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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 8:39 AM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #76

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    I wonder if this is just a pose for a publicity shot or for real filming because the lens of that camera is only capturing white Wampa fur up close

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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 8:41 AM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #77

    Sym-Cha said: View Post
    I wonder if this is just a pose for a publicity shot or for real filming because the lens of that camera is only capturing white Wampa fur up close

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    it’s interesting timing we are looking at this now cause just 4 days ago Mark Hamill tweeted about this scene playfully upset about the amputation which he was allegedly unaware of. The thing of interest is that he says in his own tweet the Wampa wasn’t on set for that - yet here’s this picture which is basically that exact moment he’s about to swipe at him, correct?

    Mark’s full quote: "When filming scene I was assured my lightsaber swipe toward camera (creature not on set) would simply singe fur 2 scare him off-Horrified to later see amputation & unnecessary cruelty- Wampa was HUNGRY (not EVIL)-Luke would never do this!"

    Maybe they are shot for different purposes or maybe just more evidence of unreliable memories?
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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 10:10 AM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #78

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    itís interesting timing we are looking at this now cause just 4 days ago Mark Hamill tweeted about this scene playfully upset about the amputation which he was allegedly unaware of. The thing of interest is that he says in his own tweet the Wampa wasnít on set for that - yet hereís this picture which is basically that exact moment heís about to swipe at him, correct?

    Markís full quote: "When filming scene I was assured my lightsaber swipe toward camera (creature not on set) would simply singe fur 2 scare him off-Horrified to later see amputation & unnecessary cruelty- Wampa was HUNGRY (not EVIL)-Luke would never do this!"

    Maybe they are shot for different purposes or maybe just more evidence of unreliable memories?
    Heh, mark has been on record saying some pretty accurate stuff. And then again heís been on record saying some really in Un accurate stuff

    He was interviewed at a comic con in the late 90s early 2000ís before we ever saw the deleted RoTJ cave scene with the lightsaber

    We have only heard rumors of this scene. When a fan asked mark, mark stated there was never a cave scene with him working on his Lightsaber...

    Again you canít blame these actors for forgetting. They arenít like us, their job is to act, not pay attention to ever little detail

    Iím interested now and trying to pin down that the wampa cave is a stunt.

    Possibly 2 sabers were used in the ďpull outĒ scene (címon guys get your minds out of the gutter!)

    Saber in he snow being wiggled, and then one being pulled out of the snow?

    To me the one being pulled out of the snow has the same black clamp/screw mark on the clamp.

    That is just me though, could be the hole left behind in the clamp with the screw removed

    Also the grips on the wampa cave are really really beat up... do we have any good pictures of the grips of the stunts in ESB?

    Anyone got hi-Rez pics of Luke training with the lightsaber with yoda on his back? Trying to think of pictures... any behind the scenes pics of vader and Luke in the darkside cave?
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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 12:46 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #79



    'Your weapons ... you will not need them'

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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 12:50 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #80





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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 12:50 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #81

    I take Scottís word on the small screws only being added sometime on or around Dagobah as 100% true purely in recognizing his wealth of knowledge.

    I will add that it makes sense to me within the context of these scenes. The scenes in question where I think this saber really started to get messed up are when Luke jumps out of his X wing, into the water, climbs ashore, and then runs after the ejected R2. Iím also pretty sure these were some of the last to be filmed. It would seem logical to me then when Mark jumps into the water, the corresponding upward force of the water on the saber might start to loosen or displace the grips, which is why they were added in those spots at the very end. If you watch the scene in the movie, Mark also climbs up onto the land kind of banging the saber into the ground a bunch of times which would lead me to speculate that the lever may have become caught on something and subsequently damaged requiring a screw to hold it in place.

    Again, I take Scottís word on this matter as fundamentally true requiring no additional evidence or explanation; this is just my purely-for-fun best guess as to how this may have possibly played out.
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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 1:00 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #82

    halliwax said: View Post
    Also the grips on the wampa cave are really really beat up... do we have any good pictures of the grips of the stunts in ESB?
    It makes me feel so much more at ease knowing its not a hero. the grips are terrible on this saber, some of them dont even look remotely like Ts anymore
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    2 Weeks Ago  Dec 2, 2017, 11:30 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #83

    thd9791 said: View Post
    It makes me feel so much more at ease knowing its not a hero. the grips are terrible on this saber, some of them dont even look remotely like Ts anymore
    agree with ya buddy, it makes more sense being a stunt with the shape those grips are in.. still wonder how the hell they got that way...

    - - - Updated - - -

    is it safe to say the dark side cave was NOT filmed where the dagobah set was filmed. i remember reading that the dark side cave is the bespin halls covered in roots and moss.
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 1:31 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #84

    Sym-Cha said: View Post
    I wonder if this is just a pose for a publicity shot or for real filming because the lens of that camera is only capturing white Wampa fur up close

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    I think it might be real. After checking, it appears this one cave sequence was shot over a period of 4 days by both Kershner and Kurtz directing first and second units, respectively.

