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    Oct 6, 2017, 7:09 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #51

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    No, I believe she did did in childbirth. There was an emergency c-section to save the baby.

    Wasn’t the woman holding the baby in the photo the resistance leader we meet later who has removed her right eye? She talks about being there, etc.

    I could be wrong. It was a late night showing and I need to see it... a few more times. But I definitely got the clear impression Rachael died in childbirth.
    She died in childbirth,.....yes the woman in the photo with the baby was the one eyed replicant

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    Oct 6, 2017, 7:46 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #52

    Need to see the Gaff scene again to get it straight. He`s definitely not Gaff "The Dandy" anymore, seems like the "Retirement" home he`s in has dulled his sense of style and need to talk in cityspeak. Did he assist in the escape and why did he do an origami of Deckards dog?
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    Oct 6, 2017, 10:27 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #53

    Accidentally booked front row centre in an IMAX 2D cinema. Seeing it again Tuesday from the same seat. Absolutely immersive. It's not the original but it's a fantastic, transporting contemplative film. So much to unpack.
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    Oct 6, 2017, 11:05 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #54

    Just left the theater. I thought it was very good. I will need to rewatch it to catch the finer details. I think they captured the flavor of Blade Runner very well.

    I cant wait to spend some real time watching and analyizing this movie. I noted that Gaff had the same (or very similar) cane that he had in the original. It is also the same one that Olmos' character carries in Agents of shield.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 1:12 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #55

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    Need to see the Gaff scene again to get it straight. He`s definitely not Gaff "The Dandy" anymore, seems like the "Retirement" home he`s in has dulled his sense of style and need to talk in cityspeak. Did he assist in the escape and why did he do an origami of Deckards dog?
    Its a sheep : Check 44 seconds into trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CjPWSlrcY note the lack of a tail and the general body structure.

    Its either a clever nod to the title of the original novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and its trying to get the audience to think that Gaff knows Deckard is a replicant or its just a throwaway to show that he still makes figures,
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    Oct 7, 2017, 2:03 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #56

    Still not clear he's a replicant... which is nice. I'm sure everyone will argue it to death...

    Man... too much to unpack... how do you even start tearing apart the scenes... themes... gah.

    I loved it.

    Is it better than the original... no... and yes... mostly no...

    It's chapter 2. The way movies sequels should be. Continuing the story, not re imagining it.

    Great ending... great "twists"... great design... love the world... loved the characters...

    I don't even know if I can hang in this thread cuz it's just gonna be nuts in her dissecting...

    And maybe I don't want to dissect it.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 2:47 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #57

    Just got back and trying to digest it. I don't think I've run into a movie that's inspired this kind of reaction from me before. I love it. Unashamedly, and without reservation. It's huge, it's epic, it's languid and aggressively unfolds at its own pace. It's inarguably gorgeous in every frame. It absolutely belongs in the Blade Runner world of hyper-real, and purely expressionistic visual metaphor. It (mostly) feels like a natural evolution of the world we were introduced to. It's a more coherent narrative than Blade Runner. And yet...it doesn't manage to ask the big questions the way Blade Runner does. It also doesn't come close to sticking the landing for me, the climax...isn't...and doesn't make a lick of sense (sooooo....they discover one too few bodies, none of which are a 70-something year old man, and from THAT deduce that Deckard drowned? How does that work exactly?) And I can't say I see why Deckard is in this movie at all. I mean, unless you know the first movie and want to know 'what happened to them next', there's no particular reason Joe has any connection to him, or any reason to save him. I also don't buy ANY of the ending. None of it. Rick hasn't been pining for his child the whole movie, so who cares about their reunion? Joe hasn't been racing against his own impending mortality like Batty was, so killing him just feels like 'welp, jeeze, it's been great, but (YAAAAAAAAAWN) we're almost three hours in, and it's sure late, so....we're gonna get going audience....". It's so frustrating in the end....but I deeply love it regardless.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 3:36 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #58

    Joe's investment in Deckard was the belief that he was his father. I had no issue with him continuing to save him after he realized he wasn't his son.

    EVERYTHING Deckard did was to protect his daughter... so I had no problem buying he would want to see her, especially after a pseudo-reunion with a replicant that wasn't quite his wife/mother of his child.

