Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Post-release)

If you watch the trailers again, most all the footage from them is gone, like the tie popping up. Half of the shots show her running on the beach with the harddrive with the plans, which in the final movie, never even leaves the building.
 
There is a difference between FORCE SENSITIVE and FORCE USER. Force sensitive means they may be aware of the force, may be able see things through the force but CAN'T bend it to their will purposely.

I saw it 3 times and I liked it the first but I felt it got better with every viewing.
 
I saw this on opening night (seven out of eight on opening night now) and I thought it was great. I like it better than TFA which I did enjoy. Rogue One felt more like Star Wars than TFA and just had that "vintage" feel down pat. Sure it wasn't perfect, the music was weak at times, Leia looked like she was having an allergic reaction and her face was puffing up and Jar Jar didn't make a cameo and get blown into a trillion pieces but for the most part I thought it was really well done.
 
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Well, **Chirrut** thought he was! :) He said something like "the Force reveals a darkness around someone who's about to kill". So however he sensed it, HE thought it was through the Force.
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I didn't mean to suggest that Chirrut was delusional or fooling himself. There seems to be a disconnect between the advance promotional material and the dialogue of the film re: Chirrut.

Everything I read ahead of time gave me (what I thought was) a pretty clear impression that there were no Jedi - more specifically, no Force-users in this film (except Vader, of course). That all these characters were (for lack of a better phrase) "ordinary folk", and we were seeing the war through that non-Force-user lens. And unless the Databank is playing cagey with their wording, when they say Chirrut "has no Force abilities" - period - then I am left thinking that he's not Force-sensitive, but rather a fervent devotee of the Force.

But then his quote from Eadu seems to contradict that.

So I see four possibilities:

1.) He is Force-sensitive, with the ability to sense the Force but just cannot use it. If so, odd that the databank would leave that latter part out.
2.) He is FS and could have used the Force, but was never picked up by the Jedi as a child and trained.
3.) He is FS and does use the Force through his fighting skills.
4.) He is not FS, and just a fervent Force devotee who also happened to hone his other senses (without a Force-assist) to compensate for his blindness, á la the martial art movie archetype. And maybe he can't sense the Force directly, but has learned to pick up cues from his environment when the Force is or has been "in action" nearby. Like, he can sense everything interacting with the Force, like water reacts when a ship moves through it. Even though Chirrut can't see the ship, he can tell its size, length, speed, etc. by the wake it leaves in the water.

I am cool with any of the above, but I am guessing that the canon answer is #4.
 
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Snikt said:
I find this outlook very curious, because Im the opposite. Aside from seeing how some of the creatures are made, and the end with Darth Vader, I wouldnt really care to see this again. I didnt find the acting all the great, hell, I thought the russian spy dude acted better then Jyn, she kind of just had a stoic look on her face the whole time. I dont know, since I already knew the outcome of the story, the journey wasnt all that impressive to me. *shrug* I liked TFA awakens way more. Seemed more exciting to me.

As you can tell, I dont know how to do multiple quotes in one post. :$
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ha... definitely eye to eye on this one!
 
1. The 3PO/R2 cameo would have been a lot smoother if they had been shown on the Tantive. Doing it on Yavin complicates the timeline a bit, but eh..

2. Were the Death Troopers droids? They talked a lot, but I couldnt understand a single word that any of them said.

3. I watched ANH right after this and I'm not sure if anyone else felt this way, but it kind of made a few seens now feel akward that didnt before.

Knowing that all these people did SO MUCH to get those plans, its almost painful to watch R2 just sitting around INSIDE the Death Star waiting around to get captured, and then in the end Luke and Han getting the credit for everything those people did. It just felt odd going through it all without any recognition of what Rogue One did. Though obviously we know why.

4. On that same note, they sure pass off the DS plans quite a lot over the course of the 2 films. The first transmission up to the large Alliance ship, didnt they retain the plans after making the card that was passed to Leia? Was the rest of the Alliance sitting around through the events of ANH going "Ok we just attacked Scarif and we know the plans got up, where the hell are they?" It just seems like a lot of running around when they were in the hands they needed to be after the first transmission.

5. There was such a HUGE presence of the Alliance when they showed up on Scarif because they knew what was at stake. This makes the final scenes in ANH feel underwhelming now. Where was that fleet on the final Death Star attack? That whole room of Alliance dignitaries and generals before Rogue One took on the mission, why the hell werent they on Yavin for the final showdown? It almost seemed odd now at the End Game that Leia and 4 other old guys are the only ones overseeing the attack on the Death Star that ALL OF THIS lead up to.

6. Rhino Tank Troopers driving the Land Walkers? So are AT-AT drivers more specialized because it was on Hoth?
 
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I think a lot of people are losing sight of the importance of Chirrut's character and his impact on the group. The Jedi still allow those with low force sensitivity to serve for the greater good. There's actually a separate "department" of the Jedi called the Service Corps. In the case of Chirrut and Baze, they were both Temple Guards on Jedha, in fact Chirrut actually makes the statement early on that Baze was one of their best or (most devoted) Temple Guards. They both guarded the temple on Jedha, but Baze no longer believed where as Chirrut still did. I would assume Baze lost faith around the time of Order 66 and the Jedi Purge. Chirrut's character was important because he helped bring hope to the group, he was their conscience at times, and in the end he reignited Baze's faith in the force. So basically they are both able to see the force and its impact on all life around them, but they weren't strong enough to actually use the force.


