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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 6:26 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5476

    egosheep said: View Post
    It's clear from multiple sources that there was no plan, no arc, and that JJ had a completely different vision of where VIII was going than Rian did. Rian hasn't said that his ideas were in any way mandated or influenced by Disney giving him a Lucas idea, so unless he's lying, that's irrelevant. Rian has repeatedly said he arrived at his own ideas and conclusions based on his own process, not on outside influences.
    What are the multiple sources though? Like I said, I haven't paid attention to this, really. Are these interviews with JJ himself? Interviews with Rian? Comments from the cast or production team? Or is this, like, people extrapolating from one line from an interview and then running with it? I know that the "Rian changed JJ's ideas" thing is a common refrain, but I'm wondering from where/what it stems.

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    From where did you acquire this information. It wasn't mentioned in the movie or novelization. I don't remember it from the story-development stuff in the TFA art-of book. What did I miss? All we're given in all versions of TFA is he was looking for the first Jedi temple and he disappeared after one of his students went Dark-Side and destroyed his academy. Anyone with any skill in parsing timelines can sort out you can't be out searching the galaxy from your training academy (unless you're Zarniwoop), so there has to be some lapse of time between those two data points. And, given Kylo didn't know where Luke was and was looking for him, too, he apparently hadn't found it by the time things went to hell. So, since we have no data from TFA to clarify further, I don't find it hard to believe at all that after Ben turned, Luke's reasons for finding the original Jedi temple might have shifted a bit from whatever they were prior.
    So, the search for the Jedi Temple was Luke's original goal, but the reason behind the goal may have shifted from "I'm gonna learn how to train students better" to "I'm gonna learn why the Jedi keep f-ing up and whether any of this is worth it...and then I'm gonna let myself die if I don't find anything to tell me how I should fix the Jedi."

    The First Order hadn't gone public yet. At the time Leia's true paternity was revealed and she created the Resistance, they didn't have a name yet (that Our Heroes had discovered), and only a couple people who'd been around her took her concerns about this mysterious potential threat in the Unknown Regions seriously. Certainly not a full-on neo-Imperial military force bent on galactic conquest. She probably left him with a similar exhortation to when they parted post-Jabba's-palace: "Hurry. The Alliance should be assembled by now." She trusted him then to go do his mysterious Jedi stuff and come back. We know so little of their parting prior to TFA, we certainly can't exclude something similar.

    As of TFA, the First Order has only begun nibbling around the fringes of civilized space for less than a year. As of the raid on Jakku, that was the first action those Stormtroopers, on General Hux's flagship, under the personal command of the nominal head of the First Order Stormtroopers, Captain Phasma, had seen. Leia's been actively looking for Luke in hopes of bringing him back for months, certainly. Maybe as much as a year or so. But he had no way of knowing how the situation had shifted. The mental image I'm getting is from Apollo 13, when Ken Mattingly turns off the TV just as the announcement of the emergency on the spacecraft is about to start, takes the phone off the hook so he won't be disturbed, and goes to bed.
    To be fair, a lot of that stuff is -- as you've noted -- from the novelization of TFA and some of the books that precede it. In other words, it's not in the movies. I see that as a mistake in crafting and conveying the narrative (although I understand the impulse behind it), but I lay that more at JJ's feet than at Rian's feet. JJ wanted to thrust everyone into the story in media res, which left a ton of the exposition work for Ep. VIII. Now, maybe that was JJ's plan all along -- to explain stuff in TLJ -- but I still think that's kind of a mistake, given that this is a sequel trilogy. And yeah, I know ANH is technically "Episode IV" but let's be honest: the film was written and structured as the introduction to an existing universe. While it puts you in the story in media res, it also bothers to contextualize a fair bit of stuff that's relevant for the story it's telling. With TFA, though, you're in an entirely different position storytelling-wise.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 9:46 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5477

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    What are the multiple sources though? Like I said, I haven't paid attention to this, really. Are these interviews with JJ himself? Interviews with Rian? Comments from the cast or production team? Or is this, like, people extrapolating from one line from an interview and then running with it? I know that the "Rian changed JJ's ideas" thing is a common refrain, but I'm wondering from where/what it stems.
    I will give a few interview excerpts, bear with me:

    Q: Was Rey’s fate already planned by J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan as soon as the idea of Episode VII became official ?
    Daisy Ridley: Here’s what I think I know. JJ wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX. Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way. Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII.

    Rian: JJ was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas.”