    Joe's dying was just a shot, but the point was made. When he first left the place with Deckard's daughter, he believed he may be real... "have a soul" (which he stated the importance of earlier) and he was "a real boy" (obvious reference to Pinocchio... ironic cuz wood is rare and precious). he watched snow fall on his hands... which I took as marking the moment he realized he wasn't a "skin job". in the end he knows he's a skin job, and watching the snow fall on his hands I think he realizes it ultimately doesn't matter... he's still dying. What's more alive than something that can die?

    Even his girl could tell the end was coming and panicked, feeling the need to express love. So what is being alive?

    I'm too half asleep for this... and these conversations are going to go on and on... this thread will be chaotic with love and dissection.

    Fun!
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    Oct 7, 2017, 6:14 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #59

    Great movie, a totally different beast from the original, but 2049 has legs to stand on its own. It would be pointless to tell what I liked, as a whole the movie just stroke a cord with me personally, not the same one as the original but it definitely did. So I'll just focus on what I didn't like. Joi. Can't really see the purpose for it being so central in K's story, but I guess a second vision will allow me to better undestand its weight, narratively speaking. The second thing is not something I dind't outright enjoy, just something that in time might be problematic. The whole Frysia (not sure if the spelling is correct) story put things in a much broader contest which I fear will shortly be exploited in all kinds of other media, such as comic books, novels, video games and even tv shows. I really don't want to see a procedural buddy cop tv show set in a LAPD station...

    And finally: the final confrontation sequence. I though it was brilliant, the incessant crashing of the waves set up a sense of impending doom. Too bad I didn't enjoy it. And the fault is yours! All I could think about was what was going to happen to Deckard's blaster! I cared about it more than I cared about K and Deckard And I am even angrier because I didn't pay attention as to where it ended up. I believe K got disarmed after shooting and wounding Luv, and I guess the blaster fell into the water to not be seen again.

    Can you confirm this? Did any other of you got distracted in that scene? I remember thinking: couldn't they just fight on the bloody ground instead of deep water? Just for the sake of the blaster!
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    Oct 7, 2017, 10:45 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #60

    I have just come in from seeing it.

    I always loved the original and had no idea (being 12 or so) that the critics didn't like it or that it didn't do so well.
    It had everything that I wanted from a film including Atari neon. I truly understood the real hero was Roy and it was his search for meaning that drove everything and Deckard only questioned his own existence in relief, and then grabbed at his second chance.

    I'm so relieved this second chance was never taken for granted in 2049.

    I came close to tears two or three times during the movie and at beginning of the credits my girlfriend disappeared of to the girls room, and then I totally caved in.
    I cried silently for most of the credits.

    A sequel addressing the main topic of the original without rehashing, will never happen this well ever again.
    I'm in shock.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 11:59 AM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #61

    Thats what everyone said after the Godfather-2 came out!

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    A sequel addressing the main topic of the original without rehashing, will never happen this well ever again.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 12:14 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #62

    Looks like 2049 is suffering like the first did at the box office.

    Fridays estimates are close to 13 Million

    EEYIKES!

    Been having this discussion with a few people will the younger crowd go see this?

    Do they even care?
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    Oct 7, 2017, 12:16 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #63

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    Thats what everyone said after the Godfather-2 came out!
    Agreed but this has robots and spaceships
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    Oct 7, 2017, 12:33 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #64

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    will the younger crowd go see this?

    Do they even care?
    I said this to my gf on the way to see the film, I knew if they were to get it right it would be one of the slowest films of all time. And it was.
    Most people hate that.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 1:35 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #65

    K died because he found his purpose. Batista stated something to the effect of: there's no greater purpose than dying for a good cause. In terms of the film's narrative, he had to die. And this one ended much like the original, instead substituting Deckard's daughter for Rachael, embarking on a journey to an uncertain future. Does it need a sequel? No more than the original did, but if they do, it had better be at least as good as this one.

    While I'm not in the "best sequel ever" camp (although I think 35 years is the record for longest time between original and sequel), I feel this was a worthy successor to the original.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 4:51 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #66

    Just came back from the cinema, and I thought it really did justice to the first movie. Beautiful setting and visuals. Colours are great too, it really is immersive!

