JoMamma_Smurf
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Wonder Woman (Post-release)
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And probably speaks to the fact the film is drawing an audience across both genders equally.
Fawbish
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I also sometimes wonder if the whole "appeals to all quarters" thing, which of course quite often manifests in "strong legs" (hate using that term) for a film, is a weird way to look at things. We are taught (mostly) from birth that you should like what you like, do what you want, don't be part of the crowd if you wanna be different etc. And yet I see the mentality that if a majority likes a thing, that means defacto it's a good thing. Or a better thing. WW is awesome because its awesome. I don't think its awesome because someone else thinks its awesome.
Everyone's different, and I know there are general trends and correlations of course, but just pondering the whole idea. This isn't a criticism or a judgement of anything.
Solo4114
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I think you're talking about two different things.
One is the intrinsic quality of the film. Is it good? Bad? Entertaining?
The other is the financial success of the film.
Wonder Woman is an interesting case, in that it was a much-hyped film that had a lot riding on it in terms of financial performance. If the film had tanked, studios would point to that as justification for why they shouldn't make superhero films that star female superheroes. The theory being something along the lines of "Women don't want to go to superhero films" or at least "Not enough women want to see a female superhero film."
Instead, studios now have proof that a female superhero film is not a guaranteed failure at the box office.
Of course, they'll still need to figure out what else worked in this film, and may well learn the wrong lessons from it, or learn some right lessons and some wrong ones.
But this and several other films in recent years have put the lie to the notion that female-led genre films can't be moneymakers.
Axlotl
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Usually "appeals to all quarters" means that the movie (book, song, etc...) has a theme firmly rooted in human condition.
Human condition is universal, so everyone can relate to the chosen theme, regardless of sex, race, religion, or social standing.
Wonder Woman's theme is the horror, tragedy, and futility of war.
Something everyone in the world can relate to right now.
We all wish someone had the power to just make it stop so we can live in peace.
What I love so much about the Wonder Woman movie (among most everything else) is it's message - which is subtle, but super heavy:
Wonder Woman can't stop this. She can't save us. It's up to us.
It reminds me of the Flaming Lips song, Waiting for Superman.
"Tell everybody waiting for Superman
That they should try to hold on the best they can.
He hasn't dropped them, forgot them, or anything...
It's just too heavy for Superman to lift."
B-Movie Zombie
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Saw it Yesterday. I thought it was Great! The only nit-pick I have is with the score, to me it sounded to much like the "300" score.
Watched it today and I absolutely loved it! That fight scene on the beach, dang... That was a piece of art!
Crossover fic where Wonder Woman takes place in WWII: Diana and Steve team up with Cap and Peggy to take on an Ares empowered HYDRA:
"Steve...don't get on that plane."
"Hey, both of our names are Steve. We're hot blonde guys whose real names are Chris. We fall in love with the pretty brunette who's from another culture and way out of our league and have said brunette reciprocate said feelings, and then we get on our respective Planes of Doom to save innocent lives. It's kinda what we do."
"Steve...don't get on that plane."
"Hey, both of our names are Steve. We're hot blonde guys whose real names are Chris. We fall in love with the pretty brunette who's from another culture and way out of our league and have said brunette reciprocate said feelings, and then we get on our respective Planes of Doom to save innocent lives. It's kinda what we do."
firesprite
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I paid for my sister-in-law to take my two nieces (17 and 13) and my nephew (9) to see the movie. My SIL is more of a chick flick and musicals kind of gal, but she really enjoyed it (though she was apparently upset that Steve didn't make it). The kids enjoyed it, though my little guy got bored during the mushy parts and my tenderhearted sweetheart of 13 years old was scared of some of the fight scenes, but my 17-year-old mini-me was enraptured. Like many other women (myself included), she cried during many of the fight scenes because they spoke to us at such a profound, visceral level.
Best $45 bucks I've ever spent. :love
Best $45 bucks I've ever spent. :love
Not just women. I know of many a guy who cried at the fight scenes, and I am not ashamed to admit that I was one of them.
For all the audiophiles out there...
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Axlotl
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Love the song. Tina Guo is undoubtedly talented. Not too keen on her image because it seems like she's trying to appeal to base male instincts like many artists today instead of letting her talent speak for itself.
Seriously, the first time I googled her name and switched to the images option, I thought I stumbled upon a porn star or erotic model by mistake.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm tired of musicians trying to sell an image instead their music.
Snikt
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You have to. Nobody pays for just music anymore, you have to make yourself have a brand, unless youre one of the old bands that can still sell records AND have blockbuster tours. If youre an attractive woman AND talented then why not use both? Everyone loves pretty girls.
There is nothing wrong with being sexy and flaunting it. However, if a person is talented, but using sex appeal to take center stage while the talent they have is taking a back seat, that is wrong.
When it's right, it should be "hey, I have a talent at singing/playing an instrument/songwriting, and I happen to look good in skimpy clothing."
Instead we get "Oh look at my amazing body. I look fantastic in skimpy clothing and I am oh, so pretty. Oh, I also play a little music from time to time."
That was an anomaly. It doesn't change the fact that she seems to marketing her sexiness over her music, which is sad because she's a talented musician.
Then again, Lindsey Stirling is an extremely talented musician who doesn't market her body, but focuses on the music aspect (and frankly amazing music videos), and she isn't well known to the masses.
So really what is needed is a balanced approach to the whole thing. If you can be sexy, be sexy, but don't let that overshadow your true talent.
Axlotl
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I say "to each their own".
If Tina wants to be sexy, let her be sexy.
If Lindsey doesn't want to be sexy, she doesn't have to be.
Freedom of expression, man.
You can't take that away from people.
Well, you can, but then you're Kim Jong Un.
Well yeah, that's kinda my point. I'm not saying that someone should be something they're not. What I am saying is that if you enter the industry as a recording artist, your musical abilities should not take a back seat to your non-industry talents. If you want to be sexy, then be sexy. If you don't, then don't. However, you must be cautious that your primary job is not affected.
So basically, go for it, but remember why you are truly there. Freedom of expression must be tempered by the wisdom to keep your career on track, otherwise you just wind up like every other celebrity who is only famous for being famous.
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