    In Last Jedi, we get the revelation that Rey is the child of no one of significant value. Can you talk about how you came to that conclusion?
    Rian: That was like everything else in the movie, something that I came to through a process of breaking the story and figuring it out. The nice thing was I didn’t… I was very thankful there was no slip of paper that was handed to me that said Rey’s parents are so and so. The fact that I had the freedom to figure it out meant that for this story I could figure out the most dramatically potent answer to that question.
    But you talked to J.J. [Abrams] about it.
    Rian: I did yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. He didn’t, no, he didn’t dictate anything to me.
    He didn’t have any idea?
    Rian: Well, I don’t know. He might have had thoughts in his head who it was going to be, but he didn’t dictate them to me. He left it open, you know. First of all, I think I enjoy the notion of disconnecting the idea of tapping into this power in yourself and having it. I like the idea of disconnecting that from lineage. I think that feels “anyone can be President.” I think that’s kind of nice.

    Rian:
    I honestly listed everything I could think of[for Rey's background], even awful possibilities where I said, ‘This is not what we’re going to do.’ I mean the less silly one was, ‘Is she a clone?’ Anything that’s a theory on Reddit now I guarantee was listed on that document. The silliest one was, ‘Is she a robot?

    Simon Pegg: I know what J.J. kind of intended or at least was being chucked around[for Rey's parents]. I think that’s kind of been undone slightly by the last one. There was some talk of a relevant lineage for her.

    Mark Hamill:
    JJ had a much different vision for what was going to happen in VIII. The first thing I said to Rian was, "How are we going to explain me being in my Jedi ceremonial robes when I first meet Rey?"

    JJ: I had a bunch of ideas from the beginning, back on VII, of where the story would go. I just never in my wildest dreams thought I would have a chance to execute them.

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    I think this paints a pretty clear picture.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 1:02 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5478

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    I will give a few interview excerpts, bear with me:

    Q: Was Rey’s fate already planned by J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan as soon as the idea of Episode VII became official ?
    Daisy Ridley: Here’s what I think I know. JJ wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX. Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way. Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII.

    Rian: JJ was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas.”

    In Last Jedi, we get the revelation that Rey is the child of no one of significant value. Can you talk about how you came to that conclusion?
    Rian: That was like everything else in the movie, something that I came to through a process of breaking the story and figuring it out. The nice thing was I didn’t… I was very thankful there was no slip of paper that was handed to me that said Rey’s parents are so and so. The fact that I had the freedom to figure it out meant that for this story I could figure out the most dramatically potent answer to that question.
    But you talked to J.J. [Abrams] about it.
    Rian: I did yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. He didn’t, no, he didn’t dictate anything to me.
    He didn’t have any idea?
    Rian: Well, I don’t know. He might have had thoughts in his head who it was going to be, but he didn’t dictate them to me. He left it open, you know. First of all, I think I enjoy the notion of disconnecting the idea of tapping into this power in yourself and having it. I like the idea of disconnecting that from lineage. I think that feels “anyone can be President.” I think that’s kind of nice.

    Rian:
    I honestly listed everything I could think of[for Rey's background], even awful possibilities where I said, ‘This is not what we’re going to do.’ I mean the less silly one was, ‘Is she a clone?’ Anything that’s a theory on Reddit now I guarantee was listed on that document. The silliest one was, ‘Is she a robot?

    Simon Pegg: I know what J.J. kind of intended or at least was being chucked around[for Rey's parents]. I think that’s kind of been undone slightly by the last one. There was some talk of a relevant lineage for her.

    Mark Hamill:
    JJ had a much different vision for what was going to happen in VIII. The first thing I said to Rian was, "How are we going to explain me being in my Jedi ceremonial robes when I first meet Rey?"

    JJ: I had a bunch of ideas from the beginning, back on VII, of where the story would go. I just never in my wildest dreams thought I would have a chance to execute them.

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    I think this paints a pretty clear picture.

    This is why I hope we get some making of books.

    While you have people saying there wasn't a plan. On the other hand you have the likes of Pablo Hildago from the Lucasfilm story group saying that what was going to be ep7 became ep8. And The Art of The Last Jedi's first chapter is for concepts of Luke and Kira(Rey) from the early stages of Ep7s development.

    So how can we rectify the differences?

    Well it all has to do with the timeline shift. Ep7 was going to tell the story of Kira finding Luke, talking him into training her, and bringing him back. But Michael Arndt concluded that every time Luke showed up he kinda took over the story. So everything is shifted, that way Luke isn't found until the very end of TFA. When Rian is brought on, he begins working on his movie, using only the script of TFA as a starting point(the film hadn't been released). And while he isnt forced to follow anything thing. Luke and Rey's relationship had already been roughed out, (and most likely Rian was showed all the concept from before TFA) and since there is really only one good way to go. What was going to be ep7 gets reworked for 8.
    Also of interest, in The Art of The Force Awakens, there are a lot of concepts for a "exotic planet". And if I were a betting man, I'd bet these evolved into Canto Bight.