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kalkamel said:
I think he was wearing his standard white, but he had an off-white poncho like outfit over it that partially covered his front and also acted as a cape at the back. It was made from waterproof canvas looks like.

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If you look at his uniform in the beginning scene you will see he only had one Rank Bar whereas later in the movie he has two Rank Bars, that is solely because he was able to get Galen Erso back working on the Death Star. I normally wouldn't say that a prequel book would have much impact on the movie, but in this case Catalyst does. If you read the book you'll know that Krennicks rise to power was solely based on Galen Erso and getting him to work on the Death Star.


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squirk said:
I didn't mean to suggest that Chirrut was delusional or fooling himself. There seems to be a disconnect between the advance promotional material and the dialogue of the film re: Chirrut.

Everything I read ahead of time gave me (what I thought was) a pretty clear impression that there were no Jedi - more specifically, no Force-users in this film (except Vader, of course). That all these characters were (for lack of a better phrase) "ordinary folk", and we were seeing the war through that non-Force-user lens. And unless the Databank is playing cagey with their wording, when they say Chirrut "has no Force abilities" - period - then I am left thinking that he's not Force-sensitive, but rather a fervent devotee of the Force.

But then his quote from Eadu seems to contradict that.

So I see four possibilities:

1.) He is Force-sensitive, with the ability to sense the Force but just cannot use it. If so, odd that the databank would leave that latter part out.
2.) He is FS and could have used the Force, but was never picked up by the Jedi as a child and trained.
3.) He is FS and does use the Force through his fighting skills.
4.) He is not FS, and just a fervent Force devotee who also happened to hone his other senses (without a Force-assist) to compensate for his blindness, á la the martial art movie archetype. And maybe he can't sense the Force directly, but has learned to pick up cues from his environment when the Force is or has been "in action" nearby. Like, he can sense everything interacting with the Force, like water reacts when a ship moves through it. Even though Chirrut can't see the ship, he can tell its size, length, speed, etc. by the wake it leaves in the water.

I am cool with any of the above, but I am guessing that the canon answer is #4.
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#4 is the same as #1. Because you have to be able to sense the Force to see ripples in it. Like the ship analogy, we have to be able to see or feel or hear the water to detect that wake. If we know water only by reputation, and cannot detect it when it's there, (i.e. not Water Sensitive), then the wake will elude us as well.

I think it's up to viewer interpretation whether the Force was making blaster bolts miss him, or if he was just lucky. But the "when a man is about to kill" thing shows definite Force sensitivity, IMO.
 
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One thing I found odd was the fact that he needed Deathtroopers escort INSIDE an Imperial ship, to see Tarkin nonetheless.
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He didn't "need" them per se, he wanted them. In Catalyst it's explained that having your own squadron of troopers (Whether is Stormtroopers, Clonetroopers, or Deathtroopers) following you around, is a status symbol. In Catalyst, Krennick was a lower rank, and often times had to "borrow" a squadron, to which Tarkin even pointed out on occasion as a dig to Krennick. So once he got his higher rank and some troopers of his own, he made sure they were with him at all times, as a status symbol. It's the same reason he asks Darth Vader "so I'm still in command then?"


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astroboy said:
What was Vader's rank in the OT?

He was a general in the clone wars. Was he demoted?

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He doesn't really have a rank, as explained in the Darth Vader comics. (cannon) He only answers to Palpatine, outside of that he pretty much has free reign.


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Regarding the small rebel continent from Yavin 4 left to attack the Death Star in SW77, as compared to that in R1, it would seem pretty obvious that the rebels decentralized, hedging against a likely defeat in the upcoming battle. Yes?
 
Movie was awesome, with a few unimportant nitpicks. It needed an opening crawl. It needed to borrow the original 77 Williams score more than it did. Plus, wouldn't it have been cooler if Bail Organna's last line were, "I must leave for Alderaan to inform them that peace with the empire is unlikely. Come, Jar-Jar, we must make haste!"
 
I really enjoyed Rogue One.

A few thoughts on things being discussed:

I like to see Chirrut as a being force sensitive but with no training. He would have been a kid or maybe a baby (not 100% sure) around the fall of the Jedi. If the Jedi were never destroyed this guy would have been selected and trained as a Jedi. In Rogue One his character shows us what the "denied" force sensitives end up as, atrophied like a lot of the locations and set dressing in the movie as well the rebellion itself.

I reckon Krennic always had in mind the possibility of his death troopers being used against imperial forces rival to his own. It's some third reich stuff right there. With that in mind, I imagined his squad's garbled comms where in fact encrypted and separate from the other imperial forces.

The Tie strikers would never have been intended to leave scarif, given the planetary shield etc. I think their wings are optimised for ground strafing, as the pilot's vision wouldn't be blocked by wing sections. Also if they are still solar panels, on a planet the sun is always coming from above.

I don't remember any original tie fighters being visible in the scarif atmospheric dogfights. The tie that came to meet Jyn in the trailer was an ordinary sort that could have been from the space battle above. I reckon it was meant to be her escape vehicle at some point before being changed.

I really enjoyed the layered and used future looking urban sets in this film, I was left a little bit disappointed at episode 7 as most of it happened on more countryside planets. Blank sand, blank forest, blank snow etc. The trading post in the asteroids at the start of Rogue One is what I want more of for sure.
 
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