Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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Jagjaguwar
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Well, there you have it 
I knew there’d be some who felt this way, just hadn’t spoken with any (in person or otherwise).
I knew there’d be some who felt this way, just hadn’t spoken with any (in person or otherwise).
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
Came across this, I don’t agree with 100% of the guy’s points, but he lays out his arguments much more coherently than 99% of the “youtube Guy” videos I’ve seen on the subject of TLJ. There’s a few good points I hadn’t really considered, that tend to support the idea that there’s a whole lot more going on in the film than there appears to be at first glance.
I don’t think it’ll magically change the minds of the haters (as that’s not the point), and it’s definitely not an all-encompassing review in any way, but it’s a well-constructed, well-supported series of arguments in any case. And discussions of different aspects of a film certainly interest me more than listening to somebody rant for an hour about little more than “it’s GOOD!” or “it’s BAD!”
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DARTH ANIBAL
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I don't know if it's been brought up, but "In Defense of The Last Jedi", by Movies with Mikey is also a really good analysis.
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greedo737
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Jagjaguwar
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:sleep A 100 minute long response to a 20 min video? Heh, this reminds me of something a professor once said about giving speeches:
”Are you gonna make a point? Or do you just like hearing the sound of your own voice?”
Didn’t watch the whole thing. In the first couple mins all the guy manages to say is “movie was bad because writing was not good and it had flaws.” No examples given to support that, and no specifics to back up the opinion. Then he goes on at length about how his expectations were not met by the film’s reality. Nevermind the fact that he seems to miss the whole part of the original video where it’s explained that it doesn’t apply to *all* of the fans who disliked the film, just a specific subset.
Jumped ahead to 45 mins in and we’re still just speaking in vague terms and opinions. I skip ahead again past the 1 hr mark. Not sure how the end of TFA where we see Luke for 10 seconds, there’s no dialogue and he just stares sadly at his old saber “sets him up as a wise old sage.”
I shudder to think how long his review of the 2 1/2 hour film would be... 10 hours? :lol
Really, this 100 min response video is Exhibit A for everything that’s wrong with most YouTube videos. Waaaaay too long, rambling, and microanalyzation to the point where every sentence of the original is responded to with 5 mins of talk, all boiling down to nothing more compelling than “movie BAD, story BAD.”
”Are you gonna make a point? Or do you just like hearing the sound of your own voice?”
Didn’t watch the whole thing. In the first couple mins all the guy manages to say is “movie was bad because writing was not good and it had flaws.” No examples given to support that, and no specifics to back up the opinion. Then he goes on at length about how his expectations were not met by the film’s reality. Nevermind the fact that he seems to miss the whole part of the original video where it’s explained that it doesn’t apply to *all* of the fans who disliked the film, just a specific subset.
Jumped ahead to 45 mins in and we’re still just speaking in vague terms and opinions. I skip ahead again past the 1 hr mark. Not sure how the end of TFA where we see Luke for 10 seconds, there’s no dialogue and he just stares sadly at his old saber “sets him up as a wise old sage.”
I shudder to think how long his review of the 2 1/2 hour film would be... 10 hours? :lol
Really, this 100 min response video is Exhibit A for everything that’s wrong with most YouTube videos. Waaaaay too long, rambling, and microanalyzation to the point where every sentence of the original is responded to with 5 mins of talk, all boiling down to nothing more compelling than “movie BAD, story BAD.”
Axlotl
Master Member
He's taking apart everything the guy said in the video YOU posted - which... did you even watch? Because 100-Minute-Man is right: That guy is way off base.
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
I’m not confused as to what he’s talking about.
I’m saying his argument is weak, IMO.
Of course I watched the video I posted, I even commented on how I didn’t agree with every point made :behave
Axlotl
Master Member
I listen to youtube vids while I work, so 100 minutes just makes the time go quicker.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
That's cool you can listen at work, we aren't allowed to use earbuds due to safety.
Axlotl
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mutronics
Sr Member
just watched it, he’s wrong.
astroboy
Master Member
I often like Patrick, but he's quite wrong in a lot of places here.
For one, he keeps reminding us that these are movies designed for children. For one, Star wars is arguably one of the greatest movies ever made. To say that it's just a movie for kids is a copy out. That's what Lucas said when people reacted negatively to TPM.
secondly, if they were intended for kids then TLJ fails miserably. If you think kids would prefer watching this over the OT or even the clone wars, you're crazy. Kids just don't need cynical meta-commentary and dreary shoe-gazers.
They fell in love with Star wars for it's hope. It's heroes. They (and all of us) wanted to LIVE there. Lucas created an amazing Galaxy that we were drawn to. That includes the prequels.
So far, the Galaxy Disney is showing is is dismal. I'd certainly rather ride one of those wookie flyers than one of those stupid crap-sleds on krayt
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For one, he keeps reminding us that these are movies designed for children. For one, Star wars is arguably one of the greatest movies ever made. To say that it's just a movie for kids is a copy out. That's what Lucas said when people reacted negatively to TPM.
secondly, if they were intended for kids then TLJ fails miserably. If you think kids would prefer watching this over the OT or even the clone wars, you're crazy. Kids just don't need cynical meta-commentary and dreary shoe-gazers.
They fell in love with Star wars for it's hope. It's heroes. They (and all of us) wanted to LIVE there. Lucas created an amazing Galaxy that we were drawn to. That includes the prequels.
So far, the Galaxy Disney is showing is is dismal. I'd certainly rather ride one of those wookie flyers than one of those stupid crap-sleds on krayt
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astroboy
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Oh god...I forgot about that. I still haven't made it through a second time...
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