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    Apr 24, 2017, 8:42 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #26

    Psab keel said: View Post
    That being said, from what I recall Lucas instructed the actors using the lightsaber props in the original trilogy to "work with them as if they were heavy, because of all of the energy being swung around. When they crashed together they would make these big explosions." It's in the Birth of the Lightsaber mini documentary of the 2004 DVD Release of the trilogy. It was merely a direction from Lucas to up the drama in the fight scenes.
    I think I remember Lucas saying that he wanted the actors to use both both hands, while they held the lit lightsaber, because the energy being emitted would make it feel like holding a spinning bicycle wheel. It would feel like it wanted to spin out of your hands, while lit.
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    So, it wasn't because they were "heavy", that you needed two hands to hold them. You needed two hands to keep control of them.
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    Apr 24, 2017, 9:33 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #27

    Somebody should have reminded George he said that before twirlyfest 1999.
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    Apr 24, 2017, 12:13 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #28

    Wait, @SethS you were at Twirly Fest 1999 too! That's incredible!!! Did you see the St. Pauli Girl that the German delegation brought to distract the other competitors? She was smokin' hot! And it totally worked, I scorched my right bicep and let go for a second, damn thing nearly took my right thumb off! At least she came over to the disqualified box and kissed me on the cheek after the paramedic was through stitching me up.

    O.K., so it's Mark Hamill in 'Star Wars Featurette: The Birth of the Lightsaber' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIefj6dOhnM at 3:33 saying...

    "George was adament that these things were really, really heavy. That we couldn't take a hand off. We always had to have two it was like Excalibur. Ffffforty or fifty pounds of weight."

    Followed by...

    3:43 George Lucas "They were very powerful. They had a lot of energy in them. And so that was you, ya know, you worked with them as if they were heavy. So that because when these crashed together they, ya know made these big explosions and all kind of things."

    So, we're all right... from a certain point of view. Even if we are duped by Hollywood make-believe.

    My You-Tube-Fu is a little weak today, I know there's another interview with George from the late 70's/80's (because he was thinner and it was lo-res video) where he mentions broadswords, I'll remember what it was in or find it eventually. It's not important, I just want to remember where I saw it.

    I did find this though which is super funny...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7aAXmvqRkg

    And I've got to get one of these at 7:09...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fozZWSHJdyM
    And HOLY CRAPPOLA!!! at 7:54 - "Rubberized Chrome Version" of a GRAFLEX!!! <---Who's doing one of those??? IT CREAKS AND EVERYTHING!!!
    George at 8:14 "All I have to do is get rid of this one somehow." <---What lightsaber is he talking about???
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    Apr 24, 2017, 1:14 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #29

    By "get rid of" I think he means making sure Anakin loses it and Obi-Wan takes it.

    It always cracks me up (in that gut wrenching chilkdhood ruining way) to hear Lucas say that the PT duels had to be bigger and crazier cause in the OT we only saw a half-droid, an old man, and a kid use lightsabers.

    And yet...

    Grevious
    Yoda
    Dooku...
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    Apr 24, 2017, 4:22 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #30

    SethS said: View Post
    By "get rid of" I think he means making sure Anakin loses it and Obi-Wan takes it.
    I don't know, judging by his body position as he moves to his left, then lowers his arm to point, I think he's pointing at what appears to be the Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan lightsaber in between the Darth Vader and the Sir Alec Guiness Obi-Wan Lightsabers.

    What bothers me is that George, Mr.Star Wars, Lucas seems to almost be asking which "laser sword" is which. If he's the one that changed 'laser sword' to 'lightsaber', why does he continue to use 'laser sword' when talking about lightsabers?????? AND WHY IS HE NOT CERTAIN WHICH SABER IS WHICH???!!!

    I don't think you have reimagine your childhood in a bad light due to "bigger and crazier" lightsaber battles in the prequels. Think how wide yours eyes got, nay, GET to this day everytime you see Luke ignite the GRAFLEX in Obi-Wan's livingroom. Think how you twist and lean in your chair or on the couch and jerk your arms with your Airsaber in concert with Luke as he's about to get shot in the butt by the Jedi practice ball. Think how much emotion there was in Luke as he battled Darth Vader in the cave on Dagobah. Or the frustration as he battled Darth Vader in Cloud City, lost his hand and then the EPIC reveal that Vader was Luke's father. Think how surprised you were when Luke ignited his green lightsaber for the first time. Think how wildly Luke swung his lightsaber against Vader in the Emporer's throne room on the Death Star. That is the stuff of LEGEND my friend.

    Sure, there's a lot of really impressive swordplay in the prequels, but a lot of it is rather flambouyant fancy twirling. At least with me, it doesn't evoke the same spirit and emotion that Luke and his 40-50 lb lightsaber flailing about does.

    Now, that being said, Ewan McGregor vs Hayden Christensen in Revenge of the Sith... that was pretty bitchin'! Even the rehearsal footage is pretty spectacular!

