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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 1:30 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2526

    They probably removed the entire round platform...
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 1:36 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2527

    Toadmeister said: View Post
    Thinking about building the DS docking bay as part of a diorama. Any good photo refrences?
    The whole bay or the partial bay ILM built?

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    Poakwoods said: View Post
    They probably removed the entire round platform...
    No, the round platform was there. I just need to know whether the pole went through the gunport window or was gunport adjacent.
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 1:36 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2528

    JoeCS said: View Post
    The Tantive IV will also have scotchlite, because the five foot falcon was built and tested with front projection before ILM switched over to bluescreen, which means the first draft of the falcon (Tantive IV) would also probably have it, unless Lucas told ILM to redesign the falcon before they could even prepare the model for front projection shots.



    Yeah, to put scotchlite on the Bandai falcon would be to make an obscure reference to an abandoned style of visual effects that to my knowledge never shows up on the film (at least with the falcon). For 99.9999% of people, I think leaving the scotchlite off is fine. Besides, the only time you would ever see it is if you photographed your model using the camera's on board flash, which I think is the worst way to photograph a model.



    Definitely, when I think of visual effects before Star Wars, the only substantial thing that comes to mind is 2001, so ILM was probably following in their footsteps. Had the front projection been successful, I think we would have had a very different (and probably lower quality) Star Wars.
    ILM did consider front projection for the model shots, but this was abandoned very early in favor of bluescreen. There are some test shots in the studio scale section of a TIE fighter with front projected backgrounds. (There were also plans to use front projection for the cockpit shots but early tests of this were also disappointing, and would require ILM to provide completed shots to use as projection plates which they were not up to speed to deliver.) This process would make use of a Scotchlite screen behind the model and would not require reflective pieces on the model, this would be detrimental in that the Scotchlite on the model would reflect portions of the projected background. The Scotchlite was most likely used on the Falcon to represent intentional detail of some kind.
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 1:50 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2529

    Hunk a Junk said: View Post
    Do we know with certainty that the pole mounted through the middle of the gunport window? A Joe Johnston drawing in the Star Wars Sketchbook suggests the mount was hidden underneath the quad cannon support piece, but was that how it is on the final model?
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    Any help or photographic evidence would be appreciated!
    In this photo seems that the gunport hole is not round but enlarged, so maybe the pole mounting point could be where indicated in the Joe Johnston drawing.

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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 2:05 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2530

    The pole can be seen dead center in these shots, the angular piece the gun support connects to was the cover.
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 2:10 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2531

    Poakwoods said: View Post
    In this photo seems that the gunport hole is not round but enlarged, so maybe the pole mounting point could be where indicated in the Joe Johnston drawing.

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    A-HA! Man, I've looked at that photo and never noticed where the plastic has been carved away under the gun mount. Thanks for pointing that out! If the mount is off-set, it would allow room for a crewmember to get a hand in there to attach power lines or make adjustments (though this photo looks more like a joking around prostate test).

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    robn1 said: View Post
    The pole can be seen dead center in these shots, the angular piece the gun support connects to was the cover.
    You are right, sir! The mount is dead center right in that carved away section Peakwoods pointed out. These photos help a ton!
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 3:59 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2532

    The mounting point is under where the gun base is, and not in the middle of the window. You'll notice in some of the pics that it is in that spot. It looks kind of like a keyhole with two cutout circles intersecting.

    Hunk a Junk said: View Post
    So, after thinking through how I'm going to mount my Falcon on a base, and thinking about the idea of an ILM-style blue pole, I've come to a decision -- and you are all going to think I'm nuts (more so than you already do ). I want my Falcon to represent the studio miniature as it was shot in 1976-77, including the Scotchlite markers and studio model (JoeCS) cockpit, but I have to decide on a mounting point (I'm not using Bandai's stand). As we all know, the 5-footer had multiple mounting points concealed behind removable panels to allow the model to be shot from a variety of angles.
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    So the question becomes, which mounting point? I'm not going to replicate all the mounting points since that would require a lot of modifications to the model's interior (and Bandai's engineering leaves a lot of 'guts' in the way). I want the mounting point to be the least obtrusive and to allow the engines to be lit. To me, the two most iconic Falcon shots in ANH are when it's entering and exiting the Death Star docking bay. Unfortunately, the two shots show the model using two different mounting points. In the arrival shot, the model is mounted from the rear either in or near the removable engine deck. As in this shot:
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    We know the model used the rear mount because the lower quad cannon is visible:
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    They likely used the rear mount because 1) the Falcon had to be seen entering into the bay and 2) the engines wouldn't be seen. In the other iconic shot, the Death Star escape, however, the engines ARE lit because the Falcon does it's 180 spin. So for this shot the model was mounted through the bottom gunport. We can see the lower quad cannon missing:
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    Since I want the engines lit, this means I'm basically attempting to replicate the model as it appears in this one specific shot! And I'm okay with that. In fact, I'm toying with the idea of building the hangar bay rectangular light ring as part of the display! This means, of course, that I won't include the lower quad cannon, which I know seems like heresy. Forgive me. So, does anyone have a decent shot of exactly how the pole goes into the ship? I have a good shot of the mount area on the upper gunport, but should I assume the lower gunpoint had an identical configuration?
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    Do we know with certainty that the pole mounted through the middle of the gunport window? A Joe Johnston drawing in the Star Wars Sketchbook suggests the mount was hidden underneath the quad cannon support piece, but was that how it is on the final model?
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    Any help or photographic evidence would be appreciated!
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 4:06 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2533

    Hunk a Junk said: View Post
    The whole bay or the partial bay ILM built?

