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    Aug 17, 2017, 10:03 PM - Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #1

    Part 1: Greeblies, Greeblies... Hangar Bays and Engine Section

    Now that the Master Builders like Robiwon, Scarecrow Joe and others have shown us novices the incredible efforts they have made to their Zvezda builds (and I truly stand in awestruck wonder looking at the threads with all the WIPs) it's time for a novice like me to share my feeble efforts in the build.

    This will only the the second kit I've ever lit, and I have purchased all the .25 MM & .5 MM fiber fiber and LEDs from model Train Software, along with the remote control and AA battery pack, as I intend to power this internally and hang it from spider wire from the ceiling. I will use magnets to hold the wedding cake lid section down so I can access the battery pack as needed.

    This is the first kit I've ever attempted to do a WIP of the progress, and sometimes I have forgotten to catalogue the progress.

    Because this is a Grail kit for me, and there is no news of a Bandai Perfect Grade Destroyer anytime soon, I am taking my sweet time trying to do this kit to the best of my abilities to approximate the things I like from the ILM 8 footer. That means a lot of greeblies and added details are needed which are not on this kit, but I am happy to add. I am not a rivet counter by any means, and approximate is the operative word.

    I've been working on the following sections since May, and I am admittedly slow - but I'm juggling full time work, babysitting grandkids twice a week so I do not have a lot of dedicated time to apply myself to this in solid sets as other might. I did order Niart's shield generator domes and 308 Bits Garbage chute - but the rest of it I decided to carve myself out of styrene and bits and pieces of old, broken AMT/Revell star wars kits I built from years past along with some photo etch brass from an old WWII ship I had laying around.

    Hangar Bays.

    I really wanted these lit as they were depicted in Return of the Jedi - so the added details and carving out the recessed lighting needed to be done. Here is the ILM reference of the model:

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    I have a strip of diffusing clear from an old keypad I will use inside the hangar bay windows, and will light them internally with 2 Pico cool white LEDs over the 'rooms' created inside the bays under an aluminum foil canopy surrounding the inner part of the bays to evenly distribute the light.
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    Aug 17, 2017, 10:09 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #2

    Engine Section:

    Reference of ILM 8 footer:

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    Had to custom cut and create a lot of the shapes and piping in areas to approximate all the kit-bashed parts on the ILM model.

    Wip:

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    That is what I have so far. I just started the trenches and will really spend time to detail those up to approximate the ILM model where I can. I am adding the the trench height by .060 mm because the kit seems too thin compared to the ESB model. This will afford me the ability to greenly the upper trench sections with pieces not on the kit that I can shape to come closer to the filming model.
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    Aug 17, 2017, 10:19 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #3

    Outstanding work with the extra details.

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    Aug 18, 2017, 7:34 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #4

    Amazing work! Can't wait to see more!

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    Aug 18, 2017, 9:38 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #5

    Invar, you are now a Master!
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    Aug 18, 2017, 10:55 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #6

    Great detailing. Raising the trench by 0.060 mm? That would be the thickness of a human hair.

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    Aug 18, 2017, 6:31 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #7

    TazMan2000 said: View Post
    Great detailing. Raising the trench by 0.060 mm? That would be the thickness of a human hair.

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    My bad. The styrene square rods are .060" or 1.5mm. It raises the trench just enough to allow me to add some detailing and approximate the height of the ILM 8 footer a bit better.

    The kit is fantastic but the side trenches are a way too bit thin for the 8 footer filming model I am attempting to approximate a little bit. However, I'm a bit unsure if doing 1.5mm all around is going to leave a troublesome gap when the back engine section goes in. I do recall someone adding height to the trenches but decreased the height of the trench extension from amidships back to the raw kit part at the rear of the ship so there was no gap when the engine section was glued together.
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    Aug 18, 2017, 8:41 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #8

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    Perhaps you can accommodate the gap by adding styrene layering, much like in the above photo?

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    Aug 18, 2017, 8:44 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #9

    Robiwon said: View Post
    Invar, you are now a Master!
    Must agree!
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    Aug 19, 2017, 11:14 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #10

    TazMan2000 said: View Post
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    Perhaps you can accommodate the gap by adding styrene layering, much like in the above photo?

    TazMan2000
    As great as the Zvezda kit is, it is not as accurate in molding to the filming model as we get to enjoy with Bandai kits. I've had to cheat a bit to create some illusions in terms of piping and greeblies where shape sections did not exist, notably on the 4 bulk pylons the 4 smaller engines are inserted. The ILM model shows an entirely different shape and a steep recessed angle that is absent on the Zvezda. I'll obviously add some kind of filler to the gap if there is one. Chances are I will likely carve a steep angle styrene buffer along the top where this sections is glued to the hull if there is a gap due to the side trenches being raised 1.5mm.