    But things like Luke's involvement with Ben's turning, Luke believing that the Jedi need to end, Snoke's death, Rose, Holdo, and such I'd guess are completely from Rian's head.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 3:28 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5479

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    To be fair, a lot of that stuff is -- as you've noted -- from the novelization of TFA and some of the books that precede it. In other words, it's not in the movies. I see that as a mistake in crafting and conveying the narrative (although I understand the impulse behind it), but I lay that more at JJ's feet than at Rian's feet. JJ wanted to thrust everyone into the story in media res, which left a ton of the exposition work for Ep. VIII. Now, maybe that was JJ's plan all along -- to explain stuff in TLJ -- but I still think that's kind of a mistake, given that this is a sequel trilogy. And yeah, I know ANH is technically "Episode IV" but let's be honest: the film was written and structured as the introduction to an existing universe. While it puts you in the story in media res, it also bothers to contextualize a fair bit of stuff that's relevant for the story it's telling. With TFA, though, you're in an entirely different position storytelling-wise.
    Agree and disagree. I lay it at George's feet, first and foremost, for compressing the last four Luke episodes into one. Lay out the rough beats for what was to follow the rescue from Jabba's Palace next to what we ended up with and the damage foreshortening the story does to relatability and immersiveness becomes apparent. How many people now went "EWWWW!" at the revelation that Leia was Luke's sister, when they weren't siblings prior to the need to compress things and not introduce Luke's as-yet-unseen sister as originally planned? And so on and so on as I and others have gone into elsewhere.

    He had already preemptively compressed the Obi-Wan arc (even prior to McCallum shifting the focus more onto Anakin, also a misstep, IMO) as far back as 1978, when the series went from twelve films to nine in his interviews, and "Episode IV" got hung on Star Wars instead of "Episode VII".

    So the inheritors of the kingdom hewed to that, rather than counter the Will of Lucas and let the story be told in as many episodes as were needed. There's in media res, Latin for "telling us bugger-all and tossing us in the deep end"... but after reading Bloodline, I feel that needed to be a film prior to TFA. As it was, there's too much the audience needs to know that's either not available at all, or available in non-film sources. Above all, we need a smoother transition from ROTJ to the new era. We need to see the "new normal" established at the end of the OT get disrupted, not come in after the anthill has already been kicked over and try to figure out what happened from too few pieces of information. Never mind whether it was intended to have been part of Episode VIII as the story in Episode VII shifted more to what we got -- filling in all of that after the audience is well and truly lost is just bad storytelling.

    Analogy: When we were put into the setting in Star Wars, we didn't know the backstory, but we were told what we needed to know within the first hour. When the Prequels came out, they ended on the note that leads into the OT -- Empire founded, Jedi wiped out, Luke taken to live with family on Tatooine, Ben going into hermitage. How jarring would it be to watch through for the first time, in sequential order, end with Ankin and Padme falling in love and Obi-Wan foiling a plot to build a secret army, things are looking good... and then come into A New Hope trying to figure out what the hell happened to Anakin, why Obi-Wan's hiding in the desert, what these Clone Wars are that apparently happened in the couple decades between films that we didn't see, what happened to the Republic and what's this Empire everyone's talking about, why were the Jedi wiped out, where'd this Death Star thing come from, and so on.

    We didn't need everything spelled out in the first hour of TFA, but we needed more -- in that first hour of that film, not later and not elsewhere -- than we got.

    And even then, my post was more about getting frustrated when people still either don't know, ignore, or misconstrue the info that is out there and has been discussed in these threads. Those of us who absorb all the ancillary material -- the comics and novels and young-adult stuff, the Clone Wars and Rebels, the magazines and DVD featurettes and making-of and art-of books... We've done the legwork and distilled the information for those who haven't or couldn't. Late December 2015/17? Perfectly reasonable to be somewhat at sea on these points. Now? Not so much. We have a rough timeline of the ROTJ-TFA span. We have more specific timelines for the few years immediately after the former and before the latter. We have a lot of missing info that will hopefully be filled in at some point (never mind arguments over what "should" have been shown in the first ST installment). But we know approximately a lot of the things that have been being asked or misrepresented recently. And I can only watch people being wrong on the internet for so long before I need to say something.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 7:27 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5480

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    This is why I hope we get some making of books.
    Rinzler was fired and his finished book on TFA was never released. Probably never will be.