    Apparently, they had already shot this scene in some capacity, but Kershner was unhappy with it and re-story boarded the entire thing to do over.

    They were already behind schedule, so allegedly Kershner directed first unit for one full day and then moved on to direct other scenes while Kurtz directed second unit which spent another 3 days on this one scene.

    Thought that was really interesting!




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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 5:48 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #85

    I really must re-read that Journal of the Making of TESB, I posted earlier, since the paper-bugs are eating the edge of the tasty vintage (1980) cover already

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 8:36 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #86

    Anyone have a clear picture of the correct bottom we need for the dagobah saber? Iím going cross eyed in confusion now


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 9:30 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #87

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    Anyone have a clear picture of the correct bottom we need for the dagobah saber? Iím going cross eyed in confusion now


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    I think the pictures you want are just the known ones of the ranch saber and the new one Gino shared. I posted both again just for sake of ease. I *think* it boils down to the following for a Dagobah variant:

    - A patented folmer (as Gino has definitively matched the ranch saber bottom with one used filming Dagobah)
    - notched grips with (black and/or rusted?)screws
    - black screws at top of each grip on right side only?
    - empty socket behind bunny ears,
    - red button in front socket
    - normal chrome tape
    - and the Kobold in the normal config with standard ESB D ring (as its seen everywhere and clearly intended to be).

    Someone please check my summary - especially the screw colors and whether the top screws are only on one side.

    Once again a huge thank you to Gino for this awesome picture!




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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 9:32 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #88

    Sorry MS, I meant the correct bottom on a normal Vintage Graflex. With out the kobold on it, so I can see what it looks like from factory.

    I am confused with the folmer, Folmer patent, and NY Rochester versions


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 9:37 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #89

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    Sorry MS, I meant the correct bottom on a normal Vintage Graflex. With out the kobold on it, so I can see what it looks like from factory.

    I am confused with the folmer, Folmer patent, and NY Rochester versions


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    Oh my bad. Well, someone double check my summary anyway! haha.

    Thereís the bottom of one. Check out Scottís Graflex guide too. Lots of pics there.




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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 9:38 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #90

    Where the heck was this?! I read Scottís whole thread again this morning! Iím really losing my mind

    Thank you ms, I appreciate it. This is exactly what I was looking for


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 3, 2017, 9:39 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #91

    Scott is a wealth of knowledge... but that guide is SETH'S... mostly based on Scott's knowledge...
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 12:23 AM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #92

    As for the dagobah screws and when they were added I don't know for certain. I just know they only show up on the one saber bottom can... then eventually is the only one left in the archives directly connected to ESB that we know of. And that's just the one part that we can match. The rest of that saber, as seen on set, can't be matched to anything that's out there today. At least in photos I've seen so far.

    I still think there were likely at least two belt hangers. There's plenty of evidence to show some of their distinct qualities.

    The wampanoag cave close up saber, looks to me to be the main belt hanger we see MOST of the time. I Swear there was a video somewhere showing it in action... I can't for the life of me find it again though.
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 1:41 AM - Upside-down Kobold? #93

    SethS said: View Post
    Scott is a wealth of knowledge... but that guide is SETH'S... mostly based on Scott's knowledge...
    Danny must have meant the Graflex facts vs replica thread:

    https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=144206
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 12:30 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #94

    Had to run and grab some stuff at the hardware store today. While I was there I found these cute little guys



    I still donít know if they are flat heads or pan heads
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 12:39 PM - Upside-down Kobold? #95

    roygilsing said: View Post
    Danny must have meant the Graflex facts vs replica thread:

    https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=144206
    I meant Scottís Graflex thread regarding vintage vs replicas (and all the differences between them) when I mentioned it to Halliwax since he said he he wanted more info on the Graflex types. Sorry if that was confusing.

    But, definitely - both Sethís lightsaber guidebook and Scottís Graflex thread are my go-to resources on a regular basis!




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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 1:14 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #96

    Boy I really can screw up a free lunch huh loo


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:55 PM - Upside-down Kobold? #97

    Anyone got a high res pic of this? This was posted in another thread. I canít link because Iím on my iPod. But it shows what is to believe the dagobah saber! The poster of the pic explained for some reason they had Hamill take more ANH promo pictures while filming ESB.

    Is it me or does it look like this saber has the v3 clamp on it? Looks like holes at the top of the clamp no?

    Again Iím viewing from my little screen, canít wait to see this sucker

    Maybe we can see if this has the flip clip?
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:27 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #98

    That was photoshopped over the holiday special saber ages ago - that saber was never on set during that shoot!
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:34 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #99

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    That was photoshopped over the holiday special saber ages ago - that saber was never on set during that shoot!
    They are saying they had Hamill get back in the anh setup while filming ESB? Any truth behind that?
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:50 PM - Re: Upside-down Kobold? #100

    Yep that is true - he also wears a newly made ANH style belt for that shoot.

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