Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

karmajay · Dec 18, 2017

astroboy said:
You know, I just realize the point of the casino sublot. It wasn't to serve the story at all, it was merely a film contrivance.

After The force Awakens, one of the many niggly bits that people had was that Finn had a showdown with TR8R, rather than Phasma. Everyone called it a wasted opportunity.

So IMHO, the entire point to the casino subplot was simple: They needed to get Finn aboard the Star destroyer so that he could have a sword fight with Phasma.

That's it. That's all.

Which tells me that Finn should have died at the end of The Force Awakens. That would have completed his arc in a way that would have given Rey even more fire against Kylo ren

The failure is the whole point of the Finn and Rose side mission. Well, one of the points anyway in Poe. Poe is constantly disregarding orders. Leia, who has a soft spot for roguish figures, is constantly trying to teach him about being a leader and that not every hair brained scheme is worth the toll. So, he sets up the side mission. Typically in Star Wars, these side missions are what saves the day. This one fails. WORSE, he is telling Finn and Rose Holdo's plan over the communicator where JD can hear and he sells them out. By disregarding a highly experienced leader (Holdo) he has screwed stuff up!

This is a"learning" moment for Poe. On Crait, he realizes that their goal of trying to buy time in combination with the cannon defenses the pilots will just get wiped out. Usually he (personally) would just rush the objective. Instead, he tells the pilots to pull back.

The other points of the side mission is for Finn to realize there is more to the Resistance through Rose, someone that has good reason to hate the FO and even through trials and tribulation does not run away like Finn constantly tries to do.

CessnaDriver · Dec 18, 2017

Moviefreak said:
I agree.... when it comes to a Star Wars film, you cannot judge it by the box office numbers. Some will like the film, some will not,. As you noted, the SW films people hate out of the series (like the Phantom Menace), are still HUGE box office wins. Everyone will go see a new SW film, even if they walk away hating it. And as huge SW fans, they will usually go back "HOPING" to like it the second time. So those die hard SW fans who are defending it solely based on "Well look at the ticket sales", are grasping at straws. :lol

Guilty, so guilty. My friends and I did this with PM going back several times. I think back on this in astonishment now.
But I'm older and wiser/jaded/stubborn/discriminating now so the siren call of the nerd herd is much weaker to my ears.

dascoyne · Dec 18, 2017

Was anyone else irritated that Luke referred to a lightsaber as a "laser sword"?
Was this just Rian trying to provoke and unbalance the fandom?

CessnaDriver · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Was anyone else irritated that Luke referred to a lightsaber as a "laser sword"?
Was this just Rian trying to provoke and unbalance the fandom?

Maybe Disney want rights to that term such that knockoffs will get sued.
Very bad to refer to LASERs really.
That is a very earthly science acronym.

dascoyne · Dec 18, 2017

CessnaDriver said:
Maybe Disney want rights to that term such that knockoffs will get sued.
Very bad to refer to LASERs really.
That is a very earthly science acronym.

Well, if you want to go that route we can also point out that the interrogation droid in ANH had a syringe with roman numerals on it.

R.P. McMurphy · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Was anyone else irritated that Luke referred to a lightsaber as a "laser sword"?
Was this just Rian trying to provoke and unbalance the fandom?

I loved hearing that as it was a callback to Lucas' original treatments.

Snikt · Dec 18, 2017

Angelus Lupus said:
Am I the only one that reads that and immediately thinks: "courageous and caring!"
>_>
<_<
Just me?

Is that the Gummi Bears theme song?

CessnaDriver · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Well, if you want to go that route we can also point out that the interrogation droid in ANH had a syringe with roman numerals on it.

Sure, I can see goofs like that or when something is needed to be clear to the audience like "Tractor Beam" indicator in English.
"laser" of course is very generally used to describe all kinds of things to the general public, and the acronym portion of it is not well known.
If I were writing SW I would avoid it though.