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    No, the round platform was there. I just need to know whether the pole went through the gunport window or was gunport adjacent.
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    More likely partial.

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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 4:15 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2534

    Hunk a Junk said: View Post
    You are right, sir! The mount is dead center right in that carved away section Peakwoods pointed out. These photos help a ton!
    I know you probably don't want any compromises, but a very convenient mounting point can be made through the center of the gun bay windows. It would even allow for the gun bay interior to remain in the model for mounting from the top.
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 4:22 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2535

    Lab said: View Post
    I have added a mount to replace the kit stand.
    I did some measurements and 3D-printed this in nylon...

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    ... in which a long-nut was inserted, and simply glued to the lower hull like this:

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    I have sacrificed the lower gunport interior, but not the window frame (The turret may be placed if the mounting rod is unscrewed).

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    I know that I could have used a less bulkier mount if it were just for static display purpose, but I wanted something reliable to go through the building and painting process.
    The grip head shall be replaced with a much lighter stand when the model is finished.

    Once you start assembling this kit, you realize that you need to think of ways to securely hold the body upside-down while you paint the underside.
    I have designed the mount so that the rod can be screwed both ways, until the upper gunbay interior is glued for good.

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    The temporary grip head enables the body to be held in desired angles during the assembly and the painting.

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    Thought I would bump up this post again as it is pertinent to the discussion around custom mounting. I'm going to do this same exact mounting method, except I'm just going to cut my piece out of wood rather than 3d printing.
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 5:26 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2536

    Chronicles image



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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 5:34 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2537

    JoeCS said: View Post
    Thought I would bump up this post again as it is pertinent to the discussion around custom mounting. I'm going to do this same exact mounting method, except I'm just going to cut my piece out of wood rather than 3d printing.
    I did the same. Copied Lab's idea but cast a solid piece of resin around a hex coupler. It works great! I can angle on my stand any way I like and can easily put the bottom gun on.

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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 5:46 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2538

    As Much as I love this kit, and I do! the A New Hope Cockpit would be(next to the actual 5' Miniatures) The best addition to the kit...Here is Rogue Studios 5' Falcon's Cockpit with the New Hope interior...Awesome.

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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 7:02 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2539

    what is this cockpit?!? any word on the brass etched back wall update?!?
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    4 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 7:26 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2540

    Itís Rouge Studios Amazing 5í Falcon recreation.
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 10:21 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2541

    oh good lord. it’s incredible!! thanks for the reply
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 10:52 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2542

    in other news... just made this one!! it’s a 1/12 paper model!!
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 7, 2017, 11:15 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2543

    Somehow I knew you'd come though! I just knew it! That's a great image, Jaitea! That's what I'll be aiming for. I'm hellbent on stupid authenticity!
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 4:49 AM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2544

    This Picture reveals also a nice detail about the earlier mentioned wider gap between the disc and the mandibles - the right side of the disk-plating stretches more forward...Click image for larger version. 

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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 5:34 AM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2545

    Peter H said: View Post
    This Picture reveals also a nice detail about the earlier mentioned wider gap between the disc and the mandibles - the right side of the disk-plating stretches more forward...Click image for larger version. 

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    Please keep in mind that this image was scanned from a book

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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 8:12 AM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2546

    Here's a different shot of the bottom hull (which probably also originated from Jaitea). Even taking into account keystoning in the image, it seems pretty clear the port side plating extends forward farther than that on the starboard side.
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    Hopefully, this won't become a 'mandible argument' where it's going to require someone holding a ruler and calipers to the actual miniature before people are convinced.
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 12:51 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2547

    Can you expert guys recommend a good way to clean this up a little before painting? I washed the large sections before I started but they are kinda covered in fingerprints and grubbiness after building. Would a quick wipe down with something like naptha be a good idea?
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 1:09 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2548

    Peter H said: View Post
    This Picture reveals also a nice detail about the earlier mentioned wider gap between the disc and the mandibles - the right side of the disk-plating stretches more forward...Click image for larger version. 

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    Thanks! I thought something seemed uneven. . . But Bandai was very exact!
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 1:57 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2549

    Murph said: View Post
    Can you expert guys recommend a good way to clean this up a little before painting? I washed the large sections before I started but they are kinda covered in fingerprints and grubbiness after building. Would a quick wipe down with something like naptha be a good idea?
    If there is dust and large particles from construction, I use an empty airbrush to blow any junk off the surface. After that, I wouldn't be too worried, unless you put the thing together while eating Cheetos and licking your fingers. Moisten a lint-free cloth and carefully wipe down any sections you're worried about. Should be fine.
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    3 Days Ago  Dec 8, 2017, 2:00 PM - Re: Bandai 1/72 Millennium Falcon #2550

    Hunk a Junk said: View Post
    Here's a different shot of the bottom hull (which probably also originated from Jaitea). Even taking into account keystoning in the image, it seems pretty clear the port side plating extends forward farther than that on the starboard side.
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    Hopefully, this won't become a 'mandible argument' where it's going to require someone holding a ruler and calipers to the actual miniature before people are convinced.
    I've used rubbing alcohol on past projects of the roughly 80% concentration. Gotta be careful with all those greebles not to break anything off however. Letting the alcohol boil off overnight is better than trying to mop it up and break anything.

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