My only real complaint about the movie is Gaff. I'd like to believe even in the old folks home, Gaff would still be O.G. and using cityspeak all the time.
Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release)
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Saw it again today. Encouraging that I wasn't alone in the theater at an 11:40am matinee. Maybe word of mouth will help it's box office. Loved it even more. One thing I noticed was K said he never retired a human but then proceeds to lay waste to some of those junkyard guys who I assume were human. I wonder if he can kill people if they try and prevent him from doing his job.
Agreed, he didn’t seem like the character at all. Should have talked less if at all.
Well, there *was* mention of the Nexus-7 in the "N7" designation in Rachel's serial number (& she HAD the extended life-span).
For the record, I think of Deckard as a replicant, BUT I'm plenty OK with the notion of him being human, as well.
Tyderium
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As a big fan of the original I completely agree with all this.
I've seen it twice and planning to go a third time.
I love the fact that many of the questions don't have definitive answers. If Ridley had made this he would have removed any ambiguity surrounding Deckard.
Villeneuve embraces the ambiguity. He gets it and understands that's where the interest lies.
Initially I really missed Vangelis but on second viewing I appreciated the score so much more. The soundtrack is so utterly pounding and unrelenting, dark and nightmarish, screaming and machine-like. It is just as integral to the visual composition of this film as the ethereal Vangelis score was to the first.
The farm and the pot boiling on the stove in the opening scenes was a great nod to fans of the back-story of the original film.
I have mixed feelings about the appearance of the Rachael clone, more specifically the CGI rendering. As a technical achievement it is amazing and one that tops IMO, the version of Leia in Rogue One. However, as good as it was, there was still something a little off with the likeness. It looked a little as if Sean Young had a twin sister rather than the 1982 version of Sean Young herself. I'm choosing to look at it in the context of the film's story that this is a remake of Rachael, so in that light, something could be a little off about the clone. I loved Deckard's dismissive line "Her eyes were green.."
Wallace's speech was designed to be inflammatory and goad Deckard into questioning himself and spilling information about the child. But the ambiguity is mercifully kept intact. As personal preference, I prefer the idea of Deckard being human and agree with what Ford has said about the character in the past - the notion that audiences need a human character to identify with and the profundity of a human / replicant bonding holding much more weight and interest.
How K knew who Deckard's daughter was had me perplexed too - on both viewings.
But I think it is this...
K discovers the memory maker is female, roughly 30 years of age and intimates she possibly uses real memories in her work.
Stelline tells him his memory is 'real'.
Later, once Freysa informs him the missing child was female and the crushing realisation his 'real' memory was an implant and remembering the memory maker's emotional reaction upon viewing his memory, he deduces Deckard's daughter could only be Stelline.
The fact that this film has its own originality, effortlessly striking that balance of expanding the universe - visually, sonically and story-wise while working within the confines of the first film's enduring legacy, really makes it a wonderful achievement. The definition of a modern classic.
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Did anyone catch what Mariette said as she stood by K's bed and picked up the horse? It sounded like she mentions a dream. It made me wonder if she had the same memory as K. Also on first viewing I thought Stelline could actually see K's memory but now realize she was simply studying his emotional response and could indentify the menory as being real but not it's actual content.
Carla Juri reminds me of Ally Sheedy.
Carla Juri reminds me of Ally Sheedy.
It's beautiful how Deckard's retreat from the world is paralleled with J.F. Sebastian's self-imposed social isolation. There's that leitmotif when K enters the casino which was first heard in Blade Runner when Deckard entered the Bradbury. And, if that wasn't enough to drive the parallel, Joi exploring the place and looking at the canisters is a direct reference to Pris exploring J.F.'s place.
And if you listen closely while Joi is looking at the canisters you can hear a sound effect that I first heard in ALIEN and then ESB and Prometheus.
And in Deckard's apartment. Ben Burtt made it for Alien, and he used it again in ESB. Since it was also part of the effects library archived for Alien, Ridley reused it, too.
The first time I saw it I also thought she said "It's from a dream," but the second time I'm absolutely sure that she said "It's from a tree," hearkening back to her first conversation with K and seeing the picture of Sapper's dead tree.
Ah, ok, thank you.
Mr Webber
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I thought that the police spinner that fell from the sky and crashed into a building in the anime Black Out 2022 after the EMP was just a generic one with a generic pilot but it was pointed out by Noeland yesterday that it is in fact Gaff and his spinner. How does Gaff show up in 2049 making sheepdog origami`s and the spinner leaking oil on Deckard`s floor?
Sigh. I want to say I loved it, but the truth is, I didn’t. Beautifully shot. Some great sets, props, and wardrobe, but man did this movie suffer from a severe lack of editing. So many scenes drug on for a painful amount of time and for no gain. It also felt that multiple plot points were left purposefully vague in an effort to be “deep” and “provoking” when in reality they were just generic and unspecific. Not a bad film but it seemed more like it was trying to be what everyone says the first film is than it was simply confident in its own story and style.
Like all things, to each his own. This movie seeps into my blood on a daily basis.
jedi573
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Yup, as soon as I heard that my mind snapped back to ESB. Great sound. Subtle yet penetrative.
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