R.P. McMurphy · Dec 18, 2017

Moviefreak said:
I agree.... when it comes to a Star Wars film, you cannot judge it by the box office numbers. Some will like the film, some will not,. As you noted, the SW films people hate out of the series (like the Phantom Menace), are still HUGE box office wins. Everyone will go see a new SW film, even if they walk away hating it. And as huge SW fans, they will usually go back "HOPING" to like it the second time. So those die hard SW fans who are defending it solely based on "Well look at the ticket sales", are grasping at straws. :lol

Absolutely! All three Prequels are in the top 15 grossing films of the genre and all are above ESB and ROTJ. TLJ is already top 20!

astroboy · Dec 18, 2017

R.P. McMurphy said:
I loved hearing that as it was a callback to Lucas' original treatments.

George still calls them laser swords.

It was a fan service moment just like the dice

Bones_68 · Dec 18, 2017

kristen jones said:
This PORTION of Mark's comments is continually quoted by those who have chosen to dislike the film as support for their view that Rian Johnson somehow crapped on the character. I find it strange that none of those people seem to quote the REST of that statement,

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/mark-h...fferent-opinions-on-lukes-future-in-last-jedi

I usually agree with a lot of your comments but with all due respect, the article you linked includes Hamill saying this:

"He gets everyone on his side and by the time you start on day one, you're already a bonded family. My goal is to do my very best to realize your vision, regardless of whether I agree with it or not,'" said the 66-year-old actor. "It's not my story to tell. It's Rian's story to tell. I thought the worst thing I could do was burden him with, 'Luke wouldn't say this. Luke wouldn't do that,' blah, blah, blah. Think, clear the slate and pretend it's like almost like an entirely new character that's not locked into what you did before."

That sounds a lot like Hamill suggesting a disagreement with the director but being professional and doing his job anyway.

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astroboy said:
George still calls them laser swords.

It was a fan service moment just like the dice

I thought the dice was a pretty great, genuine moment.

karmajay · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Was anyone else irritated that Luke referred to a lightsaber as a "laser sword"?
Was this just Rian trying to provoke and unbalance the fandom?

If you remember it seems a lot has been forgotten since the height of the Jedi during the clone wars. It makes more sense that people call lightsabers "laser swords". I think that in early drafts for ANH or the McQuarrie work they were referenced as laser swords also.

EDIT: oops did not realize there was another page where this was answered.

I usually agree with a lot of your comments but with all due respect, the article you linked includes Hamill saying this:

"He gets everyone on his side and by the time you start on day one, you're already a bonded family. My goal is to do my very best to realize your vision, regardless of whether I agree with it or not,'" said the 66-year-old actor. "It's not my story to tell. It's Rian's story to tell. I thought the worst thing I could do was burden him with, 'Luke wouldn't say this. Luke wouldn't do that,' blah, blah, blah. Think, clear the slate and pretend it's like almost like an entirely new character that's not locked into what you did before."

Right, initially he thought it was not great but after talking it through with Rian and undersatnding the impact of it he changed his mind and liked it. That's exactly what was posted in the earlier quotes in this thread.

harrisonp · Dec 18, 2017

Aren't "turbo lasers" a canon thing, I can't remember. Also I think Karl Urban is the voice of the alien who sells Finn and Rose out for parking on the beach on Canto Bight

DaddyfromNaboo · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Well, if you want to go that route we can also point out that the interrogation droid in ANH had a syringe with roman numerals on it.

George something that George himself corrected later on. I do not know about the syringe, but the roman lettering and arabic numbers in all three films disappeared with the SE.
I found "MOM!!!" in the PT bad, but "lasersword" is IMO even worse. It banalizes the lightsaber, and reading about Johnson wanting to deconstruct Star Wars it may have been oh so intentional, but DOES that have to be inserted into a fantasy movie?! "Suspension of disbelief" to me also means "strange and unusuall choice of words for unusual things". Lasersword pulls me right out of the movie series that coined the term lightsaber. Granted, PARSEC is a scientific term, but it was used in a wrong way in ANH and it sounded strange enough for most of the audience, I guess.