    Great pic. Not one I have seen before with that lighting. Was it part of the Identities exhibit?
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    Aug 19, 2017, 12:28 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #11

    INVAR said: View Post
    Great pic. Not one I have seen before with that lighting. Was it part of the Identities exhibit?
    It is from Identities. I'm sure there are tons of pics out there regarding this exhibition, but if you or anyone else would like me to post the photos I took, let me know.

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    Aug 19, 2017, 3:40 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #12

    TazMan2000 said: View Post
    It is from Identities. I'm sure there are tons of pics out there regarding this exhibition, but if you or anyone else would like me to post the photos I took, let me know.

    TazMan2000
    If you had a huge set on oneDrive/Google drive online from the Toronto exhibit - I may have grabbed a few for reference before that set was taken down.
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    Aug 20, 2017, 1:41 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #13

    INVAR said: View Post
    If you had a huge set on oneDrive/Google drive online from the Toronto exhibit - I may have grabbed a few for reference before that set was taken down.
    It was the Edmonton one, so basically the same models I'm sure. I have a good back end shot that shows the angles and some close in shots of the rear detailing.

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    Sep 1, 2017, 11:22 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #14

    INVAR said: View Post
    Engine Section:

    Had to custom cut and create a lot of the shapes and piping in areas to approximate all the kit-bashed parts on the ILM model.
    What did you use for the piping? Did you modify something from an existing kit or did you create something from scratch?
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    Sep 1, 2017, 3:25 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #15

    Guns Akimbo said: View Post
    What did you use for the piping? Did you modify something from an existing kit or did you create something from scratch?
    All from scratch. I just looked at the ILM 8 footer and approximated a bit of the shapes and then heated and bent the styrene rods into the shapes I wanted. Carved up some styrene planks and scrap to create shapes that were glued together and then affixed to the model. The scale is too small for anything greater than a 1/1200 battleship for parts or some 1/700 photo etch. Looking at the rest of the reference model shots, I will likely need to continue to custom carve and create shapes for the trenches and the cake layers as well. I did carve up my old busted AMT B-wing model that has been ruined in several moves for some cool looking shape sections with greeblies in the piping sections of the engine wells.

    Right now I am re-engineering the trench height and carving out the bottom inner side walls and creating 1.5 MM square lifters that the top walls of the upper hull will sit on to add 1.5MM in height around the sides. Also adding some scrap styrene guides that should keep the top hull in a tight proper proper position without sliding once it is glued and clamped once the fiber optics are set.

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    Started drilling .030 holes in the forward side trench pieces of the kit for fiber. Will attach those to the bottom hull sides once all the holes are drilled. Then I will greeblie-up the trenches in the new space I will have on the top inner hull wall that will afford all kinds of shapes to be glued to it.
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    Dec 6, 2017, 11:34 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #16

    Updates on the customized greeblies for the trenches pics. Still have a lot of work to do yet. I'm a very slow builder because this is my grail kit as I get more build pics stacked up - I'll post updates as I finish sections and tasks. But, holes drilled for .25 fiber along the way.

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    Dec 6, 2017, 12:04 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #17

    That is seriously outstanding work sir. Hat's off to you!

    As for me, I'm still working on mine. Hyper-detailed the hanger and am currently collecting misc. greeblies so I can try my hand at recasting them in resin for multiple uses. I will update my thread soon.

    PS: Don't know if you do the FB thing but there is a Zvezda/Revell ISD builder's group over there as well.
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    Dec 6, 2017, 12:07 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #18

    A triumph of the human spirit!

    I love what you are doing with this.
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    Dec 6, 2017, 12:39 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #19

    Guns Akimbo said: View Post
    That is seriously outstanding work sir. Hat's off to you!

    As for me, I'm still working on mine. Hyper-detailed the hanger and am currently collecting misc. greeblies so I can try my hand at recasting them in resin for multiple uses. I will update my thread soon.
    My inspiration is from this ILM promo shot that I have loved ever since I laid eyes on it in 1980:

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    Guns Akimbo said: View Post
    PS: Don't know if you do the FB thing but there is a Zvezda/Revell ISD builder's group over there as well.
    Yes, I have been there.
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    Dec 6, 2017, 2:02 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #20

    Your first post here mentions "feeble attempt"...anything but feeble. I thought I was a decently talented modeler, far better than any of my friends growing up, and more so of an adult friend who still models on occasion...but I'll say right here and now, my skills pale to white next to yours. I have much to learn yet, and love seeing what you're doing.

