (I actually consider myself a real feminist) to make a fuss.

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