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    While you have people saying there wasn't a plan. On the other hand you have the likes of Pablo Hildago from the Lucasfilm story group saying that what was going to be ep7 became ep8. And The Art of The Last Jedi's first chapter is for concepts of Luke and Kira(Rey) from the early stages of Ep7s development.

    So how can we rectify the differences?

    Well it all has to do with the timeline shift. Ep7 was going to tell the story of Kira finding Luke, talking him into training her, and bringing him back. But Michael Arndt concluded that every time Luke showed up he kinda took over the story. So everything is shifted, that way Luke isn't found until the very end of TFA. When Rian is brought on, he begins working on his movie, using only the script of TFA as a starting point(the film hadn't been released). And while he isnt forced to follow anything thing. Luke and Rey's relationship had already been roughed out, (and most likely Rian was showed all the concept from before TFA) and since there is really only one good way to go. What was going to be ep7 gets reworked for 8.
    You say there was only one way to go, but Rian has spoken at great length about his writing process and the reasons behind his decisions. He's specifically said that he didn't have any directive and didn't have or use anything given to him, written by Lucas or otherwise.

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    Also of interest, in The Art of The Force Awakens, there are a lot of concepts for a "exotic planet". And if I were a betting man, I'd bet these evolved into Canto Bight.
    It's very doubtful, especially since the designs for Canto Bight were thrown out late in TLJ's development because KK said they didn't look like SW to her.

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    But things like Luke's involvement with Ben's turning, Luke believing that the Jedi need to end, Snoke's death, Rose, Holdo, and such I'd guess are completely from Rian's head.
    That's the thing, according to Rian the whole thing is from his head, with no direction besides the framework present in TFA's script.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 7:35 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5481

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    You say there was only one way to go, but Rian has spoken at great length about his writing process and the reasons behind his decisions. He's specifically said that he didn't have any directive and didn't have or use anything given to him, written by Lucas or otherwise.

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    I meant one good logical way to go with the story......I should have clarified, sorry
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 9:58 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5482

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    You say there was only one way to go, but Rian has spoken at great length about his writing process and the reasons behind his decisions. He's specifically said that he didn't have any directive and didn't have or use anything given to him, written by Lucas or otherwise.
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    Here's the thing. We can deduce that some of the basic ideas survived. In January of 2013 there's a big meeting at Lucasfilm, with George present.(this is only meeting of new films where George is present) Alot of art is shown, including ideas for the first Jedi temple, one of which is approved by George. By February 2013, the concept art for Luke has taken a shift. Now he's seen in various states of depression. In two he's just sitting letting sand pour on top of him, slowly burying him, and he doesn't even care. In one he's imagining the two suns of Tatooine. In another he's being haunted by a Dark Side specter. Also in February Doug Chiang paints Luke's x-wing submerged in the waters of a sea.
    And for comparisons sake, Rian submits his first draft for TLJ March 4th 2015.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 10:27 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5483

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    Here's the thing. We can deduce that some of the basic ideas survived. In January of 2013 there's a big meeting at Lucasfilm, with George present.(this is only meeting of new films where George is present) Alot of art is shown, including ideas for the first Jedi temple, one of which is approved by George. By February 2013, the concept art for Luke has taken a shift. Now he's seen in various states of depression. In two he's just sitting letting sand pour on top of him, slowly burying him, and he doesn't even care. In one he's imagining the two suns of Tatooine. In another he's being haunted by a Dark Side specter. Also in February Doug Chiang paints Luke's x-wing submerged in the waters of a sea.
    And for comparisons sake, Rian submits his first draft for TLJ March 4th 2015.
    He submitted his first script draft then, but he finished the basic story in August of 2014. An X wing in the sea isn't much in the scheme of the story, and the Jedi temple George approved was a bell-like structure that wasn't used. I still don't see this affecting the bottom line that JJ had a vision in place, Rian had a different take an ran with it, as was his right. According to Rian, whatever planning took place before he was around, he wasn't privy to it and it wasn't an influence on his story.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 12, 2018, 11:42 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5484

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    He submitted his first script draft then, but he finished the basic story in August of 2014. An X wing in the sea isn't much in the scheme of the story, and the Jedi temple George approved was a bell-like structure that wasn't used. I still don't see this affecting the bottom line that JJ had a vision in place, Rian had a different take an ran with it, as was his right. According to Rian, whatever planning took place before he was around, he wasn't privy to it and it wasn't an influence on his story.