    ..."feeble" huh... whatever
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    Dec 6, 2017, 4:59 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #21

    gt350pony66 said: View Post
    Your first post here mentions "feeble attempt"...anything but feeble.
    That's nice of you to say, however I have seen the work of Masters here for some time, including the stuff Robert/Robiwon had done and had taken to shows, so I know my place among such talent. A man's got to know his limitations. The greeblie stuff is where I tend to do well (and have since I built Vaders TIE in 1977), it is the lighting and the painting where I am truly going to struggle.

    But among the Modelers here, I have found a great source of inspiration. Robiwon's encouragement got me to attempt lighting on my first kit (Revell 1/29 X-wing) which I finished just when the Zvezda was released so I am going from a lightweight larger scale 1/29 scale model to a 1/2700 with full-on lighting over 1000 drilled holes and 500 feet of FO, including a remote kit that Robert recommended.

    I'm taking my time on this kit, because I want to get it right and since there has been no word of Bandai doing a PG Avenger anytime soon - and for the money and time I've already put into this one - this kit will likely be my pinnacle of model building.

    Until I try to scratch build a Death Star II.
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    Dec 7, 2017, 12:36 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #22

    I'm right there with you on paint and lighting my friend. Until an MPC falcon a year and a half ago, everything I built looked like a new item. I knew nothing of weathering, rust effects, washes, nodda. I picked up most of all that from these guys as well, also Randy Cooper Youtube vids. I also learned a lot from Bob Martin when doing a 31" Disney Nautilus which just arrived at it's new home in Austria...I got another one for myself though Martin mostly does submarines, many R/C, but that guy has the weathering stuff down pat. Lighting, I'm still taking baby steps but improving with each build. LED's FO and all that are relatively new in my modeling efforts. Back in the late 80's when I was 23 or so, I built an NCC-1701-D, drilled out windows and glued styrene sheet across the openings and installed shortened Xmas light strands. At the time I was satisfied with my ingenuity but looking back I also got the suggestion from Robiwon on the remotes, my first stab at that will be on this ISD. At 54 yrs old, I have ALOT more patience for doing things right than when I was younger and so glad I rediscovered modeling, but now it's a whole lot more than just a kit, glue and paint
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    That's nice of you to say, however I have seen the work of Masters here for some time, including the stuff Robert/Robiwon had done and had taken to shows, so I know my place among such talent. A man's got to know his limitations. The greeblie stuff is where I tend to do well (and have since I built Vaders TIE in 1977), it is the lighting and the painting where I am truly going to struggle.

    But among the Modelers here, I have found a great source of inspiration. Robiwon's encouragement got me to attempt lighting on my first kit (Revell 1/29 X-wing) which I finished just when the Zvezda was released so I am going from a lightweight larger scale 1/29 scale model to a 1/2700 with full-on lighting over 1000 drilled holes and 500 feet of FO, including a remote kit that Robert recommended.

    I'm taking my time on this kit, because I want to get it right and since there has been no word of Bandai doing a PG Avenger anytime soon - and for the money and time I've already put into this one - this kit will likely be my pinnacle of model building.

    Until I try to scratch build a Death Star II.
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    Dec 8, 2017, 2:28 AM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #23

    WOWWWWWWW.
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    Dec 16, 2017, 1:59 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #24

    Part 2: Trenches, Trenches and Greeblies

    Still working on detailing this kit with greeblies and may be doing so for what seems like an endless eternity. But, I am pleased with how these are turning out - even if I am unable to match the ILM Avenger as perfectly as I really wanted to. I still have to approximate the look of the filming model because of the molding on the Zvezda base kit and due to the scale that prohibits me from getting as accurate as that.

    The latest quick picks are progress shots of the port and starboard forward trenches that I have greeblied. Parts added and holes drilled for fiber in both the existing base plastic as well as all the added styrene sections. Had to also carve out the sides on the upper hull lip where fiber would need to get through to the added pieces, and where I did not have greeblies added over the exposed lip - I drilled fiber holes through the base plastic in the upper hull portion.

    When I finish this forward triangle part of the destroyer, I will separate the top and bottom and glue each to the larger rear hull pieces top and bottom and use Tulip paint to fill any seam issues when those parts are joined. I decided to greebie the small forward section by itself first, mainly because when I began, I was experimenting with how I would detail it after raising the trench height by 1.5MM and then trying to figure out how to detail it after having a lot of empty blank space in the upper trench areas due to that raising. I am glad I did it this way because I inadvertently created a pilot lead groove that helps the top and bottom hull sections slide together in a snug fit without snapping any of the delicate greeblie work I have added. The tolerances are very, very tight and some pipe work that comes up from the bottom hull plugs into areas on the top hull half.

    I am bummed my old iPhone cannot capture decent pics at close enough range to show the detail, but you get the idea.

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    Dec 16, 2017, 5:39 PM - Re: Zvezda Avenger-Class ISD-II - WIP #25

    That is so incredible, I wish I had half your talent...and patience

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