    Just a question though, and I don't think it's ever been mentioned. But what happened to the 4 years life span of Replicants? Did they remove that, and if so, why? Knowing they'd always rebel eventually?
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    Oct 7, 2017, 5:02 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #67

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    Absolutely amazing. I came out seriously questioning what was real or not, and feeling like a different person than when I went in.

    and Denise you sneaky bastard, you managed to add to the “Deckard is a replicant” idea without straight up answering it one way or another.
    ”I know what’s real...”
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    Oct 7, 2017, 5:40 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #68

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    Its a sheep : Check 44 seconds into trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CjPWSlrcY note the lack of a tail and the general body structure.

    Its either a clever nod to the title of the original novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and its trying to get the audience to think that Gaff knows Deckard is a replicant or its just a throwaway to show that he still makes figures,
    Until I see it again I`m not convinced. I cant find a picture of the dog but remember it had a massive fur chest and its tail was between its legs. It works in with my theory that Gaff is a replicant and was helping Deckard all the time. I cant decide till I see it again if the scene with Gaff in 2049 alludes to this or not. Gaff in a RETIREMENT home....genius.

    If he does randomly just make a sheep with its only context being to the book title it would be the only openly lame moment in a movie that was meticulously structured not to have any lame moments. Gaffs origami from the original all had clear context and impact.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 5:53 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #69

    I'll go ahead and go against the grain here.

    Nice to revisit this universe (captured the atmosphere) for a few minutes and then it's just, blah'....snooze fest.

    Good thing I had a couple beers before I went in to ease the pain.

    -Rylo
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    Oct 7, 2017, 5:58 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #70

    I thought it was the sacred cow, and was just there riffing of the prodigal son ref. Can't back it up though.

    The four year lifespan is no longer needed as the replicants are now perfected and are more subservient/obedient.

    Nexus 8.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 6:09 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #71

    Lawrence of arabia, 2001, apocalypse now and the original blade runner have all been described as snore fests and very slow films.

    The Mona Lisa doesn't move at all. All beautiful.
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    Oct 7, 2017, 6:20 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #72

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    I thought it was the sacred cow, and was just there riffing of the prodigal son ref. Can't back it up though.

    The four year lifespan is no longer needed as the replicants are now perfected and are more subservient/obedient.

    Nexus 8.
    Yeah but who wants a slave that can age??
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    Oct 7, 2017, 6:21 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #73

    Quote: Lawrence of arabia, 2001, apocalypse now and the original blade runner have all been described as snore fests and very slow films.

    The Mona Lisa doesn't move at all. All beautiful.


    Meh, Okay...I'm not looking to be converted; glad it spoke to you. I found it to be terribly disappointing. Truly one of the most disappointing films I've seen in a long time. and, I loved the original!

    Seeing Ford continue to hobble along and phone in the exact same performance in his last few films has left me feeling like Charlie Brown when Lucy pulls the ball out from under him. I keep hoping for one result but continue to get more of the same ol'

    Again, fun to revisit the universe for a few, but was ready to leave after the first hour.

    -Rylo
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    Oct 7, 2017, 7:10 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #74

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    Quote: Lawrence of arabia, 2001, apocalypse now and the original blade runner have all been described as snore fests and very slow films.

    The Mona Lisa doesn't move at all. All beautiful.


    Meh, Okay...I'm not looking to be converted; glad it spoke to you. I found it to be terribly disappointing. Truly one of the most disappointing films I've seen in a long time. and, I loved the original!

    Seeing Ford continue to hobble along and phone in the exact same performance in his last few films has left me feeling like Charlie Brown when Lucy pulls the ball out from under him. I keep hoping for one result but continue to get more of the same ol'

    Again, fun to revisit the universe for a few, but was ready to leave after the first hour.

    -Rylo
    This^^ Does Ford even bother anymore? How does K get back from the scrap yard when his Spinner is downed? How come the PKD gun shoots more than 5 shots? Why does Wallace need to take Deckard off world? Why is this film duller than Arrival?
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    Oct 7, 2017, 7:34 PM - Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release) #75

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    This^^ Does Ford even bother anymore? How does K get back from the scrap yard when his Spinner is downed? How come the PKD gun shoots more than 5 shots? Why does Wallace need to take Deckard off world? Why is this film duller than Arrival?
    Had reservations about ford but he wasn't too bad, and wasn't overused as much as I was worried he would be.

    The Blade Runner blaster has always been refered to as a blaster, only nerds like us know its a revolver underneath so there would be mussle flash on film in 1981, pre cgi.

    He tells the drone to look after the spinner so it must have just needed rebooting after the power outage. didn't need to see that really, slow the film even more.

    You've got me on the next one though...

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