    Oh I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that he didn't follow anything that J.J. may have had. My big thing is the idea that a down and out Luke was there from the very beginning. People are always putting the blame on Rian for the way Luke is. And while he fleshed out Luke's arc in TLJ, the foundation for Luke was laid in the early days of TFA. It's very telling the shift in how Luke is portrayed from before the meeting in Jan 2013 to after the meeting.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 13, 2018, 7:15 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5485

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    Oh I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that he didn't follow anything that J.J. may have had. My big thing is the idea that a down and out Luke was there from the very beginning. People are always putting the blame on Rian for the way Luke is. And while he fleshed out Luke's arc in TLJ, the foundation for Luke was laid in the early days of TFA. It's very telling the shift in how Luke is portrayed from before the meeting in Jan 2013 to after the meeting.
    You can ignore the interviews and cling to some early concept art but RJ wrote the film, it's pretty clear it was his baby. Luke being depressed or down and out is a big understatement to his character in TLJ. Even if the script were penned by Lucas it would still suck. (IMO)
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 13, 2018, 7:42 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5486

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    You can ignore the interviews and cling to some early concept art but RJ wrote the film, it's pretty clear it was his baby. Luke being depressed or down and out is a big understatement to his character in TLJ. Even if the script were penned by Lucas it would still suck. (IMO)
    So let me put this way, as I'm bad conveying my thoughts

    The interviews are about if Rian followed JJ's plans, and the resounding answer is no.

    What I am suggesting is that Rian followed, or maybe a better word would be, was inspired by stuff that was originally done for TFA. Stuff that got shelved when the timeline of TFA was shifted back. We know for instance that as he started developing his story when he spent 5 days with Rick Carter. They'd go on long walks just talking, bouncing ideas back and forth.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 13, 2018, 7:44 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5487

    That's what JJ and his guy did too. Walking the streets of Paris and such. These are some very romantic dudes.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 5:58 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5488

    I can’t believe they would be out and public and talk about this stuff? Maybe all code names and stuff?


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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 8:47 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5489

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    I can’t believe they would be out and public and talk about this stuff? Maybe all code names and stuff?


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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 11:18 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5490

    edit: answered previously
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 11:24 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5491

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    You know a lot of the issues with Luke being on Achto could have been easily remedied by a very simple change. For me the logical conclusion would have been that Luke was not on a self imposed exile but had been banished. After his screw up with Kylo the people in charge would have told him "thanks but no thanks, we don't need you around anymore if this is the best you can do" For me this would have made better sense and then the people that told him to take a hike would have had to come asking for his help. Easy for me to rewrite a movie once it is out but that is just my 2 cents
    The "people in Charge"?

    In charge of Whom? There was no more Jedi council. As far as the Jedi Order, Luke was IT.

    Besides... his self conviction is far more powerful and impacts his character in a much more meaningful way than some arbitrary order from someone in the Republic governmental structure.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 1:45 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5492

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    Rinzler was fired and his finished book on TFA was never released. Probably never will be.
    It's pretty obvious that there is some juicy details they didn't want us to know from Rinzler's book and by firing him it says volumes to that.

    A real shame because I love seeing stuff behind the scenes.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 3:41 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5493

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    It's pretty obvious that there is some juicy details they didn't want us to know from Rinzler's book and by firing him it says volumes to that.

    A real shame because I love seeing stuff behind the scenes.
    Was Rinzler fired?

    In a little interview I read, he said he was co-writing The Making of The Force Awakens. But it seems like he was slowly on his way out from Lucasfilm so he didn't get heavily involved with the book. In fact he never was on set of TFA. The guy that was, Mark Vaz, was the one doing most of the writing.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 8:45 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5494

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    Was Rinzler fired?

    In a little interview I read, he said he was co-writing The Making of The Force Awakens. But it seems like he was slowly on his way out from Lucasfilm so he didn't get heavily involved with the book. In fact he never was on set of TFA. The guy that was, Mark Vaz, was the one doing most of the writing.
    IIRC the TFA book was finished and Amazon preorders were up. Disney cancelled the book and it's never been released, and Rinzler wasn't invited to make a TLJ book. He seemed to imply that Disney really didn't want details of TFA's development out there, as it could potentially spoil IX or perhaps entire other trilogies they want to make from rejected TFA ideas.
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    1 Week Ago  Sep 14, 2018, 10:52 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #5495

    Didn't he set up a blog titled The Rise and Fall of Star Wars chronicling the behind the scenes of the Prequels and was supposed to also go into the acquisition by Disney but was abruptly taken down by you-know-who before it reached "The Fall" part? He parted ways with LFL right after that if I remember correctly.

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