    And don't forget, Yoda was only 870 years old or so in the prequels!
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    Apr 24, 2017, 4:25 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #31

    Lightsaber was probably coined by the ANH script polishers (or rewriters depending on who you ask). Lucas has always called them laser swords and has to be educated by his own prop team on which belonged to who.
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    Apr 24, 2017, 9:10 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #32

    Well, to be fair, it isn't that much of a stretch that whilst writing the script for STAR WARS, that rather than just call a "laser-sword" just that, he took out a thesaurus and used synonyms to make it "spacier". Laser -> Light, Sword -> Saber (or Sabre). Let's call a spade a spade: it is the typical, camp laser sword and blasters are your typical, camp laser guns.

    Much of what we now appreciate from the first film was really brought on by budgetary constraints and ask anyone who worked on it 40 years ago, only a very few thought it was something special, and even less could fathom that the film would become a world phenom like it is today. Let's give some leeway here.
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    Apr 24, 2017, 10:38 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #33

    PoopaPapaPalps said: View Post
    it is the typical, camp laser sword and blasters are your typical, camp laser guns.
    DANG! What camp did you go to Poopa? All they had at the camp I went to as a kid was a crappy lake! I feel gyped!!!
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    Apr 25, 2017, 11:22 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #34

    thd9791 said: View Post
    ...Luke also had a separate bladed prop. None of the flash units were ever converted to motor set-ups as far as we can tell. they had the plain pipe with T track and a clamp for that.
    check out scott juarez's photo
    Attachment 723579
    So, if "none of the flash units were ever converted to motor set-ups", why are there wires hanging out of Hamill's sleeve that are connected to the lightsaber prop, and what are they providing power for? I ask only because I've always read that for each of the lightsaber props (Luke's, Kenobi's, and Vader's) there was at least one motorized version that would spin the blade in order to get the "flickering" effect.
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    Apr 25, 2017, 11:31 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #35

    That's not a Graflex. It's a tube cut to resemble one. No ports/pins.
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    Apr 25, 2017, 11:33 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #36

    Zombie_61 said: View Post
    So, if "none of the flash units were ever converted to motor set-ups", why are there wires hanging out of Hamill's sleeve that are connected to the lightsaber prop, and what are they providing power for? I ask only because I've always read that for each of the lightsaber props (Luke's, Kenobi's, and Vader's) there was at least one motorized version that would spin the blade in order to get the "flickering" effect.
    that IS the motorized stunt

    it does the trick, if you thought it was the same prop
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    Apr 25, 2017, 11:33 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #37

    Thomas Guycott said: View Post
    This reminds me, can anyone recommend or suggest a good alternative to actual batteries for a to sit on a shelf/hang on a belt? I've always wondered how much a lightsaber is "supposed to" weigh and would like to represent that once I finally get around to acquiring one.
    Find a wooden dowel, drill a hole down the middle and fill it nickels penny's what ever ya feel like

    That will add some weight to it


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    Apr 25, 2017, 11:49 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #38

    Zombie_61 said: View Post
    So, if "none of the flash units were ever converted to motor set-ups", why are there wires hanging out of Hamill's sleeve that are connected to the lightsaber prop, and what are they providing power for? I ask only because I've always read that for each of the lightsaber props (Luke's, Kenobi's, and Vader's) there was at least one motorized version that would spin the blade in order to get the "flickering" effect.
    Here you go, thanks to @scottjua for the image



    So that's a custom cut tube, a graflex clamp that might be missing a bar, bubbles, t-track, no ports/pins, no shoulder pulls, no bunny ears. What might be a glass eye on one side, and an early Folmer button with a knurled band on the opposite side.

    And battery wires, obviously.
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    Apr 25, 2017, 1:25 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #39











    And yes I'm aware some pictures may come from an ESB set, yet it's still the same stunt lightsaber as in ANH that's been used by Luke

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    Apr 25, 2017, 1:54 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #40

    SethS said: View Post
    That's not a Graflex. It's a tube cut to resemble one. No ports/pins.
    thd9791 said: View Post
    that IS the motorized stunt. it does the trick, if you thought it was the same prop
    SethS said: View Post
    ...So that's a custom cut tube, a graflex clamp that might be missing a bar, bubbles, t-track, no ports/pins, no shoulder pulls, no bunny ears. What might be a glass eye on one side, and an early Folmer button with a knurled band on the opposite side.

    And battery wires, obviously.
    Thank you for clearing that up for me. I hadn't noticed the differences before, so I guess the stunt version did it's job well enough to fool me.
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    Apr 25, 2017, 7:30 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #41

    Chaim that second picture is amazing, I haven't seen much of the stunt from the front before
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    Apr 25, 2017, 8:40 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #42

    thd9791 said: View Post
    Chaim that second picture is amazing, I haven't seen much of the stunt from the front before
    chaim is the man when it comes to pictures! he's got everything!!
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    Apr 26, 2017, 5:44 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #43











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    Apr 26, 2017, 9:59 AM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #44

    Great pics!
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    Apr 26, 2017, 12:23 PM - Re: Did Luke's Graflex Lightsabers Have Batteries While filming? #45

    Wow, thanks everybody for the great answers, I thought I was going to get laughed out of here with a question like that!

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