Zuiun · Dec 18, 2017

dascoyne said:
Was anyone else irritated that Luke referred to a lightsaber as a "laser sword"?
Was this just Rian trying to provoke and unbalance the fandom?

I know that out here in the real world it was a call back to the original term for them way back in the original Star Wars scripts.

But in universe, I took it more as Luke's way of dismissing the old Jedi / Sith ways. Sort of trying to tell Rey to stop putting reverence into those things.

ghostryder · Dec 18, 2017

Moviefreak said:
I agree.... when it comes to a Star Wars film, you cannot judge it by the box office numbers. Some will like the film, some will not,. As you noted, the SW films people hate out of the series (like the Phantom Menace), are still HUGE box office wins. Everyone will go see a new SW film, even if they walk away hating it. And as huge SW fans, they will usually go back "HOPING" to like it the second time. So those die hard SW fans who are defending it solely based on "Well look at the ticket sales", are grasping at straws. :lol

Yeah, I don't get this either - is quantitative cheerleading supposed to be a rebuke to those who weren't entirely fans of the film?

Keiko · Dec 18, 2017

CessnaDriver said:
Guilty, so guilty. My friends and I did this with PM going back several times. I think back on this in astonishment now.
But I'm older and wiser/jaded/stubborn/discriminating now so the siren call of the nerd herd is much weaker to my ears.

I have plenty of friends who are currently saying "I didn't like it...I need to watch it again".

Star Wars films have such a huge built in audience that every movie will be a financial hit. It takes years for the devoted fans to admit they didn't like a movie that they so very much want to like. We get these repeat viewers driving up box office while saying to themselves, "maybe it was me". Later with the benefit of perspective, they can finally say it wasn't good.

I'm able to call a spade a spade in the moment, but on the other hand, there have been popular and critically acclaimed films that I didn't like that I've re-watched several times trying to figure out what I missed before finally accepting it wasn't my cup of tea.

What I'm interested in right now is to later look back on this and see how many people who are currently claiming to like the new movie will stand behind that statement.

SethS · Dec 18, 2017

I'm always shocked to learn what other people like, dislike, or spin out on...

edge10 · Dec 18, 2017

R.P. McMurphy said:
Absolutely! All three Prequels are in the top 15 grossing films of the genre and all are above ESB and ROTJ. TLJ is already top 20!

If you adjust for inflation, the prequels, not so much:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

DarthLee · Dec 18, 2017

Jedi-72 said:
There's nothing wrong with moving beyond the original films. Cool. BUT....you damn well better be replacing it with something equally as great or better, and well....they're not. At all. There's nothing there. JJ planted some seeds. I don't know WTF Johnson did. And, not for nothing, but it's immeasurably arrogant to convey this message of letting the past die within a movie that's nothing but a sloppy blend of Empire and Jedi. They did nothing new. Nothing.

I think that why I enjoyed the Prequels.. I took them as just stories telling the lead up to OT.... and they were what they were... just so we get some cool s!#t that leads us to the OT

Sequels are alittle different.

Ill play the Devils advocate:

If everything that was told in TLJ, comes true, then there will be no X. No Jedi.. no Sith.. No SW.. either Force sensitive and able to sweep a floor without getting up.. or be a civi.... and women would rule the galaxy..

Would have cool if Kilo said "hey Luke where in hell did you get that lightsaber (or lazersword, as some like it), we just broke it in half"

Also (as playing devils advocate) I guess all who thinks TFA and TLJ was a remake of different episodes of the OT, also think The Hobbit, was a remake of LOTR.

Ok now being real.. episode IX, with probably be either.. 1.5 hours.. or 4.5 hours. Hopefully with no puppets.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

It was great. Loved it. Don't miss it at the theaters.

It was good. Liked it very much. Worth the theater visit.

It was okay. Not too pleased with it. Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video.

It was disappointing. Watch it on home video instead.

It was bad. Don't waste your time with it.

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